I think you guys are both trying to say that "extreme [dems/repubs]" are the spineless turds ruining things. Because both parties (who are conservative and liberal in their respect), have plenty of patriotic duty, USA friendly ideology, and they both have people who have served their country. Their disagreements on how to do their repsective jobs are the problem. Both worship their party more than their ideas and screw each other endlessly rather than maturely find solutions between them. I consider myself a centrist. I condone and condemn principles from both parties and I have common beliefs with other non-dem/rep people. It's baffling to watch these two infants fight over something. It's always all or nothing..no meeting half way.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
While I agree, you also have to realize that the extreme ends of the Republican party are just as bad.fadedsteve wrote:
Democrats arent bad. . . . .I wish the democrats would stop letting their party get hijacked by liberals!!!
Liberals are terrible!! They are spineless twits who would rather bash the USA than support it!!!
I (registered republican) have no problem voting for a TRUE democrat if I feel they are qualified, but I will NEVER EVER vote for a liberal! They have their heads so far up their ass they cant even see straight!!
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Thank you all for the responses
Nothing like fear of the unknown.fadedsteve wrote:
Democrats arent bad. . . . .I wish the democrats would stop letting their party get hijacked by liberals!!!
Liberals are terrible!! They are spineless twits who would rather bash the USA than support it!!!
I (registered republican) have no problem voting for a TRUE democrat if I feel they are qualified, but I will NEVER EVER vote for a liberal! They have their heads so far up their ass they cant even see straight!!
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
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QFTsmtt686 wrote:
actually idiots are dangerous to america and they all happen to be wealthy and running the country. and idiots come in 2 colors, republicans and democrats. neither is worse than the other, but together they get us in more trouble than either alone. i used to have a serious disdain for pro athletes and celebrities, but i have to add politicians in there also.
Semantics.Spark wrote:
Nothing like fear of the unknown.fadedsteve wrote:
Democrats arent bad. . . . .I wish the democrats would stop letting their party get hijacked by liberals!!!
Liberals are terrible!! They are spineless twits who would rather bash the USA than support it!!!
I (registered republican) have no problem voting for a TRUE democrat if I feel they are qualified, but I will NEVER EVER vote for a liberal! They have their heads so far up their ass they cant even see straight!!
Left-wingers are too widely varied to fit under that doctrinal umbrella. The following isn't a flame against you, but for example:
"2. Liberalism advocates civil rights for all citizens: the protection and privileges of personal liberty extended to all citizens equally by law. Why would you be against this?"
Does it mention anywhere under number two that the government and businesses should actively give preference to minorities in the name of equal rights? That seems to me more of an inversion of discriminatory practices than anything else, yet it doesn't stop liberal government from giving perks and contracting preferences to businesses who have a certain number of minorities. I'm for civil rights, not special rights.
"4. Racism is incompatible with liberalism. Liberals in Europe are generally hostile to any attempts by the state to enforce equality in employment by legal action against employers, whereas in the United States many liberals favor such affirmative action."
Again, in the name of abolishing racism, liberals (here) give preference to minorities for what they are, not what they can do. Irony, anyone?
"6. Liberals generally believe in neutral government, in the sense that it is not for the state to determine personal values. Better to let people make up their own damn mind."
Great, now stop shoving PC ideals down my throat.
"8. Many liberals share values with environmentalists, such as the Green Party. They seek to minimize the damage done by the human species on the natural world, and to maximize the regeneration of damaged areas.
You may not care about the environment. You may not care that in 30 years we might not have oil (MIGHT), or no rainforests, or be on the brink of disaster due to 'climate change' (note the quotes). But I certainly do - I'M (as in my generation) the one who'll be cleaning up after you."
Of course I care, but environmentalism can be taken too far, to the point of violating or nullifying property rights. I don't want a section of my land seized by the government and converted into a cesspool for mosquitos to breed in.
"10. Left-wing politics USUALLY (and I mean USUALLY) abides by the principles set out above."
Key statement there. All too often, left-wing politics engages in too much deviation from and creative interpretation of these ideals.
[edit]Items in quotes are from Spark's list. Items italicized are rebuttals, in varying degree.[/edit]
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Democrats aren't bad because they are just like the Republicans. That's what fadedsteve is saying in case you missed it. Unfortunately he is absolutely right.fadedsteve wrote:
Democrats arent bad. . . . .I wish the democrats would stop letting their party get hijacked by liberals!!!
