Ahhhh, so you are giving permission for Israel to be paranoid of their neighbors. bout time you seen it our way.jonsimon wrote:
Um, NK is hated by all their neighbors, the Israel of East Asia one might say. They have the right to be paranoid.RAIMIUS wrote:
That's right, they absolutely require a 1 million man army, thousands of artillery pieces and nuclear weapons to not be invaded...
The next thing you know, Canada will be testing nuclear weapons to assure that they are not invaded by the evil US.
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To be paranoid, not to bomb your neighbors.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh, so you are giving permission for Israel to be paranoid of their neighbors. bout time you seen it our way.jonsimon wrote:
Um, NK is hated by all their neighbors, the Israel of East Asia one might say. They have the right to be paranoid.RAIMIUS wrote:
That's right, they absolutely require a 1 million man army, thousands of artillery pieces and nuclear weapons to not be invaded...
The next thing you know, Canada will be testing nuclear weapons to assure that they are not invaded by the evil US.
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Wow, great. NK has nuclear bombs equivalent to those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Who cares?
What's the option now? As I see it, there are three possible reactions to the test:
1. Live and let live. Why do we need to do anything?
2. Sanctions. More of them. Except that's already been proven not to work. While China didn't take part, they are still unlikely to as if they do, NK's economy will go even further to pieces and lots of NK peasants will flood into their communist neighbour - not something China wants to happen.
3. Military action. Completely daft. Millions of SK citizens will die - NK has enough conventional weapons to flatten Seoul.
Anything I've missed?
What's the option now? As I see it, there are three possible reactions to the test:
1. Live and let live. Why do we need to do anything?
2. Sanctions. More of them. Except that's already been proven not to work. While China didn't take part, they are still unlikely to as if they do, NK's economy will go even further to pieces and lots of NK peasants will flood into their communist neighbour - not something China wants to happen.
3. Military action. Completely daft. Millions of SK citizens will die - NK has enough conventional weapons to flatten Seoul.
Anything I've missed?
Live and let live? Excuse me, if I had that nuclear power and controlled North Korea with his views, I would target any and all things within range.aardfrith wrote:
Wow, great. NK has nuclear bombs equivalent to those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Who cares?
What's the option now? As I see it, there are three possible reactions to the test:
1. Live and let live. Why do we need to do anything?
2. Sanctions. More of them. Except that's already been proven not to work. While China didn't take part, they are still unlikely to as if they do, NK's economy will go even further to pieces and lots of NK peasants will flood into their communist neighbour - not something China wants to happen.
3. Military action. Completely daft. Millions of SK citizens will die - NK has enough conventional weapons to flatten Seoul.
Anything I've missed?
ok be paranoid just don't defend yourselves..got itsergeriver wrote:
To be paranoid, not to bomb your neighbors.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh, so you are giving permission for Israel to be paranoid of their neighbors. bout time you seen it our way.jonsimon wrote:
Um, NK is hated by all their neighbors, the Israel of East Asia one might say. They have the right to be paranoid.
And what would be the result if he did actually launch a missile? How quickly would a combined US/UK/UN? task force invade? Couple of weeks at most.Miller wrote:
Live and let live? Excuse me, if I had that nuclear power and controlled North Korea with his views, I would target any and all things within range.aardfrith wrote:
Wow, great. NK has nuclear bombs equivalent to those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Who cares?
What's the option now? As I see it, there are three possible reactions to the test:
1. Live and let live. Why do we need to do anything?
2. Sanctions. More of them. Except that's already been proven not to work. While China didn't take part, they are still unlikely to as if they do, NK's economy will go even further to pieces and lots of NK peasants will flood into their communist neighbour - not something China wants to happen.
3. Military action. Completely daft. Millions of SK citizens will die - NK has enough conventional weapons to flatten Seoul.
Anything I've missed?
The Lowing Dictionary:lowing wrote:
ok be paranoid just don't defend yourselves..got itsergeriver wrote:
To be paranoid, not to bomb your neighbors.lowing wrote:
Ahhhh, so you are giving permission for Israel to be paranoid of their neighbors. bout time you seen it our way.
