not a chemical imbalance, not often actually (my wife's in her final year of an MA with honors in psychology, we were just talking about this), it mostly has to do with Emotional instability.
It can be one or more of several reasons, one of which is an inability to produce enough serotonin (i.e. a chemial imbalance). It certainly doesn't ALWAYS have to be about emotional instability.jarhedch wrote:
not a chemical imbalance, not often actually (my wife's in her final year of an MA with honors in psychology, we were just talking about this), it mostly has to do with Emotional instability.
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I didn't say it was always about it, but quite often it is, but especially int he under 25 crowd, there's more issues with emotional instability coupled with emotinal immaturity than it is to do with chemical imbalance. There's only so much drugs can do. I had many friends in high school attempt suicide, they weren't chemically imbalanced, just emotinally immature and unstable, once they were counselled out of it, they were fine, no drugs needed.
Why do people kill themselves?
Because they want to.
We all have to die at somepoint and sometimes some people just decide "I've had enough, I want off this ride".
Because they want to.
We all have to die at somepoint and sometimes some people just decide "I've had enough, I want off this ride".
You post the most incredibly stupid stuff sometimes and this is one of those times, hope for your sake you dont keep that attitude for the rest of your life or you will be in for a surprice - a 1337 surprice !cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
But by suiciding for love is Emo enough... I just broke up with my GF yesterday and last night I got a new one... I'm just too 1337, why can't people be 1337 like me?
Suiciders at their attempt of killing themselves dont have the same perspective of seing beyond today as they only consentrate of being in a world of shit and feeling sorry for themselves.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
it may be a chemical imbalance, but suiciders are the most selfish people on the planet. they only think of themseles, of there own pain. they dont think of what ther efaimly will have to go through, the kind of stigma thats going to be attached to them, what there friends and other people they know will think and go through. What can posses you to kill yourself? Chemical imbalance in the brain? too much pain? or no thought for anyone but yourself maybe?
People who are in that state are not thinking like normal rational human beings and have little or no control of their own thoughts.Hawk390 wrote:
it may be a chemical imbalance, but suiciders are the most selfish people on the planet. they only think of themseles, of there own pain. they dont think of what ther efaimly will have to go through, the kind of stigma thats going to be attached to them, what there friends and other people they know will think and go through. What can posses you to kill yourself? Chemical imbalance in the brain? too much pain? or no thought for anyone but yourself maybe?
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That was just a change from team america... I seriously don't do that shit in real life.Varegg wrote:
You post the most incredibly stupid stuff sometimes and this is one of those times, hope for your sake you dont keep that attitude for the rest of your life or you will be in for a surprice - a 1337 surprice !cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
But by suiciding for love is Emo enough... I just broke up with my GF yesterday and last night I got a new one... I'm just too 1337, why can't people be 1337 like me?
Suiciders at their attempt of killing themselves dont have the same perspective of seing beyond today as they only consentrate of being in a world of shit and feeling sorry for themselves.
People who even consider suicide need conciling, they need help. That girl doesn't know how to control her emotions.
Ya'll are some heartless fucks. Shoestrings for fucks sake. From a fan. I don't really know what I expected from this crowd tho. . .maybe just a sorry, RIP.
surprisingly, i actually have to agree with cameron on this one, People who are suicidal are not healthy mentally, be it chemical or otherwise, and need help, not for jerks to spit on their grave and accuse them of being selfish. People who do that are selfish themselves, all they do is worry about their own feelings when someone takes their own life instead of thinking about the state the poor person must have been in to do it to themselves. Yes, the poor family that has to go throug this, but to accuse the deceased of selfishness is nothing mroe than saying they deserved it. If you're not going to contribute positively to this forum, then please don't throw insults at those who can't defend themselves.
Agreed, You have my sympathies Aenima. I think a lot of these guys have been spending too much time in front of a computer emotionally detaching themselves from the world. here's a RIP from me.Aenima_Eyes wrote:
Ya'll are some heartless fucks. Shoestrings for fucks sake. From a fan. I don't really know what I expected from this crowd tho. . .maybe just a sorry, RIP.
Cameron, fuckin A post.
My sympathies dude. Ignore the uneducated dolts on this board. As discussed with Dareja in IRC last night, they all have a place in hell with EA and DICE
My sympathies dude. Ignore the uneducated dolts on this board. As discussed with Dareja in IRC last night, they all have a place in hell with EA and DICE
Well man, you do have my condolences. Who cares why she did it, if she was wrong or right, that doesn't matter. She is gone and it is time to give the people affected some support.Aenima_Eyes wrote:
Ya'll are some heartless fucks. Shoestrings for fucks sake. From a fan. I don't really know what I expected from this crowd tho. . .maybe just a sorry, RIP.
