kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

a bunch of whining and moveon.org talking points
you forgot the ties to nazis, and and and ooh the bin laden family, and and and business deals with george souros, oh wait that last one doesn't count, I don't know where you're getting your info from, but barely passing is still passing, and bush himself has said he was a less than stellar student, but now you are faced with the fact that he went to yale and harvard as well, but it was obviously because daddy made it happen and he was only taking, what was it? underwater baskeyweaving, if you think about it, that's a pretty neat trick, I couldn't weave a basket underwater, the fact that some of his ventures haven't flourished doesn't negate the fact that some have, so far at best you have done nothing but reference some accusations that have never been proven, and selectively ignoring the facts when he does something right, rather than trying to tell us that the texas rangers are a PR tool of the saudi government, you should have taken a jab by saying he was a dumbass for trading Sammy Sosa, oh wait again that won't work, he's all kinds of mixed up with accusations of steroid abuse, domestic violence, abuse of injured leave, and we all know how libs love accusations over substance, so we'll ignore the confirmed use of corked bats, we all know sammy just had a bad day and got confused, but let's talk more about bush's failures, if you look at the histories of said companies, it looks more like he was at the head of a bunch of moves that saved said companies from extinction, only to die out once heavily invested in by sloppily referenced foreigners, so let's say
oil companies: 4 saves, 2 collapses
texas rangers: acquired nolan ryan, got rid of sammy before he burned out, and turned 800000 into 16 mil, so I guess thats 3 successes,
total looks like 7:2
of course by your book, he can only be held responsible for the 2 losses, and the wins were all saudis and daddy's


as for the "cigar" incident, look at the posts we've made, I seem to reference alot of perjury (which by the way has [b]alot[\b] to do with a president and how he manages a country) and sexual assaults, while you seem to keep referencing the words "cock" and "obsession", you may wish to look into sigmund freud

as for the economy, try looking up the bureau of labor statistics, you can find charts of all major economic indicators, plz note that bush's highest unemployment rate is about the same as clinton's average, and as for the deficit,
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/13/D8K44QBG2.html
of course we all know that none of the democratic senators and representatives have ever voted yes on anything that might raise the deficit, and the 14% drop in it this year is solely credited to hillary and the frat boys from massachussetts, please note as well that the highest deficit was 2004, although it's still a deficit, it's still a turn in the right direction, but then we all know that that's to be credited to the democratic minority in DC, or maybe it's just a dirty trick played by the saudis along with the recent drop in gas to get their bush buddies re-elected, and of course the fact that it's their has nothing to do with the attack on the center of worldwide finances and 2 wars, this is the part where you whine that iraq was not necessary, so allow me to show you this  http://www.yourcongress.com/ViewArticle … le_id=2686 , it's called the iraq war resolution, note there are close to 2 dozen reasons listed, not just WMD's which have been found http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html , but that's irrelevant, saddam's failure to abide by his surrender is the true reason we went in, for argument's sake, we'll say there were no weapons, had saddam complied with the surrender terms, we would have been able to determine so

sorry i cut off your next argument

edit: here's the bureau link, the way they wrote the website won't let me link to the pertinent graphs so you'll need to get them yourself, they go back 20 years if I remember correctly
http://stats.bls.gov/

edited edit: you can still try to knock his war record if you wish, i've got those links ready

third edit: even donald trump has filed bankruptcy, twice wasn't it?

fourth edit: (i was drunk I swear) changed "clinton's lowest" to "clinton's average"

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[RDH]Warlord
Quakecon Attendee
+17|6910|SLC, Utah, USA

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Warlord wrote:

Lovely use of the "serious debate" forum, judging people's merits by their signatures...
..............really.... .. . did you notice I spoke about his shitty sig or him personally? Dont make stupid accustaions... I made no statement of his "merits"

Warlord wrote:

There had to have been loads of more false leads that we also ignored, that turn out to be nothing.

