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2006-10-07 04:59:50
unnamednewbie13
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Bubbalo wrote:

I doubt the North Koreans would have much chance there.  Whilst their ground forces are determined and (SFAIK) well trained, the South Koreans have a significant technological advantage, and can rely on the assistance of US carrier groups.  Having said that, it could cause tensions with China, who might be concerned with the US military activity so close to their homeland.
And at the same time, China would be disgruntled at North Korean nuclear activity, even if such weren't used during a conventional invasion.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-10-07 05:00:57)

2006-10-07 05:02:36
Bubbalo
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I doubt it.  Whilst North Korea isn't a puppet state, the North Koreans and Chinese have always had good relations.  Then again, they may grow concerned that the North Koreans are antagonising the US.  Hm..............
2006-10-07 07:29:37
Capt. Foley
Member
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Bubbalo wrote:

I doubt it.  Whilst North Korea isn't a puppet state, the North Koreans and Chinese have always had good relations.  Then again, they may grow concerned that the North Koreans are antagonising the US.  Hm..............
Yea its all a "what if". I mean you made a good point earlier that if you saw nukes falling near your country, plus attacks on a country near you WHICH you have good relations with...who knows. Then again China needs us for trade so...
2006-10-07 07:33:11
Capt. Foley
Member
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Bubbalo wrote:

TheDoctor wrote:

and we know if they do, they'd be jumped by soo many forces its not funny.
You manage to miss the point entirely:

People get so hung up on words like "terrorist" and "nuclear" that they miss the actualy threats.
True very true, a bunch of chemical and biological weapons is ALOT ALOT ALOT worse then 1 nuclear weapon.
2006-10-07 17:49:04
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
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They're certainly getting a bit skittish at the DMZ this weekend

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/1 … index.html

CNN wrote:

Korea tension: 60 shots fired

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- Gunfire rang out Saturday along the heavily armed no man's land separating the divided Koreas, as regional tensions mounted in anticipation of communist North Korea's plan to test its first atomic bomb.

South Korean soldiers fired 60 shots as a warning after five North Korean soldiers crossed a boundary in the Demilitarized Zone separating the two country's forces, South Korean military officials said.

It was unclear whether the North Korean advance was intended as a provocation, or was rather an attempt to go fishing at a nearby stream, an official at South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said on condition of anonymity, citing official policy.

Four of the North Koreans were unarmed and the fifth carried a rifle, the official said. No one was hurt, and the North Koreans retreated.

While such border skirmishes are not unheard of, they are relatively rare. Saturday's incursion was only the second this year, the official said. The North sometimes orchestrates border skirmishes to jack up tensions at sensitive moments in international standoffs.

Earlier in the day, North Korea's neighbors applauded a U.N. Security Council statement warning the country not to follow through on its threats to test its first nuclear weapon, perhaps as early as Sunday. Japan said it will push for punitive measures if Pyongyang doesn't heed international opinion.

The statement adopted by the council on Friday also called on North Korea to return immediately to talks on scrapping its nuclear weapons program or face unspecified consequences.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry issued a statement Saturday saying it supported the appeal and also urging its isolated, communist neighbor to resume the long-stalled six-nation talks.

"North Korea must clearly recognize that a nuclear test would not help the North itself in any way," South Korea said. "North Korea should be held responsible for any consequences that could be caused by a test."

Stepping up shuttle diplomacy, South Korea's nuclear envoy said he will visit Beijing on Monday for two days of talks with Chinese officials about the nuclear test.

Separately, Japan's Foreign Ministry said it sees a nuclear test by North Korea as "a grave threat to the peace and security of northeast Asia and the world" and welcomed the Security Council statement.

"If North Korea conducts a nuclear weapons test despite the concerns expressed by international society, the Security Council must adopt a resolution outlining severely punitive measures," the ministry said in a statement.

The statement adopted unanimously on Friday expresses "deep concern" over North Korea's announcement Tuesday that it planned a test, a move that would confirm strong suspicions it is a nuclear power.

The warning was read at a formal meeting by the council president, Ambassador Kenzo Oshima of Japan, who indicated that the North could face sanctions or possible military action if it detonates a nuclear device.

The council acted amid speculation that a nuclear test could come on Sunday, the anniversary of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il's appointment as head of the Korean Workers' Party in 1997. Japanese Vice Foreign Minister Shotaro Yachi, currently in Washington, told Japan's TV Asahi, "Based on the development so far, it would be best to view that a test is possible this weekend."

With tensions rising, Kim met hundreds of top North Korean top military commanders and urged them to bolster the nation's defenses, as officers cheered, "Fight at the cost of our lives!" the North's official Korean Central News Agency reported Friday.

