PRiMACORD
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DTBVNTt … mp;search=

Long video, 48min long. I'm only 15min in, will have to watch the rest later, gotta go to work

Great stuff about our Israeli friends, killing British and American citizens, tear gassing them at memorial services; typical occupation stuff.

Definitely propaganda from evil American and British citizens with uh, some sort of uh, evil plan to help Arabs (who are evil to).
Ikarti
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I never watch these long videos but this one kept my attention. Such lovely allies we have. That major they interviewed at the end deserves to be dragged out into the street and shot.
bogo24dk
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I think this video is clear evidence, how human the IDF really is. Point blank evidence of murder in cold blood.
kr@cker
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so a bunch of people go into a known warzone, confront manned military equipment (anyone that's ever driven a bulldozer knows visibility is not a strongpoint, especially not once they are armored), and confront military personnell, then wonder why they get injured/killed?
PRiMACORD
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kr@cker wrote:

so a bunch of people go into a known warzone, confront manned military equipment (anyone that's ever driven a bulldozer knows visibility is not a strongpoint, especially not once they are armored), and confront military personnell, then wonder why they get injured/killed?
I love how you make it sound so passive. They just go up to military equipment for no apparent reason, it's not like there lively hoods and homes were being bulldozed, they just decided to bug the big bulldozers for no reason!

Sigh.
Stingray24
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PRiMACORD wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

so a bunch of people go into a known warzone, confront manned military equipment (anyone that's ever driven a bulldozer knows visibility is not a strongpoint, especially not once they are armored), and confront military personnell, then wonder why they get injured/killed?
I love how you make it sound so passive. They just go up to military equipment for no apparent reason, it's not like there lively hoods and homes were being bulldozed, they just decided to bug the big bulldozers for no reason!

Sigh.
Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Ikarti
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Stingray24 wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

so a bunch of people go into a known warzone, confront manned military equipment (anyone that's ever driven a bulldozer knows visibility is not a strongpoint, especially not once they are armored), and confront military personnell, then wonder why they get injured/killed?
I love how you make it sound so passive. They just go up to military equipment for no apparent reason, it's not like there lively hoods and homes were being bulldozed, they just decided to bug the big bulldozers for no reason!

Sigh.
Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Ah, the logic of the government, if you're not with us, then you're a TERRORIST!
kr@cker
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sigh
PRiMACORD
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Stingray24 wrote:

Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Learning how to read takes time, don't worry. Remember, you're a hick, it's acceptable.

kr@cker wrote:

sigh
Is this all the neo-cons can come up with? Is it a bit too hard to defend Israel in this case?

I don't know why Americans defend Israel in such a rigid manner, it really boggles my mind. All they give us is more hate from the Arab world.

They attacked the USS liberty killing 34 of us yet you guys turn a blind eye. They continue to kill more of our innocent protesters and once again, you don't give a shit.

Who are the real fascists?
Ikarti
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PRiMACORD wrote:

They attacked the USS liberty killing 34 of us yet you guys turn a blind eye. They continue to kill more of our innocent protesters and once again, you don't give a shit.
The Israelis SAID it was an accident so we should take their word for it.
bogo24dk
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PRiMACORD wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Learning how to read takes time, don't worry. Remember, you're a hick, it's acceptable.

kr@cker wrote:

sigh
Is this all the neo-cons can come up with? Is it a bit too hard to defend Israel in this case?

I don't know why Americans defend Israel in such a rigid manner, it really boggles my mind. All they give us is more hate from the Arab world.

They attacked the USS liberty killing 34 of us yet you guys turn a blind eye. They continue to kill more of our innocent protesters and once again, you don't give a shit.

Who are the real fascists?
Good question Prima. How can so many Americans who support Israel and they call themselves Patriots turn a blind eye to what happened with the USS liberty. Even the President at that time, turned a blind eye. I think the USS liberty would have been used as an excuse like with the Vietnam incident.
kr@cker
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ummm, the sigh was in reference to yours, funny you should ignore the obvious correlation after resorting to calling stingray a hick, here's a clue, Israel is in a state of war, if you don't want to die, here are a list of things to consider

A) don't go to israel
B) if you are dumb enough to go to israel, don't go to the hotbeds of fighting
C) if you are dumb enough to go to the hotbeds, don't confront military personnell, try to interfere with military operations, sneak out after curfew, and don't hold public gatherings (the memorial service) in an area in which a military operation is taking place
D) realize that the IDF is a military entity in the process of securing borders, gets shot at everyday, and is not in the habit of taking bullshit from hippies that offer themselves up as human meat shields

as for the Liberty, that is a matter of great debate, and it seems that DC is also heavily to blame, as they assured Israel there were no US ships in the area, and then apparently tried to slip an intel gathering vessel (which was the mission description of the liberty) up under their noses, but then that would mean some of the blame goes to LBJ and possibly Kennedy policy, so we can't follow up on that
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At approximately 1050 hours, the naval observer from the early morning reconnaissance flight arrived at Israeli air force HQ and sat down with the air-naval liaison officer there. The two officers consulted Janes’ Fighting Ships and learned that the ship reported earlier in the day was USS Liberty, a United States Navy technical research ship.