Don't forget that we've also had no experience in dealing with preventing any kind of terrorist attack.
Firstly Al Qaeda has attacked targets many times before 9/11 so they are quite the glaring exception. You don't need to wait for them to attack 50 times before you decide they are a legitimate threat. Secondly as far as "no experience" im assuming you were born after 1985 or something becuase there has been arab extermists using terrorist attacks are a wepon for the last hundred years or so.
Sure, there's been terrorism, but nothing prepared us in preventing an attack such as 9/11.  Certainly not in the manner of the changes that happened AFTER 9/11.  You can barely cough in the airport, let alone even joke about terrorism.

As for his sig, there's no real reason to go off just insulting someone's artwork.  It's not friggin art college here.  I'm not defending his behavior/signature, but I hardly see how insulting each other's sig has anything to do with the topic at hand.  It's almost as bad as the Parties attacking their opponent pre-election: It helps nothing but make them self look better in comparison, rather than by their merits.

As for my age, quite close.  Born in 1984, but that doesn't mean I am TOTALLY ignorant of the past.

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Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6697|The Land of Scott Walker
+1 Nice work, kr@cker.  You too ATG.  Clinton refused to address terrorism in any meaningful manner because he was afraid of the political consequences.  He knows he didn't do crap and his legacy that he so carefully crafted is being shattered.  Hence his eyes-bulging attacks when he's questioned about his response to terrorism.

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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7023|PNW

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

yeah it took me 30 seconds.. id vote for your shitty sig being worse
Oh, sensitive about our crappy art, are we? Took me less time to piece together that South Park character from a website than it took you to select two Bush heads.
nope just thought it was misplaced you talkin shit about my little 30 second photoshop job for some stupid shit on this thread while you sport around that dumbass lookin sig wherever you go.

Side note I'd have to say Giving all credit to Reagan for the collapse fothe Soviet Union is as misguided as saying he had nothing to do with it. Had we not gave the Soviet Union something impossible to keep up with they would be intact today. They very least you can give credit that he spent more money than the Russians could ^^
No. I'm serious. Your cut & paste efforts are horrid, and should be treated with digital pepper spray.

As to signatures, none of the material or color scheme to the left is even mine, and the right was generated through a half-automated process. And as for much I care about your ultimately lame insult efforts based on signatures alone, I am Jack's complete lack of shit-giving. Make something generic with a fast car, some boobs, and something roughly related to BF2 (maybe an AK-74). Put your name on it somewhere in a chintzy font, and get back to me.

Side note note: Yeah. I guess we have to give some credit to Nixon too.

kr@cker wrote:

Blah Blah I don't like facts they scare me
Bush's failures are public factual knowledge and its irrelvant if you don't accpet them as facts .. they are facts. The only venture that ever netted positive income was the Rangers and it was not from any busniness savvy through connections and money from his daddy and the Saudi's he bought it cheap and through a natural inflation that every single baseball team had the price went up.

kr@cker wrote:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/13/D8K44QBG2.html
of course we all know that none of the democratic senators and representatives have ever voted yes on anything that might raise the deficit, and the 14% drop in it this year is solely credited to hillary and the frat boys from massachussetts, please note as well that the highest deficit was 2004, although it's still a deficit, it's still a turn in the right direction,
I asked for unbaised reports not from some conservative windbag. Andrew Breitbart is a conservative who was in Michael Moore hates America, anything but unbiased responsibile journalism but then again you refrenced FOX news as a source so I guess you believe any bullshit that comes in a conservative wrapper. Take a carefull look at your link he says the deficit is down 14% from last year instead of it being a 350 billion dollar deficit its 320 billion ... whopdifuckingdoo? its still a huge deficit ..let me know when Dubyah can stop speding like its endless money and create a SURPLUS like the one Clinton left him.