Paranoia n. The state of bombing everything everywhere without reason.
I'd go out on a limb to type that you must not listen to Rush.The_Shipbuilder wrote:
I don't get it, what's the joke here? Ping pong?DBBrinson1 wrote:
Damnit. We missed our chance to hit em. Ping pong really needs a bitch slap USA style.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
well if you don't think Israel has had to defend itself over the past 60 years then you are a lost cause.jonsimon wrote:
The Lowing Dictionary:lowing wrote:
ok be paranoid just don't defend yourselves..got itsergeriver wrote:
To be paranoid, not to bomb your neighbors.
Paranoia n. The state of bombing everything everywhere without reason.
Example......explain the unprovoked scud missle attacks on Israel by Iraq during the '91 gulf war.
Right, that totally justifies attacking Palestine and Lebannon. I'm not saying they never had the right to defend themselves, I'm saying they never had the right to attack the people they chose to instead.lowing wrote:
well if you don't think Israel has had to defend itself over the past 60 years then you are a lost cause.jonsimon wrote:
The Lowing Dictionary:lowing wrote:
ok be paranoid just don't defend yourselves..got it
Paranoia n. The state of bombing everything everywhere without reason.
Example......explain the unprovoked scud missle attacks on Israel by Iraq during the '91 gulf war.
As for unprovoked, nothing is unprovoked. It may seem so to uninformed outside observes such as ourselves, but there is always a motive.
with the reputation of the hezzbola hiding and fighting among their own children.........You really see them as taking the high road huh???jonsimon wrote:
Right, that totally justifies attacking Palestine and Lebannon. I'm not saying they never had the right to defend themselves, I'm saying they never had the right to attack the people they chose to instead.lowing wrote:
well if you don't think Israel has had to defend itself over the past 60 years then you are a lost cause.jonsimon wrote:
The Lowing Dictionary:
Paranoia n. The state of bombing everything everywhere without reason.
Example......explain the unprovoked scud missle attacks on Israel by Iraq during the '91 gulf war.
As for unprovoked, nothing is unprovoked. It may seem so to uninformed outside observes such as ourselves, but there is always a motive.
Obviously the most recent occurrance was the only ever.lowing wrote:
with the reputation of the hezzbola hiding and fighting among their own children.........You really see them as taking the high road huh???jonsimon wrote:
Right, that totally justifies attacking Palestine and Lebannon. I'm not saying they never had the right to defend themselves, I'm saying they never had the right to attack the people they chose to instead.lowing wrote:
well if you don't think Israel has had to defend itself over the past 60 years then you are a lost cause.
Example......explain the unprovoked scud missle attacks on Israel by Iraq during the '91 gulf war.
As for unprovoked, nothing is unprovoked. It may seem so to uninformed outside observes such as ourselves, but there is always a motive.
no, how about we go back to 1948, when Israel was attacked by the arab nations 15 seconds after it gained its independencejonsimon wrote:
Obviously the most recent occurrance was the only ever.lowing wrote:
with the reputation of the hezzbola hiding and fighting among their own children.........You really see them as taking the high road huh???jonsimon wrote:
Right, that totally justifies attacking Palestine and Lebannon. I'm not saying they never had the right to defend themselves, I'm saying they never had the right to attack the people they chose to instead.
As for unprovoked, nothing is unprovoked. It may seem so to uninformed outside observes such as ourselves, but there is always a motive.
Oh right, the independence declared by an indpendent political body against the wishes of all it's neighbors including the Palestinians to be displaced by said declaration. That independence.lowing wrote:
no, how about we go back to 1948, when Israel was attacked by the arab nations 15 seconds after it gained its independencejonsimon wrote:
Obviously the most recent occurrance was the only ever.lowing wrote:
with the reputation of the hezzbola hiding and fighting among their own children.........You really see them as taking the high road huh???
How about we mention the war Israel started against Egypt in 1967.
Oh, and don't forget, Israel has been oppressing Palestine since.
might wanna take a tip toe through the facts.jonsimon wrote:
Oh right, the independence declared by an indpendent political body against the wishes of all it's neighbors including the Palestinians to be displaced by said declaration. That independence.lowing wrote:
no, how about we go back to 1948, when Israel was attacked by the arab nations 15 seconds after it gained its independencejonsimon wrote:
Obviously the most recent occurrance was the only ever.
