QFEkr@cker wrote:
maybe because that monk is truly committing suicide, as opposed to trying to take out a busload of college kids on his way out, I don't care why the fucks hate us, I only care that they do
He's not just commiting suicide though, otherwise he could 've done it at home. He's protesting, and so are the siucide bombers, only they do it in a more hostile manner I must say. And if you don't care about why they hate you then why are you in this conversation in the first place? The possibility that you might be the bad guy here is of no importance to you, so why are you trying to portray that you are not? Just admit it and go on doing what it is you do.
Edit: same goes for ATG I suppose... But still I want to hear you say it. Admit that you are the aggressor since you don't care who's right and who's wrong.
Edit: same goes for ATG I suppose... But still I want to hear you say it. Admit that you are the aggressor since you don't care who's right and who's wrong.
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yes, that's right, I'm learning to pilot a plane so I can fly it into the dome of the rock
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360876266270912311&hl=en[/google]
so now it's not "murdering civilians", it's "sociopolitical protest"
the problem with "trying to understand" the radicals is that if you remedy whatever reason they give for their hatred, they will find another reason
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360876266270912311&hl=en[/google]
so now it's not "murdering civilians", it's "sociopolitical protest"
the problem with "trying to understand" the radicals is that if you remedy whatever reason they give for their hatred, they will find another reason
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This is true. But still you haven't answered, while continuing to hate, and that makes you look like a radical... funny vid btwkr@cker wrote:
the problem with "trying to understand" the radicals is that if you remedy whatever reason they give for their hatred, they will find another reason
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I'm not buying the Holy War idea. There's only one group who's on the jihad, and it isn't the West.oug wrote:
yeah kr@cker maybe I am... soAnd Pug, no. I mean the fact that the American government and its supporting governments in a lesser extent, are calling upon our christian feelings in order to conduct a bloody war and kill thousands of innocent people. Because our religion is part of that famous way of life which is supposedly being attacked.oug wrote:
If you can cite any examples proving your point it 'be nice.
And once again, next time you are going to use the suicide bombers as an example of terrorism and "bad behavior" think about what it entails. I mean, it's not exactly what an attacker would do is it? Imagine the desperation of those people. It's not an easy thing to kill yourself in any context or religion. The fact that they are doing it should have us westerners thinking... not condemning them all at once. A more peaceful reaction is this for example... http://imagecache2.allposters.com/image … osters.jpg
which nobody ever opposed to... on the contrary.
I beg to differ on how hard it is to martyr yourself - trading cards for those martyred , including the number of infidels killed...a national monument for those martyred...gov't funds for families of those martyred. Since it's become even easier, there is a larger gap in the likelihood of negotiations. "Thinking about why they suicide bomb" left a long time ago...the diplomatic core has always pursued the prevention of government support suicide bombing along with severing ties to the groups which are dragging the rest of the middle east down. Incentives for obliging have been rejected.
The context you are using is:
1) Its okay to have terrorists blow themselves up, crash planes into buildings and kill thousands of innocents, because they are unable to diplomatically resolve their problems
2) The US should use a more peaceful reaction, like diplomacy...although the extremists haven't been able to look towards diplomacy because they're too desperate?
Circular and flawed logic.
How is it okay for use of force for one side and not the other? It's not fair? What makes more sense - annihilation or diplomacy? You're not giving enough credit to the extremists...they know that violence begets violence...and I think they know our capabilities...so why do they continue to martyr themselves? To get us to the negotiation table? The diplomatic hand has always been extended...just not accepted.
At some point they have to sit down and work it out...and it involves a step down of hostilities and a realistic attitude by both sides. The difference in my opinion and your's is that I'm not focusing on only one side of the problem...
Ok well... I never said suicide bombing was ok... I'm just saying, mostly thinking about the Palestinians, that for those people it is their only option, bearing in mind that they are being relentlesly attacked by the Israeli government since the creation of the Israeli state on their land.Pug wrote:
I'm not buying the Holy War idea. There's only one group who's on the jihad, and it isn't the West.
I beg to differ on how hard it is to martyr yourself - trading cards for those martyred , including the number of infidels killed...a national monument for those martyred...gov't funds for families of those martyred. Since it's become even easier, there is a larger gap in the likelihood of negotiations. "Thinking about why they suicide bomb" left a long time ago...the diplomatic core has always pursued the prevention of government support suicide bombing along with severing ties to the groups which are dragging the rest of the middle east down. Incentives for obliging have been rejected.