A North Korea expert in China, the North's closest ally, said only the removal of American economic sanctions against Pyongyang could dissuade the country from carrying out a nuclear test.

"North Korea has already made a decision to carry out a test," said Li Dunqiu, of China's State Council Development Research Center, a Cabinet-level think tank. But "if the U.S. removes sanctions ... then tensions can be eased. Otherwise launching a nuclear test is unavoidable for North Korea."

The United States imposed economic restrictions on North Korea last year to punish it for alleged counterfeiting and money laundering. Since late last year, North Korea has boycotted six-nation talks aimed at dismantling its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea said Tuesday it decided to act in the face of what it claimed was "the U.S. extreme threat of a nuclear war," but gave no date for the test. Washington has repeatedly said it has no intention of invading North Korea.

Both China and Russia have urged the United States and North Korea to hold talks.

But Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said U.S. Ambassador John Bolton told the council that there would be no North Korean-U.S. talks except in the margins of resumed six-party talks.

Bolton said the Security Council needs to adopt a long-term strategy to deal with North Korea but the top U.S. priority now is to stop a nuclear test.

Oshima, the Japanese U.N. ambassador, had pressed to have the statement adopted before Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe travels to China on Sunday and South Korea on Monday with a message that the North should stop testing.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
2006-10-07 18:09:41
Bubbalo
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Capt. Foley wrote:

Yea its all a "what if". I mean you made a good point earlier that if you saw nukes falling near your country, plus attacks on a country near you WHICH you have good relations with...who knows. Then again China needs us for trade so...
Only as much as you need them.  China is too big to be snubbed out now like they were after Tianenman.
2006-10-07 19:12:20
ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ
Banned
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Bubbalo wrote:

Miller wrote:

We should've dealt with North Korea long ago.
You tried.  You failed.
Thats funny I bet if you asked The millions os South Koreans they wouldnt call it a failure. The struggle wasnt with Korea it was with Russian and Chinese support.

Bubbalo wrote:

I doubt it.  Whilst North Korea isn't a puppet state, the North Koreans and Chinese have always had good relations.
You like making stuff up .. China basically hates Korea. Aside from the refugees that cross thier borders causing a strain on thier economy they are the main destabilizing force in southeast Asia. China has openly opposed N Koreas nuclear ambitions.
2006-10-08 01:43:45
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6835|SE London

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I doubt it.  Whilst North Korea isn't a puppet state, the North Koreans and Chinese have always had good relations.
You like making stuff up .. China basically hates Korea. Aside from the refugees that cross thier borders causing a strain on thier economy they are the main destabilizing force in southeast Asia. China has openly opposed N Koreas nuclear ambitions.
China and North Korea DO have relatively good relations. It is quite a grey area though and relations have been put under considerable strain lately. China have openly opposed North Koreas nuclear program, but continue to provide economic aid and military support to North Korea. They did vote for the latest UN resolution against North Korea though and the state of relations between the two countries right now is not the best it's ever been.

Nevertheless:

The Minister of Foreign Affairs of Korea, Ban Ki Moon wrote:

China is likely to maintain its friendly relations with North Korea to stabilize the political situations of the region which will favor to China's economic development.
In 2001 the Chinese President, Jiang Zemin pledged further support for North Korea and said that "further friendship" between the two nations would promote peace in the region.

China doesn't hate North Korea, although they're getting quite pissed off at them at the moment.


The US did not fail to deal with North Korea. They saved South Korea from invasion and contained a tyranical dictator for a very long time.
2006-10-08 02:05:00
ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ
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China supports Nkorea becuase they are both commie dictatorships. China supported the USSR but hated them .. the same is with NKorea and actually the Koreans have had a tenuous relationship with china for centuries. They resisted Chinese control and along with Vietnam the only country not to bend to the "Sino" will. My pops went to China recently and he reinforced my opinion with his convos with Chinese that its a very strained relationship for a long time with the only common factor that keeps them amicable is their communist dictator leadership.
2006-10-08 07:25:47
Capt. Foley
Member
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Bubbalo wrote:

Capt. Foley wrote:

Yea its all a "what if". I mean you made a good point earlier that if you saw nukes falling near your country, plus attacks on a country near you WHICH you have good relations with...who knows. Then again China needs us for trade so...
Only as much as you need them.  China is too big to be snubbed out now like they were after Tianenman.
No China would be good for the US economy probably. We dont exactly need them to sell stuff to, anyways there better at just buying 1 and copying it. Anyways to them "copy right" means to them that they can copy it...
2006-10-08 07:28:38
Capt. Foley
Member
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ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

