BF2S Forums 10 reasons why the hijackers where fake

Forget discuss, not really possible on here these days...

Don't you know you're either a US basher-hater or a BUSH basher-hater... just for posting this here - there is NO OTHER OPTION possible - tis absolute!

"I was learned" this moronic false dilemma Neo-Con Republo-Imperialist Fascist TRUTH of REASONING(!) by/from the BF2S genius karma-whore conservative hordes.

Oh and of course there are the IDIOTIC conclsions, based upon the FALSE DILEMMA:

spacebandit72 wrote:

Thank God this dude is protected by freedom of speech.
I don't know the whole story and I don't think anyone does but this guy should move to another country if he thinks the government is so evil.
He thinks he's holier than thow up there speeking like he is some expert on the matter. Who is he?

Anyway, it's people like that who are just hoping to be right so he can one day say "I told you so". For what? It's the same with the people who say the moon landing was faked. Who cares really?
I'm too concerned with work and trying to support my family than trying to prove that aliens were actually the ones who created the faces on Mt. Rushmore.

So....... no.

The Love it or Leave it... cliche' ... Yippy Ki-aye Mother Fucker!

. . . this guy should move to another country if he thinks the government is so evil.

Last edited by topal63 (2006-10-10 10:53:57)

bogo24dk wrote:

Warning: evidence of flaming using obscene words is a indication of low IQ

bogo24dk wrote:

go back to kindergarten.

you have been flamed by my pointing out that your flaming yourself, now it's nappy time

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kr@cker wrote:

bogo24dk wrote:

Warning: evidence of flaming using obscene words is a indication of low IQ

bogo24dk wrote:

go back to kindergarten.

you have been flamed by my pointing out that your flaming yourself, now it's nappy time

What if you come with some real arguments ? Or you want to prove me right on my warning ? It's your choice i guess.

ATG wrote:

Anybody can get up on a stage and say anything.
Why don't you provide links to the interview with the terrorist hyjackers they claim exists.

Some of the claims, if corroborated, would be interesting. But where is the corroboration?


Verdict=yawn/fail.

Thank God this dude is protected by freedom of speech.
I don't know the whole story and I don't think anyone does but this guy should move to another country if he thinks the government is so evil.
He thinks he's holier than thow up there speeking like he is some expert on the matter. Who is he?

Anyway, it's people like that who are just hoping to be right so he can one day say "I told you so". For what? It's the same with the people who say the moon landing was faked. Who cares really?
I'm too concerned with work and trying to support my family than trying to prove that aliens were actually the ones who created the faces on Mt. Rushmore.

So....... no.

Warning: misspelling simple words, especially in post titles, is a indication of low IQ. Avoid it at all cost, or go back to kindergarten.

Some great points made. Would like to see some proper feedback to allegations.

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 11) Any group of American passengers, confronted by a couple of guys with box cutters would have beaten them to death with their luggage

Firstly, there were 19 hijackers according to reports which equates to five terrorists a plane (except one which would have four) which is not a "couple".  Even if we remove the four that have been found "alive and well" still means there were four hijackers on each plane (except one which would have had 3).

Secondly, the people on the plane would have had no idea what the intention on the hijackers was and would have most probably assumed a ransom was to be demanded and that they weren't in any immediate danger.  They would not have known that the hijackers intended to kill all of them so quickly (relatively) after taking over the aircraft.

Thirdly, it is possible that one of the terrorists took a hostage with the box cutter blade to the throat which would have made anyone think twice.  This coupled with the above reason would have been enough to stop anyone challenging them immediately.  Also, the fact the last plane came down because the passengers did know the terrorists intentions only serves to disproves this guy's opening theory.

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 10) The names of the terrorists do not appear on official passenger manifests

OK, well the Globe have a manifest which DOES include their names,

http://graphics.boston.com/news/package … nifest.gif

As for so-called 'official' manifests, this whole issue is a weaker point because they can almost say anything about why the names aren't on the list, i.e., it was a matter of national security, it was considered dishonorable to put the names of the murderers in with the victims, they used fake names etc....

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 9) None of them were subject to any autopsy

Does this guy know what happens to a solid steel plane, let alone a human body at the FRONT of the impact, when it hits a solid building at that speed?  It pulverizes!  There would have been virtually no evidence of human life left in the wreckage let alone a body capable of being dissected, Prat!