The context you are using is:
1) Its okay to have terrorists blow themselves up, crash planes into buildings and kill thousands of innocents, because they are unable to diplomatically resolve their problems
2) The US should use a more peaceful reaction, like diplomacy...although the extremists haven't been able to look towards diplomacy because they're too desperate?
Circular and flawed logic.
How is it okay for use of force for one side and not the other? It's not fair? What makes more sense - annihilation or diplomacy? You're not giving enough credit to the extremists...they know that violence begets violence...and I think they know our capabilities...so why do they continue to martyr themselves? To get us to the negotiation table? The diplomatic hand has always been extended...just not accepted.
At some point they have to sit down and work it out...and it involves a step down of hostilities and a realistic attitude by both sides. The difference in my opinion and your's is that I'm not focusing on only one side of the problem...
Either ways, if we're talking about the Taliban for example, they rather omit the "suicide" and just go with "bombing" alone So let's not put all Middle Easterners in one bog Coalition
Now the context I'm using is rather:
1) It's ok to have "them" (I will deliberately not call them terrorists or anything else cause we don't know who they are unless you believe the story about the passports flying out of the planes) blow themselves up, crash planes into buildings and kill thousands of innocents because they are in defense, and thus seeking a diplomatic solution has already been rejected by their attacker.
As far as the Palestinians go, we all know the story. The rest of them, no matter how fanatic, narrow minded etc people, have not tampered with affairs outside their countries, be it Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq (since there were no WMDs).
All of a sudden they were called terrorists without substantial evidence pointing to any party in particular and their country was attacked. So even though I strongly disagree with the way they govern their own, I cannot but recognize their right to defend themselves.
2) The US I expect nothing from. All the evidence points to 9/11 being a false flag operation. If those in charge have come to the point of actually carrying out such a monstrous act, then the rest can only be worse.
One-sided use of force is certainly not okay and I never claimed it was. That's why I can't blame the assholes for fighting back, even if that means using suicide bombers.
"You're not giving enough credit to the extremists...they know that violence begets violence...and I think they know our capabilities...so why do they continue to martyr themselves?"
That is a question you must ask yourself, because it clearly makes no sense attacking a vastly superior force such as the US. They know it... so is it possible they didn't create this? Is there a possibility these unfortunate bastards didn't bring this upon them?
In my view the diplomatic hand was never extended on the US's part. It is quite simple really. When the Cold War ended, the US realized they can do whatever they want with the world. And that is exactly what they are doing. Like all the great empires of old, the Greeks, the Romans etc, they decide what they want and just get it not giving a fuck about the weak. Nothing new there...
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Addendum:sergeriver wrote:
Is it a deja vu or the same topics appear once and again here?
People, you must understand this:
Some extremists are Muslims
Not all extremists are Muslims
Not all Muslims are extremists (in fact is a small part of them)
Not all Christians are good people
Not all Jews are good people
Informed and Educated people are Smart...
People who haven't opened a book, read history, or investigate theories to find fact are Stupid.
A single person can be expected to be good.
Get a group of people with a goal, they become stupid.
Extremists are idiots.
Most people in the world are extremists when their points of views are compromised.
People without flexible views are extremists...
Religious != Righteous (!= means "does not equal" to the non-programmer/logic people)
Most people are Self-Righteous and believe they are Righteous.
Human is to Err.
Looking above .. Fuzzy Wuzzy was not a bear and Most humans in this world are Extremist about something and therefore the majority of Humanity are Idiots
To point fingers and blame or judge is to be set upon the stool of idiocy, for you only condemn yourself.
For the Christians out there.... "JUDGE NOT, LEST THY BE JUDGED". Shaking head.
Eat your Wheaties, live life to the Max. Have an Espresso. Chill. Read the WORD.
And for the Love of GOD... LOVE and Be at peace with thy neighbor. Turn the other cheek when slapped. how many Times Master. 7... 7 is a good number... Slap to the forehead. It's not the number that counts but the idea that, No matter how much something someone else affronts you... be the better man.. by not letting it get to you.
