N.A.T.O
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CITYHUNT3R wrote:

N.A.T.O wrote:

CITYHUNT3R wrote:


I suppose it's not America's job to deal with poverty in the US either, then.
??????
The website specified that all those children die worldwide. Meaning in the United States as well.
I seriously doubt that We are resiving aid from that charity here in the USA.
CITYHUNT3R
Member
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N.A.T.O wrote:

CITYHUNT3R wrote:

N.A.T.O wrote:


??????
The website specified that all those children die worldwide. Meaning in the United States as well.
I seriously doubt that We are resiving aid from that charity here in the USA.
No-one said that you were.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina
Question for all the people here supporting war and giving away money from your taxes in every country not only America.  Would you prefer the government to spend your money in helping your own people or spending it in wars and support for other countries?
And these links are for American citizens to see if people are doing well there and how many poor children do you have there.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-09-30 16:27:27)

unnamednewbie13
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sergeriver wrote:

When you see the money wasted in weapons and given to countries like Israel (it's only an example) to support more war and death, don't you think that is immoral doing so when millions of children are dying every year because of hunger and poverty?
When I see money wasted on trees planted on islands in the middle of the road, people having babies just to get more government cash, and palaces built for city councils...

Spending is a big problem in this government, on every single level; not just the executive branch.

stryyker wrote:

I answer your question with another: What does Argentina do for Humanitarian Aid across the globe?

sergeriver wrote:

stryyker wrote:

i know, it was a question to prove a point.

In most every country in the world, Humanitarian Aide is very low on the "to-do" list.
But, you didn't answer the original and first question, you only bashed me because you thought it was a straight attack on US, and it's not, I think every rich country and I include Argentina, we have a lot of food here believe me, should help the world's poor countries.
I don't regard that as a personal bash. In fact, it is a decent point.

And at the same time people want the US to leave everyone alone, they all have their hands outstretched for our taxpayers' cash. It's like some bum sitting on the corner with a sign that reads "ned monny 4 fud. stay of my sidwalk." Can't have it both ways. Either tell the US to go back to 'isolationism,' or encourage its 'imperialism.'

But to answer the question about Argentina itself, it isn't completely guilty.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-09-30 16:37:52)

N.A.T.O
The People’s Champion
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CITYHUNT3R wrote:

N.A.T.O wrote:

CITYHUNT3R wrote:


The website specified that all those children die worldwide. Meaning in the United States as well.
I seriously doubt that We are resiving aid from that charity here in the USA.
No-one said that you were.
Please excuse did not read you post right.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6694|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:

Would you prefer the government to spend your money in helping your own people or spending it in wars and support for other countries?
I want my tax dollars to go to all 3 actually.  Money for us, money for our soldiers to do their job to keep us and our allies safe, and money to help other countries that we are able to assist.  I don't think it has to be an either/or situation here.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2006-09-30 16:35:06)

herrr_smity
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i don't see aid as trowing away money, i see it as an investment because we might need their help one day.

Last edited by herrr_smity (2006-09-30 16:37:37)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

When you see the money wasted in weapons and given to countries like Israel (it's only an example) to support more war and death, don't you think that is immoral doing so when millions of children are dying every year because of hunger and poverty?
When I see money wasted on trees planted on islands in the middle of the road, people having babies just to get more government cash, and palaces built for city councils...

Spending is a big problem in this government, on every single level; not just the executive branch.

stryyker wrote:

I answer your question with another: What does Argentina do for Humanitarian Aid across the globe?

sergeriver wrote:

stryyker wrote:

i know, it was a question to prove a point.

In most every country in the world, Humanitarian Aide is very low on the "to-do" list.
But, you didn't answer the original and first question, you only bashed me because you thought it was a straight attack on US, and it's not, I think every rich country and I include Argentina, we have a lot of food here believe me, should help the world's poor countries.
I don't regard that as a personal bash. In fact, it is a decent point.

And at the same time people want the US to leave everyone alone, they all have their hands outstretched for our taxpayers' cash. It's like some bum sitting on the corner with a sign that reads "ned monny 4 fud. stay of my sidwalk." Can't have it both ways. Either tell the US to go back to 'isolationism,' or encourage its 'imperialism.'