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 8) 5 to 7 have turned up to be alive and well

Actually it's four,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm

However, Arabs tend to use a small selection of names and I bet you there are literally thousands of Mohamed Attas walking around the Middle East right now. Read the BBC article and it became quite clear how mistaken identity could have happened (one lost his passport in America).  Also, even if he is right it only proves mistaken identity and not a sinister Government plot.

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 7) FBI never revised it's list

Don't know what this means or proves/disproves. Help anyone?

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 6) Atta left a paper trail in his luggage

Whenever a terrorist atrocity happens, every group in the World wants to claim responsibility. Al Qaeda did not want to do this secretly, it only defeats the object of the mission.  This is proven by the tapes later released by the group showing Bin Laden taking about the atrocities and how he planned them.  Atta wanted the World to know he did it and he certainly wanted the names of his accomplices to be know so the Arab World would hold them in high esteem as martyrs.

There's no such thing as an unknown martyr.

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 5) They could not have flown the planes

Why not?  They received training at a top US flight school and possibly at home in the Middle East.  Besides, they could have demanded further instruction form the on-board pilots at knife point before it was obvious what their intention was. 

Also, there are thousands of pilots working for commercial airliners and I have heard not one of them say "hang on a minute, how did they do that?".  There are too many experienced people that would have spotted that straight away and said something.  Seems only this guy and his mate did, strange....

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 4) Cell phone wouldn't work

Ask any air line attendant and they'll tell you how many time they hear a cell phone ring despite the restrictions on their use.   Some phones wouldn't work agreed, but some would for a short period of time and let's not forget the air-phones that are fitted to most planes.  To say that no phone would work at all is complete BS.

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 3) Tape wouldn't record passengers

Firstly, his only evidence of this is a letter from "an astute student" (no name then?).  Secondly, the doors wouldn't be soundproof as it would serve no purpose and I don't find it hard to believe that a mic would pick (if only small traces that needed amplifying later) passengers shouting on the other side of the door.

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 2) The last words were wrong

"Allah Akbar" has been attributed to many, many suicide bombers that carry our acts across the globe.  It is common knowledge that "martyrs" say this before killing themselves.  Secondly if it was planned, do you really think the FBI would make an error like that in it's planning?

Fat bloke on video wrote:

Reason 1) Mousawi was convicted despite the 5th amendment

Don't see how this disproves the official Al Qaeda theory and only proves it by admitting Mousawi confessed to conspiring to a similar, but failed, mission.  In fact it only goes to show that there was Arabic terrorist groups planning the hijacking and crashing of commercial airliners.  Further more, this also shows that reason no. 5 is a shame as he believes Mousawi was capable of flying a plane into the White House.

All of his reason are flawed horribly and he neglects the fact that if this was Government planned.  Bush's administration would not have anywhere near the time to plan all this meaning that Clinton must have been involved too.

Yay...now just answer me a question? With the way you posted that exactly how are we supposed to say anything that proves it wrong. Its pretty much"ha Im right, the goverment attacked its own people and nothing you say or prove will make me think different" dumbass.

wow, i stopped watching after the first reason.... fucktard, they probably had a boxcutter next to the sterwardesses neck... are you gonna be the person that gets out of your seat and makes her get her throat slit, i bet half the people on the plane didnt even know what was going on, probably just the people in first class knew what was happening

PRiMACORD wrote:

ATG wrote:

Anybody can get up on a stage and say anything.
Why don't you provide links to the interview with the terrorist hyjackers they claim exists.

Some of the claims, if corroborated, would be interesting. But where is the corroboration?


Verdict=yawn/fail.

I will add one thing that has always bugged me tho. How did they fly so well? I've heard there is a massive difference between flying a Cesna and a huge jetliner. The most difficult flight being the one that smashed into the Pentagon. I'm not sure, i'm not a jet whore

Ok, I can't find a link to it because it would require a few hours of wading through the conspiracy theorist web sites to find a decent one with just records, but the pilots were training in jumbo jet simulators just days before the attack.  Also, according to recordings of the flight attendants talking to authorities, the hijackers didn't really fly the planes all that well.  They could line up the planes with their targets just fine, but they were constantly making turns and maneuvers that the flight attendants described as radical and too sharp.

I can't believe I wasted 8 and a half minutes of my life watching this guy spout utter bullshit.