AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6896|Seattle, WA
At least some leader of an industrialized nation is.  Maybe the U.N. should ACTUALLY try doing something?

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-10-02-voa37.cfm

So we get bashed for going into Iraq, and now the U.N. is too wimpy assed to do a thing about Darfur.  They just continue to amaze me.  Your thoughts...
bogo24dk
Member
+26|6758
Oh come on. If Darfur had Oil he would be first in line to occupy it. But sad enough Africa is forgotten by the rest of the world. Remember Rwanda ???
captain_itchy_pants
Member
+13|6827
I just saw an ad asking Bush to do something about Darfur! I was a wee bit incensed by it due to the fact that the EU, UN, NAto and almost every other african nation around it have done nothing to help the people in Darfur, but maybe the great Satan can stop its war and help (sarcasm people). I just dont get it. I truly dont. Maybe someone can explain! PLEASE!
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6896|Seattle, WA

bogo24dk wrote:

Oh come on. If Darfur had Oil he would be first in line to occupy it. But sad enough Africa is forgotten by the rest of the world. Remember Rwanda ???
Yep and where is the oil from Iraq than, I'm sick of you libs always quoting oil as a reason, that is a ridicolous and unfounded claim, please tell me where this oil is? Because no one else has.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6697|The Land of Scott Walker

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

bogo24dk wrote:

Oh come on. If Darfur had Oil he would be first in line to occupy it. But sad enough Africa is forgotten by the rest of the world. Remember Rwanda ???
Yep and where is the oil from Iraq than, I'm sick of you libs always quoting oil as a reason, that is a ridicolous and unfounded claim, please tell me where this oil is? Because no one else has.
Well done. +1
bogo24dk
Member
+26|6758
What happened to Iraq’s oil money?

After the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the United States took control of all of the Iraqi government’s bank accounts, including the income from oil sales. The United Nations approved the financial takeover, and President Bush vowed to spend Iraq’s money wisely. But now critics are raising serious questions about how well the United States handled billions of dollars in Iraqi oil funds.

Iraq's oil resources generate billions of dollars — money the United States promised to protect after overthrowing Saddam Hussein.

Now, Frank Willis, a former senior American official in Iraq, tells NBC News the United States failed to safeguard the oil money known as the Development Fund for Iraq.

"There was, in my mind, pervasive leakage in assets of Iraq, and to some extent, those assets were squandered," says Willis.

Willis helped run Iraq’s Transportation Ministry. He says government agencies and private contractors had to be paid in cash because Iraq’s banking system was decimated.

"A lot of money did get to the Iraqi people at the grass-roots level, and a lot of it got into the wrong hands," he says.

In one photograph, Willis and colleagues showed off a $2 million payment to a security contractor.

"It was time for payment," he remembers. "We told them to come in and bring in a bag. It reminded me of the Wild West."

In a series of reports on U.S. management of the oil money, auditors working for the United Nation's Iraq Advisory and Monitoring Board and the Inspector General of the Coalition Provisional Authority found:

    * Insufficient controls
    * Missing records
    * Two sets of books at Iraq's Finance Ministry, which did not match

In one example of insufficient controls, the United States stored hundreds of millions of oil dollars in a vault in a Baghdad palace. Government auditors found that the key to the vault was kept “unsecured” — in a U.S. official’s backpack.

Iraq’s U.S. administrator, Paul Bremer, pledged last year to hire a certified public accounting firm to ensure proper controls. But the United States gave the contract not to an accounting firm but to a tiny consulting company, Northstar — which NBC News found is headquartered at a private home near San Diego.

"They violated the rules. They picked a contractor who didn’t meet their requirements," says Paul Light, a government contracting expert and professor at New York University.

Northstar’s president says the Pentagon knew Northstar was not a certified public accounting firm and that four experienced employees went to Iraq and did a good job. However, one audit notes that a single Northstar employee maintained spreadsheets tracking billions of dollars.

Bremer would not comment. His aides say Iraq is a war zone and their top priority was getting money quickly where it was needed, even if the accounting wasn't perfect. 

But NBC News has learned that a draft government audit faults the United States for “inadequate stewardship” of up to $8.8 billion in oil money, handed over to Iraq’s ministries but never fully accounted for.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6621523/
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6849|Seattle

Whatever we do, we'll be looked down upon so I say we do nothing. Let the rest of the world self destruct. Then they'll bitch cuz we didn't do anything. lawlz.