But to answer the question about Argentina itself, it isn't completely guilty.
That help is shit, Argentina is a rich country and has a lot more to give, as US and the EU countries as well.  How much did the Iraq war cost, how many died because of that war and how many children would be still alive if the money would have been used to help these children?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Would you prefer the government to spend your money in helping your own people or spending it in wars and support for other countries?
I want my tax dollars to go to all 3 actually.  Money for us, money for our soldiers to do their job to keep us and our allies safe, and money to help other countries that we are able to assist.  I don't think it has to be an either/or situation here.
Yes it has because there is no money for all those issues.  How can US have a huge deficit, 28 million children living in low incomes families and still wasting money in Iraq?
usmarine
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sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Would you prefer the government to spend your money in helping your own people or spending it in wars and support for other countries?
I want my tax dollars to go to all 3 actually.  Money for us, money for our soldiers to do their job to keep us and our allies safe, and money to help other countries that we are able to assist.  I don't think it has to be an either/or situation here.
Yes it has because there is no money for all those issues.  How can US have a huge deficit, 28 million children living in low incomes families and still wasting money in Iraq?
How can there be mass death in Africa and some people live in palaces over there?

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2006-09-30 16:52:26)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

But to answer the question about Argentina itself, it isn't completely guilty.
That help is shit, Argentina is a rich country and has a lot more to give, as US and the EU countries as well.  How much did the Iraq war cost, how many died because of that war and how many children would be still alive if the money would have been used to help these children?
Exactly. Which is one of the reasons I'm a bit irritated that the US receives the brunt of the blame in these regards.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-09-30 16:58:39)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6694|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Would you prefer the government to spend your money in helping your own people or spending it in wars and support for other countries?
I want my tax dollars to go to all 3 actually.  Money for us, money for our soldiers to do their job to keep us and our allies safe, and money to help other countries that we are able to assist.  I don't think it has to be an either/or situation here.
Yes it has because there is no money for all those issues.  How can US have a huge deficit, 28 million children living in low incomes families and still wasting money in Iraq?
Deficit? Politicians doing their usual things.  28 million low income families?  How do you define low income?  Under what yearly salary?  We have a lot of low income families because parents won't get off their butts and better themselves.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

But to answer the question about Argentina itself, it isn't completely guilty.
That help is shit, Argentina is a rich country and has a lot more to give, as US and the EU countries as well.  How much did the Iraq war cost, how many died because of that war and how many children would be still alive if the money would have been used to help these children?
Exactly. Which is one of the reasons I'm a bit irritated that the US receives the brunt of the blame in these regards.
But I'm not blaming only US, I blame all the rich countries, specially those who throw money away in wars.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7021|PNW

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

That help is shit, Argentina is a rich country and has a lot more to give, as US and the EU countries as well.  How much did the Iraq war cost, how many died because of that war and how many children would be still alive if the money would have been used to help these children?
Exactly. Which is one of the reasons I'm a bit irritated that the US receives the brunt of the blame in these regards.
But I'm not blaming only US, I blame all the rich countries, specially those who throw money away in wars.
I know you aren't specifically, but alot of people do.

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Would you prefer the government to spend your money in helping your own people or spending it in wars and support for other countries?
I want my tax dollars to go to all 3 actually.  Money for us, money for our soldiers to do their job to keep us and our allies safe, and money to help other countries that we are able to assist.  I don't think it has to be an either/or situation here.
Yes it has because there is no money for all those issues.  How can US have a huge deficit, 28 million children living in low incomes families and still wasting money in Iraq?
US government spending runs deep. Its trademark "shock-and-awe" campaign extends to the interior, with ginormous sculpted-glass city police departments and bronze faceless-human-automoton statues (that look like communist remnants from beyond the Iron Curtain) in front of giant brown art globes, in the middle of high-maintenance gardens. Turn lanes are dug out from the center of the roads and replaced with islands filled with trees poorly-chosen, due to their notorious habit of spreading roots wide, not deep (and thus ruining pavement over time). Government officials struggle to spend all of their alotted funds for the year so their budget doesn't get cut the next...where does all this end?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-09-30 17:02:56)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