As much as Truman knew that the Japanese were flying at pearl harbor and they did nothing just so the Americans would wake from Isolationism... So did our Government allow the Planes to hit New York/Pentagon. Politics is the devil. I don't care how anyone twists it otherwise. I don't like Anarchy and I love living here in America. Better than anywhere else from what I can tell. That whole idiocy when people come together = Government. Don't follow the Government lines of thought. Be an individual. Stop following Republican and/or Democrats. Be Independent. Vote for the person, not for the party. Heck, I saw political party members swap sides just to get on a ticket. I really do not think there is a difference anyway.
Back to the original thoughts... This whole forum line should be terminated due to it lacks thought, it lacks intelligence, and it's filled with half-cocked ideas about this or that.
I abhor the actions of the Mighty Rome. I abhor the Mighty Catholic Empire that followed with its Inquisitions and Crusades. Never use these in modern context. A 1000 years ago, Atrocities were had by all the great countries and all the great religions. You are a fool to judge one and not the other. It was politics and scapegoats. Anytime Religion has a Hierarchy, you get groups of people.,. and those groups become stupid and greedy. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS, so do not flame based on.. but I heard this or that. Smaller groups within a larger group are smarter and nicer.
Someone said Christians never killed because you wouldn't join us. To use your own examples. Ever heard of the Inquisition? One of those was used to kill Reformationists... aka Methodist, Lutherans, etc. those that were leaving the church due to issues (numerous to detail out). Again years ago... but KKK... shesh. People who thought Jesus was White... uhm.. Jew people.. get it right. And they called themselves good Christians.
There are a number of children under the Lord in the bible. The Jews, the Gentiles... and if anyone remembers reading <assuming you opened the book> The Slaves of God. A certain child of Abraham was left at a well and unto him would unfold a Great Nation?
Anyone ever heard the phrase "The Slaves of Allah?" Believe that Mohammad was descendant from Abraham. The true Birthrights to Gods kingdom due to their lineage being from the First Born of Abraham or Abram, I believe they call him. each group worships God in their own way. I do not judge any for their own path to the Lords favor. I do believe that in the end of Days, Revelations, that many from all will find renewed Life and follow God as they never followed before. Might call them Armchair Christians, NotsoJews, etc... Every religion or group has those that only say they are religious yet really....REALLY... never read their books. Never study their words.. and haven't the foggiest idea how to be a truly GOOD person.
I know my Faults and I express them. I am Prejudiced against Prejudiced people. I hate people who hate people. I Abhor Extremists. My initial reaction is annoyance. I ask for forgiveness and turn a cheek, say a prayer that the Light of the Lord show them a path to goodness.
Peace be unto all and To all a good night. Even you the Terrorist of the world. <No matter what race, creed, culture>.
aggressor? what are you talking about? the day extremist monks strap 40 pounds of c4 to their bodies and blow the shit outta 10-20 Innocent people i will start hating them too... the extremists ftw...oug wrote:
He's not just commiting suicide though, otherwise he could 've done it at home. He's protesting, and so are the siucide bombers, only they do it in a more hostile manner I must say. And if you don't care about why they hate you then why are you in this conversation in the first place? The possibility that you might be the bad guy here is of no importance to you, so why are you trying to portray that you are not? Just admit it and go on doing what it is you do.
Edit: same goes for ATG I suppose... But still I want to hear you say it. Admit that you are the aggressor since you don't care who's right and who's wrong.
but like i posted earlier.. the Muslim community AS A WHOLE is failing... its time your leaders start stepping up to the plate and call an end to all of this..
and you all can point fingers at any religion.. but you can not deny that Muslim extremists are not the worst of the worst... someone please prove me wrong.. and i am talking about PRESENT DAY... as in effects everyones everyday life...
The worst? No...no..no.. The worst are the French.DaZeD863 wrote:
oug wrote:
and you all can point fingers at any religion.. but you can not deny that Muslim extremists are not the worst of the worst... someone please prove me wrong.. and i am talking about PRESENT DAY... as in effects everyones everyday life...
and their fancy clothes.. and accents.. and their fancy Coffees...
Viva La Hypocracy!
I'll have to admit. In present day, if you mean worst to mean destructive. They have caused some destruction.
But the worst is still by-far the Politicians who give the okay to blackops, that fund and train your extremists. Which are not the enemy until 10-20 years later, where the same groups do things like... terrorize people.
Which is the worst. The people doing it, the leaders that don't stand in their way, or the foreign governments which helped them to get where they are?