At the moment, in this truly democratic system of the US, both parties express the same political views. Hence, the whole voting procedure is a farce that lacks any significance, except for those who stand to gain on a personal level, depending on the set of people who will eventually inhabit the White House.
I think your wish has been granted for some time now, steve. Liberal thinking is nowhere near the Democrats' political agenda. In an attempt to predict the future, I'd bet my bottom $ that if/ when the Democrats come to power, they will act more or less the same as the present administration. Any minor differences will be stretched and highlighted so that the illusion of diversity will live on until the next elections. And so on...
So to answer the question, only liberals are dangerous to America as it stands today, and for as long as it remains the imperialistic superpower.
Then again, a pessimist (myself included) might argue that they are not so much of a danger after all, considering the huge success of the effort to marginalize and inculpate liberal thinking (by naming it unpatriotic and conspiracy theory crap).
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Since 2001 one 3rd world country has become a nuclear power, another is on the verge
we have justly invaded one nation that is now in a state of controlled chaos (Afghanistan)
we have unjustly invaded another nation that is now in a state of complete chaos (Iraq), we are directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands if not over 100,000 Iraqi civilians (HUMAN BEINGS)
hundreds of thousands of US soldiers have been placed in harms way, in unarmored trucks, wearing either no body armor or inadequate/defective equipment, and over 2,700 have been killed and over 20,000 wounded in a conflict that is unresolvable without civil war in which case all those US soldiers have been killed and wounded for nothing but each other
the federal budget has gone from operating in a projected surplus to being more in debt than ever before
social security is non-existent for my generation
the middle class is shrinking while the rich become astronomically richer and the poor become even more poor
no-bid contracts worth billions are the norm in Washington
the US no longer adheres the the Geneva Convention, which i guess means nations we fight against dont have to follow any rules either.
Government Bureaucracy and incompetence left thousands stranded, who knows how many dead, and everyone feeling like a refugee in their own nation during Katrina. the Royal Canadian Mounted Police responded faster than our own government.
terrorists crashed two jets into the world trade center, one into the pentagon, and one in a field in Pennsylvania.
See what happens when you let Liberals and Democrats run amuk? Oh, wait.
we have justly invaded one nation that is now in a state of controlled chaos (Afghanistan)
we have unjustly invaded another nation that is now in a state of complete chaos (Iraq), we are directly responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands if not over 100,000 Iraqi civilians (HUMAN BEINGS)
hundreds of thousands of US soldiers have been placed in harms way, in unarmored trucks, wearing either no body armor or inadequate/defective equipment, and over 2,700 have been killed and over 20,000 wounded in a conflict that is unresolvable without civil war in which case all those US soldiers have been killed and wounded for nothing but each other
the federal budget has gone from operating in a projected surplus to being more in debt than ever before
social security is non-existent for my generation
the middle class is shrinking while the rich become astronomically richer and the poor become even more poor
no-bid contracts worth billions are the norm in Washington
the US no longer adheres the the Geneva Convention, which i guess means nations we fight against dont have to follow any rules either.
Government Bureaucracy and incompetence left thousands stranded, who knows how many dead, and everyone feeling like a refugee in their own nation during Katrina. the Royal Canadian Mounted Police responded faster than our own government.
terrorists crashed two jets into the world trade center, one into the pentagon, and one in a field in Pennsylvania.
See what happens when you let Liberals and Democrats run amuk? Oh, wait.
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only the ones that vote, especially the dead ones
Democrats no..Liberals yes as are the extreme right wing....I am conservative and most will not agree but Bush is more moderete on alot of issues. The ones who scream conspiracy theory are dangerous becuase they don't have a clue.
yes liberals and democrats are dangerous because take note, they always talk about gloom and doom and about the world ending and it happening and what not. its almost as if they want it to happen. not to mention the ACLU backing murderers, pedophiles, and people such as these.
Like right wing fundamentalist christians? Or like people who run campaigns saying if you don't vote Republican, terrorists will kill your family?GeneralDodo wrote:
yes liberals and democrats are dangerous because take note, they always talk about gloom and doom and about the world ending and it happening and what not.
Everyone knows that both parties are guilty of manipulation through propaganda. Just vote for candidates, not their affiliation.Ikarti wrote:
Like right wing fundamentalist christians? Or like people who run campaigns saying if you don't vote Republican, terrorists will kill your family?GeneralDodo wrote:
yes liberals and democrats are dangerous because take note, they always talk about gloom and doom and about the world ending and it happening and what not.