China supports Nkorea becuase they are both commie dictatorships. China supported the USSR but hated them .. the same is with NKorea and actually the Koreans have had a tenuous relationship with china for centuries. They resisted Chinese control and along with Vietnam the only country not to bend to the "Sino" will. My pops went to China recently and he reinforced my opinion with his convos with Chinese that its a very strained relationship for a long time with the only common factor that keeps them amicable is their communist dictator leadership.
True, in the 60s Russia and China had a few board skirmishes but they still supported eachother. Theres only a few countrys left in the world that are commie and the like to support eachother.
2006-10-08 07:41:48
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6815

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Miller wrote:

We should've dealt with North Korea long ago.
You tried.  You failed.
Thats funny I bet if you asked The millions os South Koreans they wouldnt call it a failure. The struggle wasnt with Korea it was with Russian and Chinese support.
What are you on?  The comment was, basically, you should have invaded North Korea long ago.  The US, with allies, tried that, and failed.  Whether or not South Korea remained free is irrelevant, nor is what support the North Koreans recieved (and, FYI, Russian support was pretty limited, and Chinese support was basically the Red Army once the US reached the border).

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

China supports Nkorea becuase they are both commie dictatorships.
Nothing about China is Communist: they are both dictatorships, but that has nothing to do with their alliance.  Their alliance has more to do with the fact that they opposed the US together, and when the Sino-Soviet split widened the North Koreans sided with China.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

China supported the USSR but hated them ..
Uh...............what?  When has China ever supported the USSR?  The USSR gave support to China, which was withdrawn because Stalin didn't much like them and suddenly realised they weren't going to sit back and be his lap-dog.  The only reason China had accepted the support is because they desperately needed it: Mao had always preferred the idea of US assistance.  Further, as soon as the Soviets withdrew support, China began severing relations.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

the same is with NKorea and actually the Koreans have had a tenuous relationship with china for centuries.
Uh.......what?  Prior to Communist takeover China had very little relations outside China, and did nothing outside China (which is why part of the reason the Communists got so much support:  Chiang Kai Shek and the GMD did little to fight the Japanese, which upset the masses).  Before the Nationalists, they were practically a colony.  Before that they were unchallenged rulers of Asia, and Korea (along with just about everyone else) paid tribute to them.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

They resisted Chinese control and along with Vietnam the only country not to bend to the "Sino" will.
What about Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Japan, South Korea......................

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

My pops went to China recently and he reinforced my opinion with his convos with Chinese that its a very strained relationship for a long time with the only common factor that keeps them amicable is their communist dictator leadership.
Uh-huh.......despite the fact that Kim Jong-Il makes frequent visits to China and has expressed a wish to make changes similar to Deng Xiao-Pengs changes, we should listen to your "pops".  That'll totally work.  Really, you should contact Bush, and tell him about your dad.  Get him hired as a political advisor or something.  I mean, such brilliance going to waste.  How terrible.
2006-10-08 07:44:35
Cybargs
Moderated
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FFS China is more of a capitalist society than the USA... Communism would fail in China culturally, since chinese people love to have their own business.
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2006-10-08 07:46:31
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6815

Capt. Foley wrote:

True, in the 60s Russia and China had a few board skirmishes but they still supported eachother. Theres only a few countrys left in the world that are commie and the like to support eachother.
Whether Russia was ever Communist is debatable, but they certainly aren't now, nor is China.  And the Sino-Soviet split was more than just a few border skirmishes.  The Chinese invasion of Vietnam, for example, was due in part to the Sino-Soviet split.  It was a huge rift, resulting from a large number of differences and grievances.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

FFS China is more of a capitalist society than the USA... Communism would fail in China culturally, since chinese people love to have their own business.
We may disagree on Taiwan, but at least you get the basics right

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2006-10-08 07:49:22
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6970

Bubbalo wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

FFS China is more of a capitalist society than the USA... Communism would fail in China culturally, since chinese people love to have their own business.
We may disagree on Taiwan, but at least you get the basics right
But Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese Or uber sexay chick magnet aboriginese like me are Dutch/ Polynesian decent.
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2006-10-08 08:18:36
ATG
Banned
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Bubbalo wrote:

Nothing about China is Communist:
Only because in your wet dreams China is not the ideal communist state you'd like to see established.