At 1400 hours, while approximately 17 miles off the Gaza coast, USS Liberty’s crew observed three surface radar contacts closing with their position at high speed. A few moments later, the bridge radar crew observed high speed aircraft passing over the surface returns on the same heading.[16]

Within a few short moments, and without any warning, Israeli fighter aircraft launched a rocket attack on USS Liberty. The aircraft made repeated firing passes, attacking USS Liberty with rockets and their internal cannons. After the first flight of fighter aircraft had exhausted their ordnance, subsequent flights of Israeli fighter aircraft continued to prosecute the attack with rockets, cannon fire, and napalm.


http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm

    "I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. . . . Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous "
          -- US Secretary of State Dean Rusk
       
       

        "...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
          -- CIA Director Richard Helms
       
       

        "I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."
          -- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby
       
       

         "That the Liberty could have been mistaken for the Egyptian supply ship El Quseir is unbelievable"
          -- Special Assistant to the President Clark Clifford, in his report to President Lyndon Johnson
       
       

        "The highest officials of the [Johnson] administration, including the President, believed it 'inconceivable' that Israel's 'skilled' defense forces could have committed such a gross error."
        -- Lyndon Johnson's biographer Robert Dallek in Flawed Giant, Oxford University Press, 1998, pp. 430-31)
       

       

        "A nice whitewash for a group of ignorant, stupid and inept [expletive deleted]."
          -- Handwritten note of August 26, 1967, by NSA Deputy Director Louis W. Tordella reacting to the Israeli court decision exonerating Israelis of blame for the Liberty attack.
       

       

        "Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
          -- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor
       

   

        "The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack...was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew.... It was our shared belief. . .that the attack. . .could not possibly have been an accident.... I am certain that the Israeli pilots [and] their superiors. . .were well aware that the ship was American."
          -- Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, US Navy (retired), senior legal counsel to the US Navy Court of Inquiry
       

   

        That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency
          -- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings
       

            Former NSA/CIA Director Admiral Bobby Inman "flatly rejected" the Cristol/Israeli claims that the attack was an accident
          -- 5 March 2003 interview for Naval Institute Proceedings
       

   
        Of four former NSA/CIA seniors with inside knowledge, none was aware of any agency official who dissented from the position that the attack was deliberate
          -- David Walsh, writing in Naval Institute Proceedings
       

   
        "It appears to me that it was not a pure case of mistaken identity."
        -- Captain William L. McGonagle, Commanding Officer, USS Liberty, speaking at Arlington National Cemetery, June 8, 1997
       
       

         "To suggest that they [the IDF] couldn't identify the ship is ... ridiculous. ... Anybody who could not identify the Liberty could not tell the difference between the White House and the Washington Monument."
          -- Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chief of Naval Operations and later Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, quoted in The Washington Post, June 15, 1991, p. 14

Last edited by bogo24dk (2006-10-02 12:35:59)

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Great video, what even more interesting is the source. This tv show comes on uk television every week, often revealing shocking things. Therefore making it a FUKIN great source.
Stingray24
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PRiMACORD wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Learning how to read takes time, don't worry. Remember, you're a hick, it's acceptable.

kr@cker wrote:

sigh
Is this all the neo-cons can come up with? Is it a bit too hard to defend Israel in this case?

I don't know why Americans defend Israel in such a rigid manner, it really boggles my mind. All they give us is more hate from the Arab world.

They attacked the USS liberty killing 34 of us yet you guys turn a blind eye. They continue to kill more of our innocent protesters and once again, you don't give a shit.

Who are the real fascists?
I see you are following the "I don't have a good response so I'll rip his heritage and intelligence" strategy.    Guess I hit a nerve if you're resorting to that. We are responding quite well and it's very easy to defend Israel. You on the other hand have to resort to calling names. 
 
What would bring us love from the Arab world, Prima?  You think if Israel didn't exist and we didn't support her that the Arab nations would love us?  I will always defend Israel because she's outnumbered and surrounded by nations that are dedicating to her destruction.  No matter what Israel does, she is attacked simply for existing.  It's for self-preservation that Israel does what she does.  It's for spite and religious extremism that the nations that surround her do what they do. 

The USS Liberty was a terrible tragedy and and accident.  Wouldn't make sense for Israel to anger her only allie.  It is obvious you really hate Israel, that much is clear.

The way you say "our innocent protestors" is quite interesting.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2006-10-02 13:07:35)

HM1{N}
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Stingray24 wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

so a bunch of people go into a known warzone, confront manned military equipment (anyone that's ever driven a bulldozer knows visibility is not a strongpoint, especially not once they are armored), and confront military personnell, then wonder why they get injured/killed?
I love how you make it sound so passive. They just go up to military equipment for no apparent reason, it's not like there lively hoods and homes were being bulldozed, they just decided to bug the big bulldozers for no reason!