How about we mention the war Israel started against Egypt in 1967.
Oh, and don't forget, Israel has been oppressing Palestine since.
Israel was recognized by the UN as an independent state.the same UN you support now.
The Arab nations started the six days war.Israel finished it.
Sorry, when did I say I support the UN?lowing wrote:
might wanna take a tip toe through the facts.jonsimon wrote:
Oh right, the independence declared by an indpendent political body against the wishes of all it's neighbors including the Palestinians to be displaced by said declaration. That independence.lowing wrote:
no, how about we go back to 1948, when Israel was attacked by the arab nations 15 seconds after it gained its independence
How about we mention the war Israel started against Egypt in 1967.
Oh, and don't forget, Israel has been oppressing Palestine since.
Israel was recognized by the UN as an independent state.the same UN you support now.
The Arab nations started the six days war.Israel finished it.
Oh, and Israel started the six days war as a 'pre-emptive' war in 'retaliation' to egyptian military movements.
Huh?? Were the only country in the world WHO HAS USED A NUCLEAR WEAPON on someone else!!!jonsimon wrote:
Nothing will happen to NK because, guess what, they have nukes. Us americans are pussies like that.
Pussies hardly. . . .why dont you be constructive, and scratch off your Howard Dean bumper sticker off your car!!
Yeah I wish I was brave enough to drop a nuke on 70,000 people.fadedsteve wrote:
Huh?? Were the only country in the world WHO HAS USED A NUCLEAR WEAPON on someone else!!!jonsimon wrote:
Nothing will happen to NK because, guess what, they have nukes. Us americans are pussies like that.
Pussies hardly. . . .why dont you be constructive, and scratch off your Howard Dean bumper sticker off your car!!
And again we're talking about Israel
Sidetrax ftw.
Sidetrax ftw.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yeah, but we're too chicken to attack anyone who has them.fadedsteve wrote:
Huh?? Were the only country in the world WHO HAS USED A NUCLEAR WEAPON on someone else!!!jonsimon wrote:
Nothing will happen to NK because, guess what, they have nukes. Us americans are pussies like that.
Pussies hardly. . . .why dont you be constructive, and scratch off your Howard Dean bumper sticker off your car!!
Howard dean?
Car? I wish.
so they are making weapons to keep people out because of their weapons.
yeah, it was Israel.not the egyption blockade of Israeli shipping, or the military build up all along the Israeli border, or the fact that egypt kicked the UN out of the Sinai peninsula.. how dare Israel attackjonsimon wrote:
Sorry, when did I say I support the UN?lowing wrote:
might wanna take a tip toe through the facts.jonsimon wrote:
Oh right, the independence declared by an indpendent political body against the wishes of all it's neighbors including the Palestinians to be displaced by said declaration. That independence.
How about we mention the war Israel started against Egypt in 1967.
Oh, and don't forget, Israel has been oppressing Palestine since.
Israel was recognized by the UN as an independent state.the same UN you support now.
The Arab nations started the six days war.Israel finished it.
Oh, and Israel started the six days war as a 'pre-emptive' war in 'retaliation' to egyptian military movements.
Good to see how we have moved on, Israel just kills UN peace keepers now.......lowing wrote:
yeah, it was Israel.not the egyption blockade of Israeli shipping, or the military build up all along the Israeli border, or the fact that egypt kicked the UN out of the Sinai peninsula.. how dare Israel attack
Apart from the fact that he's wrong...........lowing wrote:
Ahhhh, so you are giving permission for Israel to be paranoid of their neighbors. bout time you seen it our way.
The difference is that Israel is hated because of it's aggressiveness, it isn't aggressive because of it's hatefulness.
Ever here of cruise missiles?, b52's, or b2's? You do realize we have subs in the region, I hope. I'm not saying thats the right action but military action does not have to be an invasion.aardfrith wrote:
3. Military action. Completely daft. Millions of SK citizens will die - NK has enough conventional weapons to flatten Seoul.
Anything I've missed?
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