Unreal.
2006-10-08 10:05:15
CameronPoe
Member
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King_County_Downy wrote:

North Korea is small enough to be carpet bombed in 2 days. They know this.
In fact that's already been done in the past.
2006-10-08 11:01:57
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6835|SE London

Bubbalo wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


You tried.  You failed.
Thats funny I bet if you asked The millions os South Koreans they wouldnt call it a failure. The struggle wasnt with Korea it was with Russian and Chinese support.
What are you on?  The comment was, basically, you should have invaded North Korea long ago.  The US, with allies, tried that, and failed.  Whether or not South Korea remained free is irrelevant, nor is what support the North Koreans recieved (and, FYI, Russian support was pretty limited, and Chinese support was basically the Red Army once the US reached the border).
I don't think you've got your facts quite straight here. The US went in to defend South Korea after the North Koreans mounted an invasion. The Russians supplied 100s of tanks and planes. Russian support on the ground was limited, but technological support in the form of the T-34 and the Mig-15 (J2 in China) were crucial. The Chinese involvement was in no way limited, 100s of 1000s of Chinese troops were involved in the conflict. You can't really claim the US failled, since they repelled the invasion, which was their objective. The war isn't over anyway, they can't have lost what hasn't finished. The South Koreans also ended up with more territory than they had before I believe.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Korean_war_1950-1953.gif/100px-Korean_war_1950-1953.gif

Bubbalo wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

China supports Nkorea becuase they are both commie dictatorships.
Nothing about China is Communist: they are both dictatorships, but that has nothing to do with their alliance.  Their alliance has more to do with the fact that they opposed the US together, and when the Sino-Soviet split widened the North Koreans sided with China.
China IS communist. There can be no denying it. They are slipping away from the communist economic model, but their government is still very much communist.

Bubbalo wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

China supported the USSR but hated them ..
Uh...............what?  When has China ever supported the USSR?  The USSR gave support to China, which was withdrawn because Stalin didn't much like them and suddenly realised they weren't going to sit back and be his lap-dog.  The only reason China had accepted the support is because they desperately needed it: Mao had always preferred the idea of US assistance.  Further, as soon as the Soviets withdrew support, China began severing relations.
I certainly can't think of anytime that China have supported the US. It was all take, take, take.

Bubbalo wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

the same is with NKorea and actually the Koreans have had a tenuous relationship with china for centuries.
Uh.......what?  Prior to Communist takeover China had very little relations outside China, and did nothing outside China (which is why part of the reason the Communists got so much support:  Chiang Kai Shek and the GMD did little to fight the Japanese, which upset the masses).  Before the Nationalists, they were practically a colony.  Before that they were unchallenged rulers of Asia, and Korea (along with just about everyone else) paid tribute to them.
True.

Bubbalo wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

My pops went to China recently and he reinforced my opinion with his convos with Chinese that its a very strained relationship for a long time with the only common factor that keeps them amicable is their communist dictator leadership.
Uh-huh.......despite the fact that Kim Jong-Il makes frequent visits to China and has expressed a wish to make changes similar to Deng Xiao-Pengs changes, we should listen to your "pops".
I think he might mean that the Chinese people are generally not in favour of China's continued support of North Korea. There has been criticism of the support in the Chinese media, which is a rare thing in China, since the media is pretty much entirely controlled by the state.

If not his pops is just wrong.
2006-10-08 13:40:50
ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ
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+69|6755

Bubbalo wrote:

What are you on?  The comment was, basically, you should have invaded North Korea long ago.  The US, with allies, tried that, and failed.  Whether or not South Korea remained free is irrelevant, nor is what support the North Koreans recieved (and, FYI, Russian support was pretty limited, and Chinese support was basically the Red Army once the US reached the border).
Your knowledge on the subject of the Korean war is nonexistant.

Bubbalo wrote:

When has China ever supported the USSR?
*see korea vietnam*

Bubbalo wrote:

Prior to Communist takeover China had very little relations outside China
Note I said centuries. Korea has had a dozen wars with the various forms of chinese rule.

Bubbalo wrote:

What about Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Japan, South Korea
The context is ancient history.... I did forget Japan. The rest of those contries were ruled by the Han dynasty and the Mongols later

Bubbalo wrote:

Uh-huh.......despite the fact that Kim Jong-Il makes frequent visits to China and has expressed a wish to make changes similar to Deng Xiao-Pengs changes, we should listen to your "pops".
Yes douchebag thats just a first person hands on account from a Chinese perspective. If you dont accept that It really doesnt matter becuase their tenuous relationship is very public. They have the mututal circumstances of being an opressive communist system and their continuing rule helps preserve Chinas position. They really dont have alot of other communist neighbors to turn to. There is alot of anti Korean sentiment near the border where illegal Korean immigrants take jobs and put a strain on the allready struggling economy.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

FFS China is more of a capitalist society than the USA... Communism would fail in China culturally, since chinese people love to have their own business.
Thats kinda funny seeing as Chinas had a capitolist-esque  system a grand total of maybe 5 years? Dont forget about the 50 years before.. That and they are still communist. I got no interest in gettign into the sematics of whether or not China has achi9eved some Marxist ideal and whether or not they should wear the name Communist.. thats what they call themselves thats the system theyve been closest to resembling so thats what they are caled. That and the PRC govt calls themself commie to the world.
2006-10-10 04:57:05
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6815
Re: Korean War:  Regardless of the US' original intention, it eventually decided to invade North Korea, and was pushed back.

