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2006-09-30 03:55:38

Pernicious544: Zee Tank Skank; +80|6949|MoVal So-Cal

First off, please don't respond to any other persons response. I don't care if it is, in your view, dumb or irrational. If Lisk says something then don't flame him, if Bubbalo says something don't flame him. I just want to know what you all think about the average Muslim person related to the average Catholic or any other religious believer. No responding to one another just your personal views without worry of someone bashing you.....even if what you say is odd in their eye. I'll go first.

Many people these days judge a book by it's cover, because they don't know someone they think they already do. I'm guilty of it, I'll be the first to admit, but I want to try and show that I can compare how their beliefs may be different doesn't make them all terrorists and murderers. You see crowds of hundreds in videos chanting "Death to the US." What you don't see are the American religious extremists (forgive me but i don't know what religion the KKK and the Neo Nazis are part of) that say "Death to the black man." The truth is that every religion has extremists, extremists that make the other followers of their beliefs look bad. So then why is it that the Arab people are looked at as animals by some, humans with bombs by some, enemies of the world by some and people from a different planet by others? I don't consider myself a liberal, I just want to point out that for every crazed religious zealot there are a thousand that are just like you and me, normal people living normal lives in their part of the world.

don't respond to me but rather make your own view know and then keep from responding to any others. I know many people don't agree with Lisk and Bubbalo but if they are to find this topic let them place their views here without worry of anyone picking it apart

2006-09-30 04:09:43

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

Muslim beliefs, or how it is being practiced, do not mix with western ideals. It is a stifling belief system. The US has been around for a few hundred years, look at our advancements and technology we bring to the world. All the Mulim countries have nothing or produce nothng and they are the oldest civilizations in history. Even their oil is processed by western technology.

Until the "average" Muslims of the world get a grip on those that are representing their faith I have no use for them.

2006-09-30 04:17:48

Cammc: Member; +3|7000

I go to University with a muslim dude who is a really good guy. Yes he does have some different beliefs but thats cool. He doesn't drink or anything like that. It is Ramadan at the moment (9th month of the islamic calander) so he is fasting during daylight hours. Now I have respect for that. He's not an extremist or anything like that. He is a normal dude eh. I'm a catholic who rarely goes to church. So I have respect for people like him eh. The only muslims we ever see are the crazy extremists. There are just as many cathoilic extremists as muslims ones. We just never see them. So don't judge a book by its cover.

2006-09-30 04:19:44

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7015|Cambridge (UK)

People are people are people.

2006-09-30 04:22:30

maffiaw: ph33r me 傻逼; +40|6670|Melbourne, AUS

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
People are people are people.

hear hear

2006-09-30 04:24:18

Korpen: Member; +6|6669

Having spent 7 years in the Middleeast I have this to say:
All religious extremists are dangerous/contradict modern ideals/etc. If you really want to be honest the muslims are really 1000 years behind us in history: i.e. their calender is around the year 1000 after thier prophet. I see any person as an induvidual and I do not judge them based on their culture or religion. I mean I have friends that are muslim yet I am protestant; yet, somehow they still haven't tried to bomb me or harm me. Also, the important thing to remember about religion is that it involves alot of interpretation; thus, it is realatively easty for someone to read the Quran/Koran, Bible, etc and use information found in any holy book essentially to justify crazy actions. Extremism in any religion/system of beliefs usually leads to some negative consequences Just, look at the Spanish Inquisitions, the Crusades, etc. A person should not be judged based on their religion or where they are from, but on their actions. Every culture and religion has its own beliefs and ideals and achievements. So, in summarization I say: "Why can't we be friends."

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2006-09-30 04:35:16

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

I guess the reason why we can't be friends is Munich '72, Beruit '83, Lockerby Scotland '88, and on and on and on to today.

2006-09-30 04:41:17

Korpen: Member; +6|6669

lowing wrote:
I guess the reason why we can't be friends is Munich '72, Beruit '83, Lockerby Scotland '88, and on and on and on to today.

Good point, however its not like we in the West have a guiltless conscience.

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2006-09-30 04:48:53

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

Korpen wrote:
lowing wrote:
I guess the reason why we can't be friends is Munich '72, Beruit '83, Lockerby Scotland '88, and on and on and on to today.
Good point, however its not like we in the West have a guiltless conscience.