How about the attrocities the American/British soldiers did while in their search missions. No less than what occurred in Vietnam. Did you even watch the news? Who is worse the Terrorist who sneaks intoa place and blows himself and civilians to pieces. At least he suicided himself. how about an American. The front face and symbol of Free countries walking into a city and virtually annhiliating a who family. Men, women, and some kids. Slaughtered while searching for a bomber.
There are 2 things that really try my belief in being nice and not being angry. When people hurt women/children, and when an American does something wacked and stupid while being a representative of our Nation. Evil has many faces... I submit that both of these above are WORSE than simply being extremists.
How about Catholic priests and the children??!?!?!? Give me a Suicide bomber any day... because those commandments are walking thin lines when "Thou shalt not kill" comes up and I see someone who abuses kids. Not just that, someone who is supposed to be the beacon of light and mentor. Going down Priest.. <Click..> This is likely the 1 solid... single event that would try even my Religious beliefs. Catching someone doing this... You're a Dead mofo BF2 DAO-12 slaughterhouse.
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That 'small' segment just happens to be one of the largest countries on earth (Indonesia)...Stingray24 wrote:
Try again. We're talking in modern times, not 1,000 years ago. Christians do not call for the death of people who rip their religion. Many in Islam do and go even further in calling for the death of those who will not convert to Islam. Islam has not moderated except for a small segment in westernized areas and is stuck in the mindset of 1,000 years ago. No, no, no! You can't kill people who rip on your religion or won't convert! It's not how we do things now!Nyte wrote:
Same with the Christians... 1000 years ago. Crusades = over 40 million people got owned.Harmor wrote:
Don't get me wrong here, but why do Muslums say they are not a religion of violence if they use violence to protest that are not violent?
Muslums accross the world are calling for the Pope to be killed...do we see Christians rioting or killing their leaders?
Seems to me that Muslums need a Reformation to moderate their religion.
This World Trade Center crap is blown out of proportion, only 3000 killed. I don't see anyone complaining about the 40 million killed.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Wow. I wish *I* had a religion to hide behind.
Let's see, how to put it:
I belong to the KKK yet I love Jews and Blacks.
I belong to Hamas but I love Israelis
I'm a Yankee fan but I love the Red Sox too.
All these things sound just like, "I'm Muslim but I don't believe what the extremist preach."
A bunch of horse shit is what I say.
I belong to the KKK yet I love Jews and Blacks.
I belong to Hamas but I love Israelis
I'm a Yankee fan but I love the Red Sox too.
All these things sound just like, "I'm Muslim but I don't believe what the extremist preach."
A bunch of horse shit is what I say.
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Well said. I'm still waiting for a strong condemnation of the murderous acts of islamic terrorists by the moderate followers of Islam. The fact that they won't should tell us a lot.DaZeD863 wrote:
The day extremist monks strap 40 pounds of c4 to their bodies and blow the shit outta 10-20 Innocent people i will start hating them too... the extremists ftw...
but like i posted earlier.. the Muslim community AS A WHOLE is failing... its time your leaders start stepping up to the plate and call an end to all of this..
and you all can point fingers at any religion.. but you can not deny that Muslim extremists are not the worst of the worst... someone please prove me wrong.. and i am talking about PRESENT DAY... as in effects everyones everyday life...
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well.. your right... sort of... wihtout those politicians there is anarchy... and the blackops missions you are talking about were to repel the Russians if you remember... yet again America helping to free the oppressed with no real end gain... granted i dont agree with it.. i say all in or all out.. no in between... and you see what happened... we ended up getting burned in the end.... speaking of which what if Russian had taken Afghanistan?? how different would the world be today??? wow never have considered that before...DeZwarteMaan wrote:
The worst? No...no..no.. The worst are the French.DaZeD863 wrote:
oug wrote:
and you all can point fingers at any religion.. but you can not deny that Muslim extremists are not the worst of the worst... someone please prove me wrong.. and i am talking about PRESENT DAY... as in effects everyones everyday life...
and their fancy clothes.. and accents.. and their fancy Coffees...
Viva La Hypocracy!
I'll have to admit. In present day, if you mean worst to mean destructive. They have caused some destruction.
But the worst is still by-far the Politicians who give the okay to blackops, that fund and train your extremists. Which are not the enemy until 10-20 years later, where the same groups do things like... terrorize people.
Which is the worst. The people doing it, the leaders that don't stand in their way, or the foreign governments which helped them to get where they are?