RIP
Takes balls to admit it +1CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life.
I never could figure out why they would make a medicine for it that increases the likelihood of suicidal thought
It's because it's a science in its infancy and they can't say why for sure a certain drug works on one person and works differently on another or why EXACTLY it works at all. It's a tad worrying...kr@cker wrote:
I never could figure out why they would make a medicine for it that increases the likelihood of suicidal thought
As someone else who has clinical depression, also hereditary, I try not to think it's impossible for others to understand. Maybe that's my way of dealing with it. Maybe they can't understand that we can be unhappy for no real reason, or that negative events can be devastating, but they can empathize on a situational basis I think. They started me on anti-depressants when I was 5. Went through so many, they all eventually stopped working. I got tired of it. I've been off of them for 4 years now. Don't medicate in anyway either, drinking, drugs, smoking. Would I say my life is the greatest without anti-depressants? No. Individually, I'm happier knowing I can do without them. I hate the idea that I need a pill to live a "normal" life. I'd rather try and have said normal life through my own efforts. If they work for you, that's great, but honestly, I can't think of anyone that I haven't tried.CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works. Being rejected by her boyfriend was likely only a trigger that prompted her to carry out the suicide, the underlying depression that led to her suicide probably being far far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I can see from a lot of the childish remarks on this thread that some people are very poorly educated about matters of the health of the human mind. You should all shut the fuck up, you really have no idea. Read some psychology books maybe.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life. If people were better educated about matters of the mind and could spot the tell-tale signs in those that suffer, many needless suicides could be avoided.
Been there, done that with the suicidal thoughts. I'm still here. I suffer from rather serious depression, but to do so over a breakup like the one described seems like a bit more than depression to me. I understand it's hard for people to get help too. I don't know about those suicide hotlines, but you say anything about suicide to a "mental health professional" and you're sent to the loony bin and put under close supervision. I don't know why, but I've got my own personal disdain for suicides. Think it's got to do with the whole I don't need pills and I'm ok thing. Was the girl even diagnosed or on anything for it?
5 years old. That is very early to be prescribed medication, especially given how strong an impact certain types can have and the delicacy of the developing mind. I started when I was 21 and haven't really looked back. They work for me and don't impact on my personality in anyway other than to resolve the irrational depression that was destroying my life. Going to the doctor was the absolute FINAL resort for me when I reached my absolute lowest ebb and in hindsight, I should have went sooner. It is now almost impossible for me to remember what it is like to feel as bad as I once did, it was like being possessed by some kind of self-hating confidence-sapping alien entity over which I had no control.Ikarti wrote:
As someone else who has clinical depression, also hereditary, I try not to think it's impossible for others to understand. Maybe that's my way of dealing with it. Maybe they can't understand that we can be unhappy for no real reason, or that negative events can be devastating, but they can empathize on a situational basis I think. They started me on anti-depressants when I was 5. Went through so many, they all eventually stopped working. I got tired of it. I've been off of them for 4 years now. Don't medicate in anyway either, drinking, drugs, smoking. Would I say my life is the greatest without anti-depressants? No. Individually, I'm happier knowing I can do without them. I hate the idea that I need a pill to live a "normal" life. I'd rather try and have said normal life through my own efforts. If they work for you, that's great, but honestly, I can't think of anyone that I haven't tried.
Been there, done that with the suicidal thoughts. I'm still here. I suffer from rather serious depression, but to do so over a breakup like the one described seems like a bit more than depression to me. I understand it's hard for people to get help too. I don't know about those suicide hotlines, but you say anything about suicide to a "mental health professional" and you're sent to the loony bin and put under close supervision. I don't know why, but I've got my own personal disdain for suicides. Think it's got to do with the whole I don't need pills and I'm ok thing. Was the girl even diagnosed or on anything for it?
In Ireland we have quite a high suicide rate in the countryside and it has sparked a massive campaign of mental health awareness and it is now quite acceptable to talk openly about it although few do. I always make no bones about it and if the topic comes up I talk openly about the depression I suffered/suffer from. It is surprising how many people you encounter who are actually in the same or a similar boat to you, but only open up when they meet someone who doesn't mind talking about it. I don't feel ashamed about it one bit. If you have a broken leg you get a doctor to set a cast on your leg. If you suffer from clinical depression (and we aren't talking, as you well know, about 'feeling a little sad' here) you go to a doctor and get counselling and try different medications until one that works for you is found.
