2. I don't agree that "it is just a matter of whether or not they choose to" - we all have natural limitations but those that are born rich are less limited by their limitations.lowing wrote:
2. ok, so now we are getting somewhere. You will admit then that people that are able bodied have the ability and the programs in place to improve their situation. It is just a matter of wiether or not they choose to. So what if the rich have an advantage, is their any chance that they might have worked to become rich? Isn't a comfortable life and financial freedom the goal of most of us? They got theirs, it is up to us to get ours. THe rich are the ones providing the jobs so the rest of us can improve our lives.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
2. That's not what I'm saying - of course the poor can lift themselves out of poverty, but the rich of any country start with a huge advantage over the poor - they can afford the best education and the best of everything - the poor don't have that priveledge and so have to work far far harder to make anything of their lives.lowing wrote:
2. SO I guess EVERYONE who is born poor and makes something of themselves is nothing more than lucky, hard work, dedication, ambition have nothing to with it. There are a ton of govt. programs set up to help people who want it. Problem is, you have to some work for yourself as well to achieve.
3. They were British in the literal sense, their loyalties were however anything but. If I were born in England to American parents then I am hardly British.
4. no , I completely understand what you are saying, and I say, knock yourself out, we will keep our borders up thanks. You are nuts
5. Great call it what you want..........Only fair since my definintion of liberal is socialist/communist. But, I still have the dictionary on my side.
6.Oh so the people locked up explained why they were locked up huh?? Sounds good, can't see any holes in that.
You also might wanna check your history, during WW2 we locked up people for something worse than there anti American religion. We locked them up for their race.
3. If you own a British passport and/or have British Citizenship you are British. Just if I were to move to America and get American Citizenship and an American passport - I would then be American.
4. As I said before, I may be nuts, but that's irrelevant.
5. Good, then we agree on the meaning of 'Anarchy' for the purpose of this discussion and I'm happy to use your definition of 'liberal'.
6. Yep. After they were released. Released by the Americans, who (possibly coincidentaly) were under pressure from the rest of the international community to release any non-combatants, when they realised that hey, these guys aren't combatants, they're just innocent british muslems who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They didn't do this straight away though, oh no, of course not, first they deprived them of their human rights. Rights that, even if they were enemy combatants, they had under the Geneva Convention.
3. Fine, take it. But they are MEsterns born in England they obviously had no loyalties to England whatsoever but again on the literal stance you are correct.
4. We will let that one go as well.
5. we will agree here as well.
6. Sorry after the terrorism that is going on in the world I really don't care. I would even applaude the deportation of all muslims in America. Yup I know on this issue that goes against my libertarian ideals and I can not defend feeling this way except to say I feel the Muslim religion goes against everything American, and the 2 beliefs are oil and water. I guess if you want to remeove all countries and borders, I can get away with this one.
there, only 2 more to go. lol
3. We can say very little about their true loyalties. Only they could have told us what their true loyalties were. But now they're dead.
6. Except 'the muslim religion' doesn't go against everything American, or even everything Christian. So called 'Islamic extremists' aren't Islamic in the eyes of a large number (possibly even the majority) of muslims. Islamic extremists are as Islamic as David Coresh was a Christian.
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