How about the atrocities the American/British soldiers did while in their search missions. No less than what occurred in Vietnam. Did you even watch the news? Who is worse the Terrorist who sneaks intoa place and blows himself and civilians to pieces. At least he suicided himself. how about an American. The front face and symbol of Free countries walking into a city and virtually annhiliating a who family. Men, women, and some kids. Slaughtered while searching for a bomber.
There are 2 things that really try my belief in being nice and not being angry. When people hurt women/children, and when an American does something wacked and stupid while being a representative of our Nation. Evil has many faces... I submit that both of these above are WORSE than simply being extremists.
How about Catholic priests and the children??!?!?!? Give me a Suicide bomber any day... because those commandments are walking thin lines when "Thou shalt not kill" comes up and I see someone who abuses kids. Not just that, someone who is supposed to be the beacon of light and mentor. Going down Priest.. <Click..> This is likely the 1 solid... single event that would try even my Religious beliefs. Catching someone doing this... You're a Dead mofo BF2 DAO-12 slaughterhouse.
im in the military.. and i could write 5 pages on this one but i wont.. let me say first that i love the locals.. some of them loved us... some of them didnt... my first day in i got hit in the face with a rock... anyway... to put it into terms you would understand imagine karkand with 10 enemy mec soldiers and 100 mec civilians who arent the enemy... just look, talk, act like them, and carry the same weapons... now try and make it to train accident alive... i will and every man on my squad will always act for the better good but if it comes down to my life or one of theirs i have no problem pulling the trigger... and umm... the few incidences your talking about do not compare to what they do to us and our civilians..
and now your talking about catholic priests? the kids and the priests get to live... the suicide bombers and their 10-20 victims dint... the bomber also only promotes violence and terror... might seem twisted but i would rather my kid get on a bus with a gay priest than a suicide bomber... but maybe thats just me...
I did not say that btw, DaZeD863 did.DeZwarteMaan wrote:
DaZeD863 wrote:
oug wrote:
and you all can point fingers at any religion.. but you can not deny that Muslim extremists are not the worst of the worst... someone please prove me wrong.. and i am talking about PRESENT DAY... as in effects everyones everyday life...
No country has ever done anything like that in history. Everyone always had something to gain. The rest is Hollywood horseshit. And I can prove it.DaZeD863 wrote:
yet again America helping to free the oppressed with no real end gain...
The USSR wanted to control Afghanistan back then, because whoever controls the Middle East controls the world's oil supplies. Of course the US had to stop them because their enemy would grow stronger.
If you don't to take my word for it, take a look at a map of USA's military bases around the world. You will notice (apart from the fact that they're everywhere) that most of them are situated in the ME, and that they form a hemicycle around and inside the former USSR which also embraces the ME countries that are rich in oil.
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Coincidentally, like this post.rawls2 wrote:
Let's see, how to put it:
I belong to the KKK yet I love Jews and Blacks.
I belong to Hamas but I love Israelis
I'm a Yankee fan but I love the Red Sox too.
All these things sound just like, "I'm Muslim but I don't believe what the extremist preach."
A bunch of horse shit is what I say.
Guns dont kill people....religion kills people. ALL OF THEM
Frankly the failure lies at BOTH the Palestinian and Israeli feet. At the same time there has been relentless attacks on Palestine, there's been attacks on Israeli's. The bottom line - each are upping the "we are defending ourselves" bandwagon. Plus there's the other players supporting both sides, two of which the Hamas and the Hezbollah have been formed with the basic idea of "Israel needs to be removed from the Middle East....period". So let me ask you a very simple question - how does one satisfy that goal? Second, there is absolutely no pressure on Israel to change their policy...they dominate the region. And third, the same diplomatic branch has been passed around and stomped on by both sides. So again...why are you so one sided?oug wrote:
Ok well... I never said suicide bombing was ok... I'm just saying, mostly thinking about the Palestinians, that for those people it is their only option, bearing in mind that they are being relentlesly attacked by the Israeli government since the creation of the Israeli state on their land.
