BF2S Forums Demolition Expert Confirms WTC-7 Was "Controlled Demolition"

Last edited by LaidBackNinja (2006-10-03 08:19:15)

LaidBackNinja wrote:

FOR FUCK'S SAKE THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE TWIN TOWERS, BUT WTC7, AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT _FUCKING_ BUILDING. Jesus.

..ahem... I mean, please read the first post carefully people.

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Seriously. . .us not going to the Moon and it all being done in a Hollywood basement somewhere is MUCH more plausible than the Twin Towers and WC7 coming down because of a controlled demolition.  At least the Moon conspriacy theorists actually have a REASON for why the government would want to fake us going to the Moon.  I sure haven't seen very many people here explaining why Dubya and his evil doer cronies would want the towers to fall down.....

"Firehouse: Did that chief give an assignment to go to building 7?
Boyle: He gave out an assignment. I didn't know exactly what it was, but he told the chief that we were heading down to the site. Firehouse: How many companies?
Boyle: There were four engines and at least three trucks. So we're heading east on Vesey, we couldn't see much past Broadway. We couldn't see Church Street. We couldn't see what was down there. It was really smoky and dusty." 
"A little north of Vesey I said, we'll go down, let's see what's going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what's going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.
But they had a hoseline operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too. Then we received an order from Fellini, we're going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn't look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn't really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I'm standing next to said, that building doesn't look straight. So I'm standing there. I'm looking at the building. It didn't look right, but, well, we'll go in, we'll see.
So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandies came running up. He said forget it, nobody's going into 7, there's creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski  Source

"The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon was the collapse (Of the WTC towers) had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a 50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade did collapse, we [wouldn't] lose any more people. We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and approximately an hour and a half after that order was [given], at 5:30 in the afternoon, World Trade Center collapsed completely" - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department  Source

"Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers  Source

"Then we found out, I guess around 3:00 [o'clock], that they thought 7 was going to collapse. So, of course, [we've] got guys all in this pile over here and the main concern was get everybody out, and I guess it took us over an hour and a half, two hours to get everybody out of there. (Q. Initially when you were there, you had said you heard a few Maydays?) Oh, yes. We had Maydays like crazy.... The heat must have been tremendous. There was so much [expletive] fire there. This whole pile was burning like crazy. Just the heat and the smoke from all the other buildings on fire, you [couldn't] see anything. So it took us a while and we ended up backing everybody out, and [that's] when 7 collapsed.... Basically, we fell back for 7 to collapse, and then we waited a while and it got a lot more organized, I would guess." - Lieutenant William Ryan  Source

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we'll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day. Source

Hayden: Yeah. There was enough there and we were marking off. There were a lot of damaged apparatus there that were covered. We tried to get searches in those areas. By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.


Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away? Hayden: No, not right away, and that's probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn't make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.


Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7- did you have to get all of those people out? Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn't want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn't even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn't know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o'clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that's a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that's a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn't seem so bad. But that's what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn't want to lose any more people that day. And when those numbers start to set in among everybody- My feeling early on was we weren't going to find any survivors. You either made it out or you didn't make it out. It was a cataclysmic event. The idea of somebody living in that thing to me would have been only short of a miracle. This thing became geographically sectored because of the collapse. I was at West and Liberty. I couldn't go further north on West Street. And I couldn't go further east on Liberty because of the collapse of the south tower, so physically we were boxed in.
Source

WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC Towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there.  [Firehouse Magazine, 8/02]

Battalion Chief John Norman later recalls, "At the edge of the south face you could see that it is very heavily damaged." [Firehouse Magazine, 5/02]

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-10-03 13:01:00)

JimmyBotswana wrote:

I'm sure there will be lots of replies like "zomg this guy doesn't know anything he speaks a funny language I know the building came down due to fire because I am a 40 year old living in my mother's basement." Nonetheless, here it is.