Sigh.
Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Ummm, they ARE EVIL, they are occupying a foreign country with the sole purpose of killing its people and stealing its land.

If you read more than just the Israeli controlled news, you might just see the truth.
HM1{N}
Member
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Stingray24 wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

so a bunch of people go into a known warzone, confront manned military equipment (anyone that's ever driven a bulldozer knows visibility is not a strongpoint, especially not once they are armored), and confront military personnell, then wonder why they get injured/killed?
I love how you make it sound so passive. They just go up to military equipment for no apparent reason, it's not like there lively hoods and homes were being bulldozed, they just decided to bug the big bulldozers for no reason!

Sigh.
Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Israel is God, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting to kill more innocent civilians.  What's the matter, need a free home on someone else's land?
mafia996630
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Stingray24 wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Israel is evil, blah blah blah.  Sounds like you're recruiting for Hezbollah.
Learning how to read takes time, don't worry. Remember, you're a hick, it's acceptable.

kr@cker wrote:

sigh
Is this all the neo-cons can come up with? Is it a bit too hard to defend Israel in this case?

I don't know why Americans defend Israel in such a rigid manner, it really boggles my mind. All they give us is more hate from the Arab world.

They attacked the USS liberty killing 34 of us yet you guys turn a blind eye. They continue to kill more of our innocent protesters and once again, you don't give a shit.

Who are the real fascists?
I see you are following the "I don't have a good response so I'll rip his heritage and intelligence" strategy.    Guess I hit a nerve if you're resorting to that. We are responding quite well and it's very easy to defend Israel. You on the other hand have to resort to calling names. 
 
What would bring us love from the Arab world, Prima?  You think if Israel didn't exist and we didn't support her that the Arab nations would love us?  I will always defend Israel because she's outnumbered and surrounded by nations that are dedicating to her destruction.  No matter what Israel does, she is attacked simply for existing.  It's for self-preservation that Israel does what she does.  It's for spite and religious extremism that the nations that surround her do what they do. 

The USS Liberty was a terrible tragedy and and accident.  Wouldn't make sense for Israel to anger her only allie.  It is obvious you really hate Israel, that much is clear.

The way you say "our innocent protestors" is quite interesting.
POOOR LITTLE ISREAL. LOLOLOL. PLEASE go find out about how powerful isreal really is.
Jusster
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Stingray24 wrote:

The USS Liberty was a terrible tragedy and and accident.  Wouldn't make sense for Israel to anger her only allie.  It is obvious you really hate Israel, that much is clear.
Hmm........since you dismiss the deliberate attack on our ship as an accident, can you explain away the Lavon Affair?

I guess your willing to defend a country that is willing to attack you.  Genius.  As far as I'm concerned Israel is NOT our ally.



Jusster
PRiMACORD
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Stingray24 wrote:

The USS Liberty was a terrible tragedy and and accident.  Wouldn't make sense for Israel to anger her only allie.  It is obvious you really hate Israel, that much is clear.
These conclusions have been challenged from several fronts, most notably by an organization of several Liberty survivors, as well as by some key former high-ranking officials who were in office at the time in the United States government, including the Secretary of State, The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of the NSA, and the senior legal counsel to the U.S. Navy Court of of Inquiry. into the incident.
Sorry, i think i'll side with the above.
Stingray24
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You still didn't answer my question: what would bring the US love from the Arab nations?
PRiMACORD
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Stingray24 wrote:

You still didn't answer my question: what would bring the US love from the Arab nations?
Stop supporting Israel, stop meddling with the ME.
Stingray24
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PRiMACORD wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

You still didn't answer my question: what would bring the US love from the Arab nations?
Stop supporting Israel, stop meddling with the ME.
Yes, Iran and Syria will suddenly stop funding terrorists and Al-Qaeda will cease activities as soon as we leave Middle Eastern soil. Nice herb cloud you had going while you thought of that one. 

Idea: we'll stop supporting Israel when the Arab nations renounce their condemnation of us non-Muslim infidels.  Fair?
PRiMACORD
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Stingray24 wrote:

Idea: we'll stop supporting Israel when the Arab nations renounce their condemnation of us non-Muslim infidels.  Fair?
Fair.

Oh look, i won. Which Muslim nations are condeming non-Muslims? Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, ect ect have never called non-Muslims infidels.
Stingray24
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PRiMACORD wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Idea: we'll stop supporting Israel when the Arab nations renounce their condemnation of us non-Muslim infidels.  Fair?
Fair.

Oh look, i won. Which Muslim nations are condeming non-Muslims? Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, ect ect have never called non-Muslims infidels.
. . . I said renounce their CONDEMNATION of us, using any of the various labels they have for us . . . infidels, the great Satan, unbelievers, or whatever else they call us non-Muslims.  Maybe I should add something here, too.  As part of renouncing their condemnation, it would make sense that they stop giving money to their Islamic extremist buddies who do their dirty work = Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, etc etc etc.

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