Use logic here. One man with a pistol shoots at an aircraft carrier. Isn't that suicide as well? At least it's more honorable.oug wrote:
Either ways, if we're talking about the Taliban for example, they rather omit the "suicide" and just go with "bombing" alone So let's not put all Middle Easterners in one bog Coalition
Kind of lost me here at several levels: 1) passports? I have no idea what you're talking about, 2) its perfectly okay to kill innocents...seriously?, 3) what diplomatic solution has been rejected by the non-muslims (used for clarity, not for racist purposes)?, 4) are we still talking about Al Qaeda? or did the Palestians crash into the twin towers? If so, what diplomatic solution was rejected by the US, and when has the US attacked the Al Qaeda? And lastly - are you fucking kidding me?oug wrote:
Now the context I'm using is rather:
1) It's ok to have "them" (I will deliberately not call them terrorists or anything else cause we don't know who they are unless you believe the story about the passports flying out of the planes) blow themselves up, crash planes into buildings and kill thousands of innocents because they are in defense, and thus seeking a diplomatic solution has already been rejected by their attacker.
Pardon the interruption, but do you remember that this "no interference policy" included Iraq invading Kuwait? Have you even looked up who supports the Hamas & the Hez? And the last time I checked, ISRAEL was not part of Iran.oug wrote:
As far as the Palestinians go, we all know the story. The rest of them, no matter how fanatic, narrow minded etc people, have not tampered with affairs outside their countries, be it Iran, Afghanistan or Iraq (since there were no WMDs).
All of a sudden they were called terrorists without substantial evidence pointing to any party in particular and their country was attacked. So even though I strongly disagree with the way they govern their own, I cannot but recognize their right to defend themselves.
Or, another way to read your comment - it's okay for them to attack each other and stay out of their affairs. Is that what you mean? We should allow the extremist groups to fight each other all day, every day and not even think about it?
Again, I have no idea what you are saying here. Please explain.oug wrote:
2) The US I expect nothing from. All the evidence points to 9/11 being a false flag operation. If those in charge have come to the point of actually carrying out such a monstrous act, then the rest can only be worse.
Great idea...perpetuate the violence. Killing innocents will not bring anyone to the table. It's actually a pretty clear concept - stop blowing yourselves up for a second and let's have a chat. There's a whole system set up to indoctinate the next generation of suicide bombers. "Hey Jaffa, are you going as a suicide bomber for halloween again this year?"oug wrote:
One-sided use of force is certainly not okay and I never claimed it was. That's why I can't blame the assholes for fighting back, even if that means using suicide bombers.
Really? So like can I buy Jordan. I've always wanted to buy Jordan....no not the porn star...the country.oug wrote:
"You're not giving enough credit to the extremists...they know that violence begets violence...and I think they know our capabilities...so why do they continue to martyr themselves?"
That is a question you must ask yourself, because it clearly makes no sense attacking a vastly superior force such as the US. They know it... so is it possible they didn't create this? Is there a possibility these unfortunate bastards didn't bring this upon them?
Seriously, answer the question. It wasn't rhetorical, and nice try reversing it.
Well, the last one was an economic package offered to Iran, which they are currently negotiating about in the UN. There's a US embassy in every middle eastern country...Syria was open to a more democratic government since 1994 (up until this year) where there's been an economic package floated...Jordan is the US' best ally in the region, in many areas better than Israel...Egypt gets help, and is American friendly (from experience)...the Lebanese government liked the US prior to the recent events (probably not so much now)...seriously, did you even bother checking before making this statement?oug wrote:
In my view the diplomatic hand was never extended on the US's part.
Yeah right...you're crazy if you believe that.oug wrote:
It is quite simple really. When the Cold War ended, the US realized they can do whatever they want with the world. And that is exactly what they are doing. Like all the great empires of old, the Greeks, the Romans etc, they decide what they want and just get it not giving a fuck about the weak. Nothing new there...
Reminds me of a good bad joke however:
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Bang (the CIA)
The main fact you are missing here about all of the "desperate" people blowing themselves up. Who are they trained by? What country supports them? What are the goals? Are they fulfilling their own agenda or are they a pawn? And most importantly, is blowing themselves up doing anyone any good?
Until you move beyond fault and blame, you'll never get it. Until then, keep rubbing yourself with peanut butter.
You're absolutely right. The region has always been peaceful. Having miltary bases near peaceful regions is a complete waste of time, money and effort...oug wrote:
If you don't to take my word for it, take a look at a map of USA's military bases around the world. You will notice (apart from the fact that they're everywhere) that most of them are situated in the ME, and that they form a hemicycle around and inside the former USSR which also embraces the ME countries that are rich in oil.