I do agree whole heartedly, however the difference is

1. We have recognized our misstakes of the past and strive to work toward improving on them

2. We air our dirty laundry for the whole world to see and hold each other accountable for our actions.......Timothy McVeigh for example, or any other misdeeds committed by US forces in this war.

2006-09-30 04:54:32

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7015|Cambridge (UK)

LOL people are soo funny...

Can't even follow simple instructions.

That's why the world is in the mess it's in - nowt to do with what one believes in, the colour of ones skin, or the language one speaks - it's all down to the fact that large proportion of the population of the planet are just idiots.

2006-09-30 04:58:26

Korpen: Member; +6|6669

lowing wrote:
Korpen wrote:
lowing wrote:
I guess the reason why we can't be friends is Munich '72, Beruit '83, Lockerby Scotland '88, and on and on and on to today.
Good point, however its not like we in the West have a guiltless conscience.
I do agree whole heartedly, however the difference is

1. We have recognized our misstakes of the past and strive to work toward improving on them

2. We air our dirty laundry for the whole world to see and hold each other accountable for our actions.......Timothy McVeigh for example, or any other misdeeds committed by US forces in this war.

Still, they must be given the same chance....Also, I would not agree wholeheartedly that we show everything to the world and that we hold each other accountable it would be nice if that was the case....but alas.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
LOL people are soo funny...

Can't even follow simple instructions.

That's why the world is in the mess it's in - nowt to do with what one believes in, the colour of ones skin, or the language one speaks - it's all down to the fact that large proportion of the population of the planet are just idiots.

Rules are meant to be broken...lol
P.S. Broad generalizations about people generally backfire...

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2006-09-30 05:02:57

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7006|Argentina

I put Muslims and Catholics in the same bag. All religions suck. Since this last statement is a fact for me, then I don't have any problem with a person being Muslim or Catholic, I don't give a shit. There are extremists in all the religions, and there are a few good people in every religion, I'm now talking of the persons who live for religion, priests and others. The common people, it doesn't matter if they are Muslims, Catholics, Jews, Sponge Bob fans, it's the same.

2006-09-30 05:06:32

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

It is impossible to follow your rules set forth in this thread when you want to discuss it. I posted my opinion on the Catholic / Muslim comparison, now I am responding to aspects of it directed at me.

2006-09-30 05:12:10

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7015|Cambridge (UK)

Also doesn't help when people can't even get simple facts straight - like who started this thread...

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2006-09-30 05:12:30

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

Korpen wrote:
lowing wrote:
Korpen wrote:

Good point, however its not like we in the West have a guiltless conscience.
I do agree whole heartedly, however the difference is

1. We have recognized our mistakes of the past and strive to work toward improving on them

2. We air our dirty laundry for the whole world to see and hold each other accountable for our actions.......Timothy McVeigh for example, or any other misdeeds committed by US forces in this war.
Still, they must be given the same chance....Also, I would not agree wholeheartedly that we show everything to the world and that we hold each other accountable it would be nice if that was the case....but alas.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
LOL people are soo funny...

Can't even follow simple instructions.

That's why the world is in the mess it's in - nowt to do with what one believes in, the colour of ones skin, or the language one speaks - it's all down to the fact that large proportion of the population of the planet are just idiots.
Rules are meant to be broken...lol
P.S. Broad generalizations about people generally backfire...

Name another country that is as open and transparent than the America.

They have been given a chance, open borders is an example of this, yet because of our generosity, belief in freedom, the basic honestly and integrity of all people, we have left ourselves vulnerable to future incidences. Hell, we are fighting amongst ourselves whether we should allow profiling to try and weed out those that are most likely to attack us.

2006-09-30 05:13:09

Korpen: Member; +6|6669

sergeriver wrote:
lowing wrote:
It is impossible to follow your rules set forth in this thread when you want to discuss it. I posted my opinion on the Catholic / Muslim comparison, now I am responding to aspects of it directed at me.
Debating is in your nature.

Or he may just be a closet anarchist...who knows...spreading chaos....

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2006-09-30 05:14:03

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

sergeriver wrote:
lowing wrote:
It is impossible to follow your rules set forth in this thread when you want to discuss it. I posted my opinion on the Catholic / Muslim comparison, now I am responding to aspects of it directed at me.
Debating is in your nature.

As opposed to who, that shows up in this forum routinely???

I like the mental exercises ya get with debating on here, it forces you to research and think and heavens forbid.....learn something from time to time.

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2006-09-30 05:15:19

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7015|Cambridge (UK)

Closet anarchist: Someone that hangs their shoes on the coat rack and puts their coats in the fridge?

