How utterly dense... using karma to try and make point! LOL Actually 611 + 252 = 863 nothings,
NOT "whooped yer ass bizatch."
ATG wrote:
Trying to deny that the ddt ban has killed millions?
Trying to deny that it was junk science to begin with?
Yet to see any rational statement backing up anything other than your discomfort at callings spades spades.
I love getting a rise out of you tools.
The pissed'r you get, the more threads I will make as your wrath pleases me.
You don't get it - I never get pissed at this crap... it's simple:
I think you are using language that makes you look/seem dense as a brick.
Any comment made (in relation to above) was directed at that - it is not about my blood pressure level (LOL). It is funny and absurd you even think it is.
I say make a point instead: you the "cliche-machine" parrot back "a spade is a spade."
The facts are malaria kills, so does HIV/AIDS, lack of clean water (ANOTHER BIG KILLER!), etc.
The (rural) Africa situation is a complicated issue - infant/child mortality is horrific numerically, it is waste of human resource and life. Africa needs to decide for itself. I never said don’t use DDT in Africa. And as far as I know the U.S. bannned DDT due to its links to birth defects, environmental concerns, declining effectiveness, etc (in the U.S.).
. . . one popular controversy involves CLAIMS that restrictions on the use DDT in vector control, imposed by various national governments, donor countries and international aid agencies, in response to pressure from environmentalists, has resulted in millions of unnecessary deaths. Claims of this kind commonly include reference to a ban on DDT (although it is still in use in malaria control) and (YET) refer specifically to the 1972 US ban, with the implication that this constituted a worldwide ban, and to Rachel Carson's “Silent Spring.” This international ban is supposed to have resulted in millions of malaria deaths: 90,500,000 as of January 2006, according to the ever-increasing "deathclock" at “junkscience.com,” and hundreds of thousands according to Nicholas Kristof. Popular author Michael Crichton states in his novel State of Fear:
“Since the supposed ban, two million people a year have died unnecessarily from malaria, mostly children. The ban has caused more than fifty million needless deaths. Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler.”
. . . “Silent Spring” undoubtedly influenced the U.S. ban on DDT in 1972, the reduced usage of DDT in malaria eradication began the decade before because of the emergence of DDT-resistant mosquitoes.
However, DDT has never been banned for use against Malaria in the tropics.
It is one thing to make a claim, it is another to prove it true.
Also this from:
http://www.malaria.org/DDTpage.htmlIn March 1999, the MFI and the MP wrote an open letter to treaty delegates arguing against a DDT ban without replacement.
It is about cutting off a future UN treaty ban.
And
Furthermore, the application of DDT that proved most troubling to environmentalists (and indeed, health officials) was; has been; in agriculture. Even as anti-malaria programs were reducing their usage of DDT, producers of cotton and other cash crops were spraying ever increasing amounts of the pesticide, further limiting DDT's overall effectiveness. As noted above, El Salvador actually saw its cases of malaria increase during years of high DDT usage, directly contradicting the claims of Crichton and others
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