I never actually seriously considered suicide because deep down I knew I would break my 'no drugs, no doctors' policy if the worst came to the worst. I fully understand how someone would commit suicide and wouldn't look on it with any disdain. People who commit suicide are not themselves when they carry out such an act.
intreseting, what happens if you stop taking the medication are you depressed 24/7 and what is the severity of the depression, enough to kill yourself?CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works. Being rejected by her boyfriend was likely only a trigger that prompted her to carry out the suicide, the underlying depression that led to her suicide probably being far far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I can see from a lot of the childish remarks on this thread that some people are very poorly educated about matters of the health of the human mind. You should all shut the fuck up, you really have no idea. Read some psychology books maybe.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life. If people were better educated about matters of the mind and could spot the tell-tale signs in those that suffer, many needless suicides could be avoided.
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and welcome to you to eyer 2006 an progress has stand still............ lolBubbalo wrote:
Suicide is a sin. She should be burned at the stake for being a heretic. Go Christian morals!
The medication has a long cycle so the effects of ceasing to take it would not be felt for at least a few weeks. You kind of build up a deposit of it in your system that would deplete slowly if you stopped. It is impossible to put into words the abject depths to which the mind can plunge, so completely irrational. I can almost empathise with what it might be like to be insane, so irrational do your thoughts become. Paranoia, complete absence of self-confidence, 24/7 hollow feeling in your chest, a bleak bleak blackness in the future in which you can see no hope or point in suffering through - things that, when healthy, you realise are completely ridiculous, but in that state you just cannot control your mind. You come to be at the mercy of a malicious unconscious mind deep underneath the surface of your mind, constantly trying to grind you down from the inside. I would not kill myself but I know, as I knew when I started medication, that I could not continue to suffer as I did for much longer. The medication is designed that you become used to having adequate levels of serotonin and your mind should pick up the slack production-wise, at which point you can slowly wean yourself off it. The drugs are not addictive. I just haven't properly attempted to come off them yet. I did it once, far too quickly, and had the most monstrous 24/7 headache for about a week and a half, at which point I started taking them again.deadawakeing wrote:
intreseting, what happens if you stop taking the medication are you depressed 24/7 how what is the severity of the depression, enough to kill yourself?CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works. Being rejected by her boyfriend was likely only a trigger that prompted her to carry out the suicide, the underlying depression that led to her suicide probably being far far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I can see from a lot of the childish remarks on this thread that some people are very poorly educated about matters of the health of the human mind. You should all shut the fuck up, you really have no idea. Read some psychology books maybe.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life. If people were better educated about matters of the mind and could spot the tell-tale signs in those that suffer, many needless suicides could be avoided.
My mother really bought into the whole therapy/psychologist thing. That's how I started so young. Because I acted up in preschool. A lot of people talk about the confidence thing and I don't really get it. I always feel like it's more motivational for me when I'm in a bad spot. Yeah, I could, but what's the point? I guess it could be considered lacking confidence in that doing whatever will not change anything.CameronPoe wrote:
5 years old. That is very early to be prescribed medication, especially given how strong an impact certain types can have and the delicacy of the developing mind. I started when I was 21 and haven't really looked back. They work for me and don't impact on my personality in anyway other than to resolve the irrational depression that was destroying my life. Going to the doctor was the absolute FINAL resort for me when I reached my absolute lowest ebb and in hindsight, I should have went sooner. It is now almost impossible for me to remember what it is like to feel as bad as I once did, it was like being possessed by some kind of self-hating confidence-sapping alien entity over which I had no control.
In Ireland we have quite a high suicide rate in the countryside and it has sparked a massive campaign of mental health awareness and it is now quite acceptable to talk openly about it although few do. I always make no bones about it and if the topic comes up I talk openly about the depression I suffered/suffer from. It is surprising how many people you encounter who are actually in the same or a similar boat to you, but only open up when they meet someone who doesn't mind talking about it. I don't feel ashamed about it one bit. If you have a broken leg you get a doctor to set a cast on your leg. If you suffer from clinical depression (and we aren't talking, as you well know, about 'feeling a little sad' here) you go to a doctor and get counselling and try different medications until one that works for you is found.