I'm not even a Democrat so all your exaggerations and jabs make me laugh. Feel free to blow shit out of proportion in some emo rant lashing out at Hillary I think it's great.

kr@cker wrote:

this is the part where you whine that iraq was not necessary
This is the part where you stop putting words into my mouth.. or pretend that you know me or my stance on anything. Unlike you I dont have a stamp on my forehead that shows where I get forcefed my opinions. I disagree with lying about the premise of the war and the rewriting that premise long after it was launched.. and thats all. I think Iraq, although could've been handled much better, might have been a positive event instead of what its becoming. As to you believing we found WMD's why doesnt these Bush camp folks stand up and yell it to all thier doubters? Why is it that it's only FOX news that reports that as a fact ? Oh thats right because its bullshit..

kr@cker wrote:

as for the "cigar" incident, look at the posts we've made, I seem to reference alot of perjury (which by the way has [b]alot[\b] to do with a president and how he manages a country)
If you insist on blathering about Clintons cock i'll leave you to it. Noone should be asking him where he put his member other than Hillary. I'm not going to get into the sematics of the differnce between oral sex and intercourse and whther or not he actually lied. Its his penis and i have no interest where he puts it.. if you do i'll leave you to your latenet homoerotic fantasies.

unnamednewbie wrote:

No. I'm serious. Your cut & paste efforts are horrid, and should be treated with digital pepper spray.

As to signatures, none of the material or color scheme to the left is even mine, and the right was generated through a half-automated process. And as for much I care about your ultimately lame insult efforts based on signatures alone, I am Jack's complete lack of shit-giving. Make something generic with a fast car, some boobs, and something roughly related to BF2 (maybe an AK-74). Put your name on it somewhere in a chintzy font, and get back to me.
This is the last time i'm going to respond to you because you are obviously a moron. If you had any photoshop knowledge you'd know I didn't copy and paste anything. I'm quite confident you dont have a fuckin clue how to use photoshop or do what I did. As far as breaking down that bullshit you call a sig I laugh. You could have wrapped that into one sentence ..here is a spattering of skilless garbage I sport around every thread I goto that i made with mspaint. I made that in 30 seconds just for this thread yet you carry around that garbage looking shit every post you go in and describing the method you took to create it is like descibing the shape of a pile of turds. I'm facinated you have a "half automated process" that comes out looking like a pile of shit. You shouldnt let the subject matter make you throw stones in your little shitty glass house.

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kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA
tap tap on the chalkboard, you get a zero for not paying attention


look at the author of the breitbart piece,

"By MARTIN CRUTSINGER"
AP Economics Writer

that's right, one of your precious AP writers, not breitbart, even if it was, it doesn't mean it's not true, as to the bias of other media outlets, I don't have to prove it exists, Dan Rather did so for me, and now, like when you were faced with the fact that bush went to ivy league schools and you chose to ignore that, you are also the one ignoring the fact that the deficit is indeed on it's way down, and I supposedly don't like scary facts
You need to get tapped on the forehead to see if your brain is still functional. Slowing the increase of the deficit is not a decrease its a slower increase. Dan Rather may not be a Bush supporter but he was reporting facts that Bush was awol in the national guard and an armchair quarterback dodging service in Vietnam but full of hoo rah when its time to send other people off to war.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA
"facts that bush was awol" taken from forged documents? I was wrong, you get extra credit


and look, you're attacking bush's military service, farbeit from me to put words in your mouth
the "fact" is (was), if someone flew over your head in vietnam, it was more likely a guard pilot than an USAF pilot

here's a nice breakdown of his guard service
http://www.hillnews.com/york/090904.aspx
it seems that the year in question, when he got out early (a whole 6 months), he was allowed to do so because he had already acheived the minimum amount of points
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=140
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/ … 20Card.pdf
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/ … 2-1973.pdf
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/ … 20Memo.pdf
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/ … Record.pdf
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA
[google]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4360876266270912311&hl=en[/google]
Bush is a Chickenhawk who has been proven to go AWOL . If you have any questions of his unwillingness to be deployed to Vietnam the proof is evident and available. On his National guard application he chose "no active deployment". While the national guard was deployed to Vietnam he specifically used his connections to go to Ellington AFB which had low deployments and chose the f-102 which was not used in Vietnam. He was also short of the fly time to even be considered for deployment. To top it all off right before he went AWOL he applied to join the postal service. All of which point to the obvious fact that Dubyah wanted NO part of Vietnam service .. or military service of any kind for that matter.