I want my tax dollars to go to all 3 actually.  Money for us, money for our soldiers to do their job to keep us and our allies safe, and money to help other countries that we are able to assist.  I don't think it has to be an either/or situation here.
Yes it has because there is no money for all those issues.  How can US have a huge deficit, 28 million children living in low incomes families and still wasting money in Iraq?
Deficit? Politicians doing their usual things.  28 million low income families?  How do you define low income?  Under what yearly salary?  We have a lot of low income families because parents won't get off their butts and better themselves.
Read this.
CITYHUNT3R
Member
+15|6717|Winnipeg

N.A.T.O wrote:

CITYHUNT3R wrote:

N.A.T.O wrote:


I seriously doubt that We are resiving aid from that charity here in the USA.
No-one said that you were.
Please excuse did not read you post right.
I said that those children die worldwide. They don't have to have received aid from that charity to have died.
usmarine
Banned
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sergeriver wrote:

I blame all the rich countries, specially those who throw money away in wars.
Was the US throwing money away when we gave supplies to the British during the early days of WWII?

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2006-09-30 17:00:16)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I blame all the rich countries, specially those who throw money away in wars.
Was the US throwing money away when we gave supplies to the British during the early days of WWII?
Oh, sorry is there a WW now?  Forgive me I didn't see Fox today.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7011

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I blame all the rich countries, specially those who throw money away in wars.
Was the US throwing money away when we gave supplies to the British during the early days of WWII?
Oh, sorry is there a WW now?  Forgive me I didn't see Fox today.
Oh fucking forget it, I am done talking to you.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


Was the US throwing money away when we gave supplies to the British during the early days of WWII?
Oh, sorry is there a WW now?  Forgive me I didn't see Fox today.
Oh fucking forget it, I am done talking to you.
Whatever.
CITYHUNT3R
Member
+15|6717|Winnipeg

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I blame all the rich countries, specially those who throw money away in wars.
Was the US throwing money away when we gave supplies to the British during the early days of WWII?
They actually sold oil to Germany as well. So yes, they were throwing money away.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7011

CITYHUNT3R wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I blame all the rich countries, specially those who throw money away in wars.
Was the US throwing money away when we gave supplies to the British during the early days of WWII?
They actually sold oil to Germany as well. So yes, they were throwing money away.
Explain that some more please.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6694|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Yes it has because there is no money for all those issues.  How can US have a huge deficit, 28 million children living in low incomes families and still wasting money in Iraq?
Deficit? Politicians doing their usual things.  28 million low income families?  How do you define low income?  Under what yearly salary?  We have a lot of low income families because parents won't get off their butts and better themselves.
Read this.
The income levels there are not near poverty, so I dispute your 28 million number.  You treat it like they're sitting in the street living in a cardboard box.  They can still put food on the table and keep a roof over their head.  Low income yes, not poverty stricken.  What do you suggest the government to do?  Mandate the minimum wage at $15/ hour??
CITYHUNT3R
Member
+15|6717|Winnipeg

usmarine2005 wrote:

CITYHUNT3R wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:


Was the US throwing money away when we gave supplies to the British during the early days of WWII?
They actually sold oil to Germany as well. So yes, they were throwing money away.
Explain that some more please.
I can't find a source at all, but I know I heard it somewhere. Either way, I'll take that statement back. My bad.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


Deficit? Politicians doing their usual things.  28 million low income families?  How do you define low income?  Under what yearly salary?  We have a lot of low income families because parents won't get off their butts and better themselves.
Read this.
The income levels there are not near poverty, so I dispute your 28 million number.  You treat it like they're sitting in the street living in a cardboard box.  They can still put food on the table and keep a roof over their head.  Low income yes, not poverty stricken.  What do you suggest the government to do?  Mandate the minimum wage at $15/ hour??
Ok, let's talk about the 12,8 million children that live in poverty in the US.  Is it right?  Use the same source if you wish.  This ain't a joke.

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