Last edited by King_County_Downy (2006-10-02 13:47:47)

Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6781|Global Command
I say lets let the U.N. handle this.........

nevermind, I don't want to see the soul brothers suffer.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6961|Wilmington, DE, US
Where's the oil from iraq? The companies don't profit if they sell us cheap gas. Why would they do a thing like that?
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6697|The Land of Scott Walker

King_County_Downy wrote:

Whatever we do, we'll be looked down upon so I say we do nothing. Let the rest of the world self destruct. Then they'll bitch cuz we didn't do anything. lawlz.
That would be the other option.  People will hate the US no matter what.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6852|132 and Bush

Gas prices are dictated by OPEC and production is controlled by those countries. What kind of yacht the CEO of Exxon has doesn't mean shit to what we pay at the pump.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-10-02 14:00:55)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6961|Wilmington, DE, US

Kmarion wrote:

Gas prices are dictated by OPEC and production is controlled by those countries. What kind of yacht the CEO of Exxon has doesn't mean shit to what we pay at the pump.
Production is controlled by those countries, but if I'm not mistaken the issue is not production, it's refining capacity.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6743|Northern California

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

At least some leader of an industrialized nation is.  Maybe the U.N. should ACTUALLY try doing something?

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-10-02-voa37.cfm

So we get bashed for going into Iraq, and now the U.N. is too wimpy assed to do a thing about Darfur.  They just continue to amaze me.  Your thoughts...
How do you equate this article with BUSH DOING SOMETHING in Darfur?  How in any way other than saying the same photo op sytle rhetoric he always says, is he doing something?  He's putting it all on the UN's shoulders yet he will end up not funding anything and probably won't commit troops.  The fucker is doing nothing and he'll treat them just as he did NOLA.

Just as a flashback, he already had Colin Powell address the UN saying the same crap before when he officially called it genocide (even though it is not even close to the same as genocide).  Genocide = mass murder of a genetic (aka "genetic") group.  This is farmers vs. nomads.  Both are muslim, both are sudanese, both are black.  The nomads are of arabic background but are still black sudanese muslims.

Mr. Bush said his new envoy to Sudan, Andrew Natsios, will be asked to rally the international community to, as he put it, "solve the problem" in Darfur.

"Solve the problem."  He's just finally understanding that shi'ites and sunnis are two seperate groups within islam..how's he going to know what the problem is in Darfur if he doesn't know what it is.  And no, Condi isn't qualified to tell him...she's the most uneducated educated person in the world and doesn't even know what a black person is.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-10-02 14:19:38)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6852|132 and Bush

Ikarti wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Gas prices are dictated by OPEC and production is controlled by those countries. What kind of yacht the CEO of Exxon has doesn't mean shit to what we pay at the pump.
Production is controlled by those countries, but if I'm not mistaken the issue is not production, it's refining capacity.
And how would Iraq affect refining? Gas prices are usually a direct reflection of the price of oil per barrel. Obviously when OPEC cuts the production off the price per barrel goes up, or vice versa.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6743|Northern California
Here in CA, gas prices go up in summer time and down in the fall.  That's just a corrupt tradition that illustrates gouging by oil companies.  And just like the stock market, gas prices rise (but don't fall) based on news.  If the UN is lighting farts in Iran, the gas prices go up $.20 per gallon.

OPEC decides the price per barrell which should be the ONLY criteria (with a distant second of supply/demand) for determining gas prices.  But as it is, OPEC is not in control.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6961|Wilmington, DE, US

Kmarion wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Gas prices are dictated by OPEC and production is controlled by those countries. What kind of yacht the CEO of Exxon has doesn't mean shit to what we pay at the pump.
Production is controlled by those countries, but if I'm not mistaken the issue is not production, it's refining capacity.
And how would Iraq affect refining? Gas prices are usually a direct reflection of the price of oil per barrel. Obviously when OPEC cuts the production off the price per barrel goes up, or vice versa.
We bring in more oil than we can refine, if OPEC cuts off we suddenly don't have any barrels. I don't know the exact details and politics of it all, but I don't view the oil companies as a benevolent entity wanted to provide us with cheap gas. If price per barrel goes up from $65 to $70 and you have a lot of barrels you bought for $65 already, I can see them running with it and selling the $65 like it was 70.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6743|Northern California

Ikarti wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Ikarti wrote:


Production is controlled by those countries, but if I'm not mistaken the issue is not production, it's refining capacity.
And how would Iraq affect refining? Gas prices are usually a direct reflection of the price of oil per barrel. Obviously when OPEC cuts the production off the price per barrel goes up, or vice versa.
We bring in more oil than we can refine, if OPEC cuts off we suddenly don't have any barrels. I don't know the exact details and politics of it all, but I don't view the oil companies as a benevolent entity wanted to provide us with cheap gas. If price per barrel goes up from $65 to $70 and you have a lot of barrels you bought for $65 already, I can see them running with it and selling the $65 like it was 70.
Actually, we refine ALL the oil we import and on oil we produce.  And you are right, we import more than half of what we use.  But in all truth, if a few simple things change (like the fuckin automotive world evolving just a little bit after having cars for a century, you'd think they'd be running on air by now...), then we could easily provide our own fuel.  Personally, i thnk corn is the answer!

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