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i wouldnt doubt it happening really, if democrats went into office, they would pull off a 'BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!', leaving terrorist groups to seriously reform and plot new and fresh attacks, allowing the entrance of terrorist cells into the United States because the Democrats want to be kind to people of all races, and not only that, but if there was a terrorist attack, i wouldn't be surprised if democrats tried negotiating with the terrorist and let him off the hook. democrats are either plain stupid or know what they are doing to further degrade what was an awesome country before communists began flowing into this country.Ikarti wrote:
Like right wing fundamentalist christians? Or like people who run campaigns saying if you don't vote Republican, terrorists will kill your family?GeneralDodo wrote:
yes liberals and democrats are dangerous because take note, they always talk about gloom and doom and about the world ending and it happening and what not.
honestly though, i think that political retarditude is a circular path, if you go too far right or left you end up at the exact same level of idiocy, whether it's PETA trying to ban medical research or those idiots saying god kills soldiers cuz one of em was gay, I don't think I've ever party-line voted, I usually check a fair smattering of dems, libertarians, independents and repubs, doesn't look like the green party is going to get any votes from me though
The only reason Ikarti <3's democrats is because he doesnt work, is mexican, and receives welfare benefits.
I'm hispanic, so don't call me a racist. Atleast im not a lazy ass sneaking into this country to live off the government.
I'm hispanic, so don't call me a racist. Atleast im not a lazy ass sneaking into this country to live off the government.
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...So we shouldn't be kind to all races? And are you aware the communists have been dead and buried for awhile now?GeneralDodo wrote:
i wouldnt doubt it happening really, if democrats went into office, they would pull off a 'BRING THE TROOPS HOME!!', leaving terrorist groups to seriously reform and plot new and fresh attacks, allowing the entrance of terrorist cells into the United States because the Democrats want to be kind to people of all races, and not only that, but if there was a terrorist attack, i wouldn't be surprised if democrats tried negotiating with the terrorist and let him off the hook. democrats are either plain stupid or know what they are doing to further degrade what was an awesome country before communists began flowing into this country.Ikarti wrote:
Like right wing fundamentalist christians? Or like people who run campaigns saying if you don't vote Republican, terrorists will kill your family?GeneralDodo wrote:
yes liberals and democrats are dangerous because take note, they always talk about gloom and doom and about the world ending and it happening and what not.
We should be kind to all races, BUT racial profiling is at times necessary.
All terrorists are muslim, but not all muslims are terrorists. Get me?
All terrorists are muslim, but not all muslims are terrorists. Get me?
Don't be surprised when they racially profile your allegedly hispanic ass back to Mexico then.GeneralDodo wrote:
We should be kind to all races, BUT racial profiling is at times necessary.
All terrorists are muslim, but not all muslims are terrorists. Get me?
Born in the U.S. motherfucker, and i'm proud to be an American. You are the one that should get their sorry ass out of the U.S., and if you don't live in the United States, then good, we don't need anymore liberals in this country.
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Also, i'm not Mexican.
It shows what a moron you are though. You say you aren't racist, you're Hispanic but yet not Mexican, yet you look down on them. You support racial profiling, even though they go after people who look Arab but aren't Arab. You don't think that could happen to you? Someone might mistake you for a Mexican? The only thing you contribute to this country is your ignorance.GeneralDodo wrote:
Born in the U.S. motherfucker, and i'm proud to be an American. You are the one that should get their sorry ass out of the U.S., and if you don't live in the United States, then good, we don't need anymore liberals in this country.
rofl, dude no that never happens i look caucasian, everyone confuses me for white.
this post has something to do with the rest of this discussion? thanks for your contribution, hispanic, but i think your computer privledges are up, and now it's time for you to go back to your cell.GeneralDodo wrote:
The only reason Ikarti <3's democrats is because he doesnt work, is mexican, and receives welfare benefits.
I'm hispanic, so don't call me a racist. Atleast im not a lazy ass sneaking into this country to live off the government.
I was basically stating that most mexicans that cross the border and sneak into this country do not work, yet want everything on a silver platter. so they do nothing and live off welfare, our tax money. also, i'm no convict to be spending any time in a cell.
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You know what is dangerous to America, the whole political party system. It's all a bunch of crap and should be thrown out. That is why we have a dumb ass for a president and always have(barring some situations)
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