BF2S Forums Can you imagine if the the leaders of the US said this?

Really I enjoy your ignorant bantor ..maybe I threw in a run on sentence but the contents are easily comprehended. The only part seemingly complex is explaining that the transparent box that is used for the subtitle is transparent for a reason. That is that if you were to replace and edit the words out the box could no longer be tranparent unless you had edited every single frame which is incredibly difficult and having no purpose. Long story short your scepticism of its authenticity was extreme. Its a blatent example of your bias to expect the worst out of one side and believe the best out of another regardless of the glaring proof in your face.

Bubbalo wrote:

Thanks for the link, it proves my point.  He didn't say that world should bow and surrender

Are you retarded or illiterate?

That is exactly what he said in the video and not the bullshit youre trying to turn it into. Instead of trying to infer yor own ideas take it for what it is at face value. It's Ahamadinejad sabre rattling saying directly anyone who opposes the Iranian people should "submit and bow" ..its pretty fuckin clear and concise. And trying to say this is something Bush would say it quite fucking halarious. Please find me one example where Bush says the Iranians should bow and submit to him.

Leme guess you probably believe that when Ahmadinejad retracted threating to destory Israel he just meant philosophically or politically and not literally. So when Iran gave Lebanon weapons to physically and literally "destory" Israel it was just some other misinterpretation.

Last edited by ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ (2006-10-11 08:37:38)

Big deal.  GWB uses such rhetoric all the time.  He (Bush) highlighted North Korea and Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil."  He said they must be dealt with.  He routinely invokes their name in his speeches.  How is that any different than what Ahamadinejad says?  He (Ahamadinejad) is trying to use bullshit rhetoric to win the hearts of his people, just like any politician does.  You just have a problem with it because you fall for all the Bush rhetoric instead of just taking it for what its worth, which is nothing. 

Has North Korea or Iran attacked the US since their leaders have been in power?  Has the US attacked Iran or North Korea since GWB has been in power?  Did the US ever attack USSR or vice-versa during the Cold War?  No, but there was a ridiculous amount of political banter back and forth the whole time.  Honestly, I am not scared of Iran or North Korea lobbing over a bomb any time soon. 

As I mentioned here some time ago, its all about posturing for more power on a global stage.  I am confident in saying that the rest of the world leaders (Bush included) are not stupid enough allow that power switch to happen.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-10-11 11:27:33)

Bush hasn't come right out and said "bow down", you are right.  However, he has said many things that are aggressive in regards to Iran and North Korea, and Iran is trying to play it back.  The World Stage is unfortunately like a playground;  You have the big bully, and then a bunch of people who would like nothing more than to take down that bully.  That's just the way it is, deal with it.

On your second point, I can't help but come to the conclusion that you are advocating a war with Iran?  Are you serious?  Logistics-wise, that would be the death of our Armed Forces, not to mention our increasingly dwindling foreign policy clout.  We (the US) cannot just go around and start wars because we don't like what the guy said.  If he attacks the US and/or citizens, then yes, by all means he should be attacked.  The US cannot just go around and take out any guy we don't like, because he told 'us" to bow down.  I mean seriously, I don't take that personally.  In fact, it really makes me laugh.  A grown man with a beard full of all this fiery rhetoric telling the global community (and the US in general) to "bow down."  Ha fucking Ha.

The US has said things like this in the past, just not the exact words.  If Bush Administration officials (or Bush himself) said this, I would laugh, just like I do 95% of the time they do open their mouths.  I never have taken Bush or his administration's words for more than a grain of salt blowing in the wind.

PS - Good job on Godwin'ng the thread.  Just compare everything to one of the most evil men in the last 100 years, that will get a reaction.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2006-10-11 12:06:16)

Kmarion wrote:

If I said I was advocting war with Iran I would have stated that. To point out threatening remarks by another nations leader does not mean I think we should invade it. Learn not to put individuals into one group such has "war mongers". There are other ways to handle threats. BTW do not underestimate our military. There are ways to demolish Iran's military without invading.I would like to see this handled diplomatically of course.

You are right, and I apologize.  I misread your remarks calling my "wait and see" attitude dangerous as your advocation of war.

Our military is stretched incredibly thin.  As a member of the US public, a son of a Marine, and a brother of a Marine, I would not want to see the Armed Forces stretched beyond their capabilities.  Already, our resources going to the military are spreading thin.  It's one thing when you read the news about $80 billion going to the war effort.  It sounds like a lot of money going directly to fight the wars, pay troops, get supplies, etc, but it goes to R&D for bigger and badder weapons.  C'mon, the Mother of All Bombs, that just sounds fun, doesn't it?

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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

However, he has said many things that are aggressive in regards to Iran and North Korea

Its true but an important distinction that it is nowhere even close to the extreme caliber of what they say.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Did the US ever attack USSR or vice-versa during the Cold War?  No, but there was a ridiculous amount of political banter back and forth the whole time.  Honestly, I am not scared of Iran or North Korea lobbing over a bomb any time soon.

I agree that the majority of public position and posturing is banal but there are obvious exceptions. Bush certainly wasnt just posturing when the threatened to goto Iraq and Hitler Mussolini and many others started of talking and ended in the obvious fashion. The conflict with Iran is pretty real and in case you didnt notice theyre are getting scantioned in the UN and thats the first step toards a physical conflict. You dont have to worry about Iran invading your bedroom anytime soon but that doesnt mean theres no chance for a real war.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

war with Iran?  Are you serious?  Logistics-wise, that would be the death of our Armed Forces

Thats quite the emotional and non-factual based response. Theres no question the troops deployed today are streched relatively thin but thats not an indictment of military capability but of our comitment to the conflict. Specifically that we dont go full bore and make a huge commitment of personnel to what is essentially a military police effort for a war that ended 3 years ago. In Iraq the troop levels are 120,000 and in Afghanistan  18,000 but the total armed forces number 2.6 million and if push came to shove the scenario you portrayed as the "death" America has 135 million military aged men available for worst case scaenario.

Last edited by ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ (2006-10-11 17:21:29)