What eva happened to freedom of speech??? Im sick to fuckin' death of evry1 having to watch what they sayPRiMACORD wrote:
You are just a victim of the media. I assure you, 1.5 billion Muslims are not raising hell because of what the Pope said.Harmor wrote:
Muslums accross the world are calling for the Pope to be killed...
For the record, the Pope is a dumbass for saying what he said. Why the fuck would you poke a religion that has a decent sized extremist population knowing full well they would overreact and raise hell. Would you prod a lion? (yes the extremists are insane and should be terminated, i'm not excusing them, i'm placing responsibility on whats suppose to be the more intelligent party)
incase it happens to offend muslims......Fuck the lot of them!!!!!
MSG for all MUSLIMS:- The uk is not and NEVER will be a muslim country so get used to it or FUCK OFF!!!!
.............And take your 650 cousins with you!
What I never get about religion is, how come people only try to sell you different branches of Christianity? I've never seen anyone other than a priest come to my door or ask me in the mall if I'm interested in converting to Christianity...Gandhi once said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I respect all religions, and I'm neither Christian nor Muslim, but I do see some unnecessary disrespectful attitude towards an ethnic group because of a small fraction of individuals. yea, a few Islamic groups do go too far, but why are they the only ones in the spotlight? Anyone remember what happened to hundreds of Muslim shops and Mosques across the U.S. after 9/11? Do they worship a god who teaches evil? If so, do other religions follow the same? Think about the few who make a lasting image in you mind, then speak your opinions. I'm surprised at how much intelligence some people really possess.
im not bashing you bro, just kills me to see how some people try and justify what they are doing...oug wrote:
I did not say that btw, DaZeD863 did.DeZwarteMaan wrote:
DaZeD863 wrote:
No country has ever done anything like that in history. Everyone always had something to gain. The rest is Hollywood horseshit. And I can prove it.DaZeD863 wrote:
yet again America helping to free the oppressed with no real end gain...
The USSR wanted to control Afghanistan back then, because whoever controls the Middle East controls the world's oil supplies. Of course the US had to stop them because their enemy would grow stronger.
If you don't to take my word for it, take a look at a map of USA's military bases around the world. You will notice (apart from the fact that they're everywhere) that most of them are situated in the ME, and that they form a hemicycle around and inside the former USSR which also embraces the ME countries that are rich in oil.
and yes military bases are going to be placed in hot spots.. wouldnt be smart to have them out in the middle of nowhere. but the fact that we give control of the countries resources back to the people separates us from other occupational forces.. the radical Muslims arent out for the people.. i would like to think we are..
I still can´t figure out why americans want to fight for other peoples "freedom" when american themselves aren´t really free.... free your mind.
Lookee at the bold text! As a lot of you are saying, Islam is a huge religion. Even though radicals are the minority, making up at most 3%, that's a lot. A lot of my Muslim friends are also condemning extremism. You guys just aren't hearing them.JaMDuDe wrote:
Its probably closer to 90% of muslims dont agree with it when pressured by the public. Most muslims are good people but there is still a huge minority of them who hate the west and are radicals.De_Jappe wrote:
the terrorist are giving a wrong image. 99.9% of the muslims don't agree with the violence. Even the majority of the Imams (sp?) don't agree with it.
Just a few of the fundamentalisme 'division' think it's correct.
It's like saying all americans are bad because the president is a fool. Not everyone in USA agrees with the war in iraq etc... (not trying to bring this discussion up, just wanted to compare with something)
It's not good to generalize people into a group. Those who 'bombed' your country are NOT the muslims, just a bunch of terrorists. But somehow people think all muslims are bad and will kill you. Wrong. Start reading things first, hear the story from both sides before you start judging people.
You got the quotes wrong, here's the equivalents to your extremist statement when basic logic is applied:rawls2 wrote:
Let's see, how to put it:
I belong to the KKK yet I love Jews and Blacks.
I belong to Hamas but I love Israelis
I'm a Yankee fan but I love the Red Sox too.
All these things sound just like, "I'm Muslim but I don't believe what the extremist preach."
A bunch of horse shit is what I say.
"I'm Christian but I don't believe what the KKK preach"
"I'm Palestinian, but I don't vote for Hamas (I prefer Fatah)"
"I'm a baseball fan, but I don't like the Yankees"
Now, which of those sounds unbelievable?