I never actually seriously considered suicide because deep down I knew I would break my 'no drugs, no doctors' policy if the worst came to the worst. I fully understand how someone would commit suicide and wouldn't look on it with any disdain. People who commit suicide are not themselves when they carry out such an act.
The point about so many people having similar experiences is why I don't feel so special about having and feeling like no one can relate. They can. I heard on some Zoloft commercial awhile back that 2 million Americans have clinical depression. Seems like more than that to me. I more or less think that someone who doesn't suffer from clinical depression can feel as bad as someone who does given the proper circumstances, which is why I think they can empathize.
Other thing worth mentioning is the drugs do not take effect right away. I know with some it takes as long as 3 weeks to work.CameronPoe wrote:
The medication has a long cycle so the effects of ceasing to take it would not be felt for at least a few weeks. You kind of build up a deposit of it in your system that would deplete slowly if you stopped. It is impossible to put into words the abject depths to which the mind can plunge, so completely irrational. I can almost empathise with what it might be like to be insane, so irrational do your thoughts become. Paranoia, complete absence of self-confidence, 24/7 hollow feeling in your chest, a bleak bleak blackness in the future in which you can see no hope or point in suffering through - things that, when healthy, you realise are completely ridiculous, but in that state you just cannot control your mind. You come to be at the mercy of a malicious unconscious mind deep underneath the surface of your mind, constantly trying to grind you down from the inside. I would not kill myself but I know, as I knew when I started medication, that I could not continue to suffer as I did for much longer. The medication is designed that you become used to having adequate levels of serotonin and your mind should pick up the slack production-wise, at which point you can slowly wean yourself off it. The drugs are not addictive. I just haven't properly attempted to come off them yet. I did it once, far too quickly, and had the most monstrous 24/7 headache for about a week and a half, at which point I started taking them again.deadawakeing wrote:
intreseting, what happens if you stop taking the medication are you depressed 24/7 how what is the severity of the depression, enough to kill yourself?CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works. Being rejected by her boyfriend was likely only a trigger that prompted her to carry out the suicide, the underlying depression that led to her suicide probably being far far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I can see from a lot of the childish remarks on this thread that some people are very poorly educated about matters of the health of the human mind. You should all shut the fuck up, you really have no idea. Read some psychology books maybe.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life. If people were better educated about matters of the mind and could spot the tell-tale signs in those that suffer, many needless suicides could be avoided.
On the empathy thing I would use my father as an example:Ikarti wrote:
My mother really bought into the whole therapy/psychologist thing. That's how I started so young. Because I acted up in preschool. A lot of people talk about the confidence thing and I don't really get it. I always feel like it's more motivational for me when I'm in a bad spot. Yeah, I could, but what's the point? I guess it could be considered lacking confidence in that doing whatever will not change anything.
The point about so many people having similar experiences is why I don't feel so special about having and feeling like no one can relate. They can. I heard on some Zoloft commercial awhile back that 2 million Americans have clinical depression. Seems like more than that to me. I more or less think that someone who doesn't suffer from clinical depression can feel as bad as someone who does given the proper circumstances, which is why I think they can empathize.
"Just snap out of it!"
"What exactly is the problem? You have nothing to complain about."
etc., etc.
He concedes himself now that he couldn't and can't understand but now accepts that it isn't simply just 'someone going through a bad time'. Like my mother before me, I suffered long and hard for many years before seeking help (something my mother didn't do, because in those days it would be "Off to the loonybin with you") for depression that was completely unresponsive to counselling. People who read my posts should realise that I am a pretty logical and rational human being and I have long been completely self aware - no amount of self-analysis and rationalising 'why' I was depressed came to anything.
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I see what you're saying though. My father never bought into it like my mother did, that helped me gain a more realistic perspective on it for me. He understood that it wasn't just a bad time, but he always told me that I couldn't just let it stop me. More or less the approach I took with getting off the pill and therapy and all. Maybe it could help me, but I still got a bad taste in my mouth from it.CameronPoe wrote:
On the empathy thing I would use my father as an example:
"Just snap out of it!"
"What exactly is the problem? You have nothing to complain about."
etc., etc.
He concedes himself now that he couldn't and can't understand but now accepts that it isn't simply just 'someone going through a bad time'. Like my mother before me, I suffered long and hard for many years before seeking help (something my mother didn't do, because in those days it would be "Off to the loonybin with you") for depression that was completely unresponsive to counselling.