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SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6793|Omaha, Nebraska!
Quit Crying On The Forums! Tell Someone Who Cares?

Last edited by SoC./Omega (2006-10-01 13:40:17)

SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6793|Omaha, Nebraska!
Quit Crying On The Forums! Tell Someone Who Cares?
no wonder your stupid... you watch MSNBC!

Last edited by SoC./Omega (2006-10-01 13:41:42)

It's "you're stupid" learn English and have a brain before coming to a debate.
JimmyBotswana
Member
+82|6837|Montreal

kr@cker wrote:

as for the economy, try looking up the bureau of labor statistics, you can find charts of all major economic indicators, plz note that bush's highest unemployment rate is about the same as clinton's lowest.
https://tapes.ieattapes.com/uploads/Bush_O_RLY.jpg

Might want to take a look at this then.

https://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/LNS14000000_126508_1159735235234.gif

Hmmmm it seems that as soon as Clinton took office the unemployment rate began to decline, and as soon as Bush took office it started to increase. Clever argument telling people to go look up the stats at the Department of Labor's Statistics. Too bad someone actually did it.

And for the record I am not a Democrat look at my sig I hate them both. I just know the economy did a hell of a lot better under Clinton than Bush.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA
so crappy flash animation, one of which opens with a quote from Klansman Robert "sheets" byrd, is now a more reliable source than actual dental records and documents that, unlike Dan Rather's hard evidence, were not dated after the author of said documents died
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6961|Wilmington, DE, US

JimmyBotswana wrote:

Hmmmm it seems that as soon as Clinton took office the unemployment rate began to decline, and as soon as Bush took office it started to increase. Clever argument telling people to go look up the stats at the Department of Labor's Statistics. Too bad someone actually did it.

And for the record I am not a Democrat look at my sig I hate them both. I just know the economy did a hell of a lot better under Clinton than Bush.
It's because of Reagan, didn't you know? And Bush's failure is because of Clinton! Aha!

kr@cker wrote:

so crappy flash animation, one of which opens with a quote from Klansman Robert "sheets" byrd, is now a more reliable source than actual dental records and documents that, unlike Dan Rather's hard evidence, were not dated after the author of said documents died
Nah I can sit here and give you a thousand links to documents and proof that Dubyah dodged service. And for the record Byron York is a right wing blowhard. I know its a fact and you'll never accept it as one so I really don't care.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA

JimmyBotswana wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

as for the economy, try looking up the bureau of labor statistics, you can find charts of all major economic indicators, plz note that bush's highest unemployment rate is about the same as clinton's lowest.
http://tapes.ieattapes.com/uploads/Bush_O_RLY.jpg

Might want to take a look at this then.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/LNS140 … 235234.gif

Hmmmm it seems that as soon as Clinton took office the unemployment rate began to decline, and as soon as Bush took office it started to increase. Clever argument telling people to go look up the stats at the Department of Labor's Statistics. Too bad someone actually did it.