Re: China and USSR:  Yes, they sometimes contributed to the same conflicts.  Typically, however, this was as much a competition as anything else.  China viewed itself as being the leader of Communism in the Asian region, having created a version of Communism/Marxism that was more suitable to the situation (Maoism, which relied on peasants rather than the proletariat (urban worker class)), whilst the USSR was wanting to extend it's power into Asia, possibly to create a buffer zone like that in Europe, or possibly in an attempt to relive the glory days of the Russian Empire.  Whatever the reason, all semblance of co-operation was gone after the USSR withdrew engineers.  Indeed, pre-Communist victory the Russians had supported the Nationalists.  They have since started to rebuiled this relationship, but make no mistake: the Stalin and Mao hated each other.

Re: China & Communism:  China hasn't had a Communist ecoonomy since Deng Xiaopings capitalist reforms.  Whether China was Communist before this is debatable: certainly, they lacked any real industrial power, and so were not Marxist (make note, Marxism is pure Communism, all other forms (Leninism, Moaism, Trotskyism) are re-interpretations of Marxist ideals, either to fit the leaders view more appropriately (e.g. Leninism.  This can be done either because they are altruistic but have slightly different ideas, or because they are merely using Communism as a means to achieve power) or because Marxism is not appropriate (e.g. Maoism.  This could be done for any number of reasons: in the case of Maoism, it was due to China lacking an urban worker class)).  It could, however, be argued that, economically, they were still Communist.  Politically, however, is where those who claim that China's government is Communist show their ignorance:  Communism calls for the abolition of government after the interim government has established stability and peace.  Whether this is possible it debatable (my History class had a 1 and a 1/2 hour debate on it not long ago), but that is the ideal.  And this isn't my "wet dream" of what a Communist state should be.  It is what it is.  Just the same as if you buy a box of chocolate ice-cream, and it turns out to be vanilla so you take it back, you don't get told that just because it isn't what you think chocolate should be doesn't mean anything.  It isn't chocolate, regardless of the label.  And if we are to argue that China is Communist purely because their name says they are, we must also argue that they are Democratic: their names is, after all, the People's Republic of China.
2006-10-10 06:51:50
alpinestar
Member
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Let's put it this way America sponsors the North Korean nuclear capacity and then they are surprised ?
WTF?!?! sounds to me like case of "deee deee deee"
2006-10-10 10:30:28
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6803|Southeastern USA
what I like is that so many of the people shouting "destroy your nukes1!! you have nukes!!! your a bad person because you have nukes!!!" seem to be cheering on an oppressive abusive dictator for trying to obtain nukes........

now since we all seem to be following the "he can have them because 7 other nations do (or at least have some nuke tech)" frame of thought, any objections to us, the UK and/or the US for example, giving nuke tech to Japan and South Korea? after all, if kim can have them because we do, why can't they have them because kim does?
2006-10-10 22:36:42
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6815
Who's cheering him on?

I believe that, given that other countries have nukes, he has every right to have them.  The same goes for Japan and South Korea.

Having said that, I would feel a lot safer if as few countries as possible had nukes.
2006-10-11 00:04:58
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6855|132 and Bush

stryyker wrote:

If they launch, The missile will be intercepted, and 10 nations will haul ass and "liberate"
I'm not worried about them launching. I'm worried about them selling... As the great George Jefferson once said... "they be broke".
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-10-11 01:20:40
I2elik
Member
+12|7006|Perth, Western Australia
Yet no one seems to care or notice the fact that India has a larger weaponry capability and hasn't signed the Anti-Nuclear Proliferation treaty. What makes it even worse is we're the ones supplying them with uranium, which is most definetly being enriched and used in reactors as well as bombs.

Why is suddenly every country in the world going "OMFG BAD NORTH KOREA, BAD", when there are other countries with potentially more dangerous arsenals?

Note: I don't support the nuclear program in N.Korea in any form whatsoever, and in fact in any country, thought development of such weapons is inevitable, they must be removed as quickly as possible.

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