This is an excerpt from a Dutch TV interview with an expert in controlled demolition, Danny Zowenko. He is shown a clip of WTC Building 7 collapsing but he does not know it is from the WTC or that it was on September 11. He says without a doubt that it was controlled demolition. He is then told what building it is and he cannot believe it, as most cannot either. This is yet another expert who has confirmed that controlled demolition was used on 9/11.

I'm sure there will be many who won't even watch the video and just dismiss it as crazy out of hand. That is their problem. If you don't even look at other evidence, you obviously are in the wrong section.

Here is more of the interview:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231

I tried to embed each of the three videos but it didn't work sorry.

Here is a link to two more experts on structural engineering, Hugo Bachmann and Jörg Schneider, who confirm WTC 7 was brought down by controlled demolition:

http://tagesanzeiger.ch/dyn/news/ausland/663864.html

QUOTE:

"Nach meiner Meinung ist das Gebäude WTC 7 mit grosser Wahrscheinlichkeit fachgerecht gesprengt worden», sagt Hugo Bachmann, emeritierter ETH-Professor für Baustatik und Konstruktion. Und auch Jörg Schneider, ebenfalls emeritierter ETH-Professor für Baustatik und Konstruktion, deutet die wenigen vorhandenen Videoaufnahmen als Hinweise, dass «das Gebäude WTC 7 mit grosser Wahrscheinlichkeit gesprengt wurde. "

"In my opinion WTC7 was with the utmost probability brought down by controlled demolition done by experts" says Hugo Bachmann, Professor emeritus for structural analysis and construction at ETH*. And also Jörg Schneider, another Professor emeritus for structural analysis and construction at ETH, interprets the small number of existing videos as indices that "WTC7 was with the utmost probability brought down by explosives".

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Seriously. . .us not going to the Moon and it all being done in a Hollywood basement somewhere is MUCH more plausible than the Twin Towers and WC7 coming down because of a controlled demolition.  At least the Moon conspriacy theorists actually have a REASON for why the government would want to fake us going to the Moon.  I sure haven't seen very many people here explaining why Dubya and his evil doer cronies would want the towers to fall down.....

I believe the theory (or at least one of the more plausible ones) is that explosive charges may have been placed in the buildings by "someone" with foreknowledge of the Al-Qaeda plot.  Bringing the buildings down maximizes the death and destruction, ensuring maximum psychological impact on the public, thus catalyzing them into support for the war effort.

Last edited by Aenima_Eyes (2006-10-03 13:20:44)

Miller wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Or why fly planes into them at all? The WTC had already been bombed before. Since their theory is they were rigged with explosives beforehand why not just do it Oklahoma City style?

That would work, I was just about to start about that then I saw you already did.

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

Miller wrote:

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

I believe the theory (or at least one of the more plausible ones) is that explosive charges may have been placed in the buildings by "someone" with foreknowledge of the Al-Qaeda plot.  Bringing the buildings down maximizes the death and destruction, ensuring maximum psychological impact on the public, thus catalyzing them into support for the war effort.

And what is your opinion on this? Option A: The Government with big bad bush brought it down, or, B: Al Quada put explosives inside the day before or something.

MY opinion...is that Larry Silverstein was the man with the controlled demolition plan.  He's the one who stood to gain the most from making the attacks planned by Al-Qaeda as disastrous as possible.  I think he had foreknowledge of the attacks, which prompted him to invest his money in acquiring the lease for the WTC twin towers.  He stands to nearly double the roughly $3 billion he invested through subsequent insurance claims.

I think the only government involvement in the attacks was simply that they didn't do anything to prevent them.  The people we have currently elected to power in this country have wanted a war in the Middle-East for a LONG time.  9/11 was their Pearl Harbor.

Kmarion wrote:

Or why fly planes into them at all? The WTC had already been bombed before. Since their theory is they were rigged with explosives beforehand why not just do it Oklahoma City style?