And for the record I am not a Democrat look at my sig I hate them both. I just know the economy did a hell of a lot better under Clinton than Bush.
would you be refering to that spike, you know, that one right around september 2001? you might have wanted to cut it into two graphs and left that part out, it still doesn't negate that fact that inspite of 2 wars and a major attack on the worlds financial center which is on US soil his highest unemployment rate is still lower than clinton's average


edit: I see what happened, I used "lowest" on the first post when refering to clinton's "average", got me, I'll fix it, and don't think I'm backpedaling, I've used that reference before on these forums

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-10-01 14:00:43)

JimmyBotswana
Member
+82|6837|Montreal

kr@cker wrote:

it still doesn't negate that fact that inspite of 2 wars and a major attack on the worlds financial center which is on US soil his highest unemployment rate is still lower than clinton's average
Clinton's average is so high because that's what Bush Sr. handed to him. Jeez even a fourth grader would be able to grasp that. What's important (though not to you because it goes against your partisan nature) is the steady decline under Clinton, something not present under Bush. And this doesn't even take into account the massive surplus left by Clinton vs. the massive deficit soon to be left by Bush.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6852|132 and Bush

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Dan Rather may not be a Bush supporter but he was reporting facts that Bush was awol in the national guard and an armchair quarterback dodging service in Vietnam but full of hoo rah when its time to send other people off to war.
Are you serious?


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kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

so crappy flash animation, one of which opens with a quote from Klansman Robert "sheets" byrd, is now a more reliable source than actual dental records and documents that, unlike Dan Rather's hard evidence, were not dated after the author of said documents died
Nah I can sit here and give you a thousand links to documents and proof that Dubyah dodged service. And for the record Byron York is a right wing blowhard. I know its a fact and you'll never accept it as one so I really don't care.
Dan Rather "knew the story to be true" in spite all his evidence being forged as well, right wing he (york) may be, he still used the guard's documentation, you know, instead of making his own

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kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6801|Southeastern USA

JimmyBotswana wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

it still doesn't negate that fact that inspite of 2 wars and a major attack on the worlds financial center which is on US soil his highest unemployment rate is still lower than clinton's average
Clinton's average is so high because that's what Bush Sr. handed to him. Jeez even a fourth grader would be able to grasp that. What's important (though not to you because it goes against your partisan nature) is the steady decline under Clinton, something not present under Bush. And this doesn't even take into account the massive surplus left by Clinton vs. the massive deficit soon to be left by Bush.
so now we can't blame intel failures on clinton policy, but we can blame clinton unemployment on bush 41?

(shoves pencil into eye)

wait, aren't you the one that thinks the WTC was rigged with explosives?

edit: how do you explain the fact that "Bush's recession" (bush 43) started 6 months before he was elected, let me guess, cuz I've heard this one before "everyone knew bush would win the election so wall street started to fumble"

I wish I had MSPaint so I could forge a document you guys might believe

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-10-01 14:18:47)

SoC./Omega
Member
+122|6793|Omaha, Nebraska!

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

It's "you're stupid" learn English and have a brain before coming to a debate.
o whaaaaa go cry, get a life before you correct someone
JimmyBotswana
Member
+82|6837|Montreal

kr@cker wrote:

so now we can't blame intel failures on clinton policy, but we can blame clinton unemployment on bush 41?

(shoves pencil into eye)

wait, aren't you the one that thinks the WTC was rigged with explosives?
First of all, I don't think either administration did enough to catch bin Laden. Clinton was offered him by Sudan, and instead let him flee to Afghanistan. And in July 2001 Osama bin Laden was admitted to the American hospital in Dubai for dialysis, during which time he was visited by the chief CIA agent in the region. If we wanted we could have arrested him then. Why we didn't involves Osama's history as a CIA operative in the 80s and is a whole other topic for another thread, another day.

Guardian article: CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/s … 44,00.html

But if you had watched the video you would see Clinton passed Bush a strategy which he did not pursue.

But when Clinton came into office he couldn't magically make disappear the high unemployment legacy of Reagan and Bush Sr. That took a little time. Which is why it is most important to see the steady decline under Clinton. Of course I understand that you don't want to do that because you are obviously extremely biased towards the Republicons. Rather pathetic if you ask me but it's still a free country.

SoC./Omega wrote:

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

It's "you're stupid" learn English and have a brain before coming to a debate.
o whaaaaa go cry, get a life before you correct someone
Please.. you are way too ignorant and immature to be in the debate forum.

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