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2006-09-30 05:15:58

Korpen: Member; +6|6669

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Closet anarchist: Someone that hangs their shoes on the coat rack and puts their coats in the fridge?

Sure, I'll go with that....

2006-09-30 05:17:04

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

Korpen wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
lowing wrote:
It is impossible to follow your rules set forth in this thread when you want to discuss it. I posted my opinion on the Catholic / Muslim comparison, now I am responding to aspects of it directed at me.
Debating is in your nature.
Or he may just be a closet anarchist...who knows...spreading chaos....

LOL, Nehhhhh

2006-09-30 05:26:05

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

sergeriver wrote:
lowing wrote:
Korpen wrote:

Still, they must be given the same chance....Also, I would not agree wholeheartedly that we show everything to the world and that we hold each other accountable it would be nice if that was the case....but alas.

Rules are meant to be broken...lol
P.S. Broad generalizations about people generally backfire...
Name another country that is as open and transparent than the America.

They have been given a chance, open borders is an example of this, yet because of our generosity, belief in freedom, the basic honestly and integrity of all people, we have left ourselves vulnerable to future incidences. Hell, we are fighting amongst ourselves whether we should allow profiling to try and weed out those that are most likely to attack us.
Argentina. We have open borders. We are a country of 40 million people and we have illegal aliens for almost 10 million people. In the WWII we opened our borders for European people, that's why we are today a mix between Italians, Spanish's, Greeks, Jews, Germans, and at that time we were one of the top economies of the world. Don't think America is the only open and transparent country in this tiny planet. We didn't invade Iraq and left a mess there. We didn't invade Afghanistan and left a mess there. We did invade Malvinas Islands (not Falkland or Fuckland), coz they are our land. Live your fantasy dude.

And how many planes were flown into your skyscrapers?? ( for Afghanistan )

When Argentina becomes a super power, you will be forcd on the world stage and expected to act. Untilthen you are comparing apples and oranges. We probably have 40 million people in 1 state alone

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2006-09-30 05:26:10

AlbertWesker[RE]: Not Human Anymore; +144|6893|Seattle, WA

Muslim Catholic, Absolutely the same, maybe not in beliefs, but in right to practice religion and number of extremsim linked (not Catholicism TODAY). Most muslims are not extremists and most muslims condemn "retards like Bin Laden" (What a muslim friend of mine said). And that they are just "pushing forth their own skewed agenda of world domination." Another direct quote. Here are my thoughts

ANYONE that wants to Attack this country, ANYONE, I don't care if they are black, white, red, green, Muslim, Jewish, Cathoclic, Aethiest, ANYONE, will be met with force, we will not tolerate being attacked by anyone, and we will not tolerate being terrorized. This is a new era, history will mark these last 6 years as the end of appeasment and the beginning of a new resolve to take on our enemies wherever they are, so that we don't have to fight them on our own land.

2006-09-30 05:26:45

Korpen: Member; +6|6669

lowing wrote:
Name another country that is as open and transparent than the America.

They have been given a chance, open borders is an example of this, yet because of our generosity, belief in freedom, the basic honestly and integrity of all people, we have left ourselves vulnerable to future incidences. Hell, we are fighting amongst ourselves whether we should allow profiling to try and weed out those that are most likely to attack us.

A)You cannot seriously be trying to say that there are no other countries as free/open as America(note not a criticism of America; just saying that other countries have as much freedom of speech, democracy, etc.)
B)Even though America is very free and open that still does not mean that everything is shown to the world or that people are always accountable for thier actions.

Last edited by Korpen (2006-09-30 05:28:35)

2006-09-30 05:30:48

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6900|USA

Korpen wrote:
lowing wrote:
Name another country that is as open and transparent than the America.

They have been given a chance, open borders is an example of this, yet because of our generosity, belief in freedom, the basic honestly and integrity of all people, we have left ourselves vulnerable to future incidences. Hell, we are fighting amongst ourselves whether we should allow profiling to try and weed out those that are most likely to attack us.
A)You cannot seriously be trying to say that there are no other countries as free/open as America(note not a criticism of America; just saying that other countries have as much freedom of speech, democracy, etc.)
B)Even though America is very free and open that still does not mean that everything is shown to the world or that people are always accountable for thier actions.

Like I said we air our internal dirty laundry form our citizens and our govt.

2006-09-30 05:31:07

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7015|Cambridge (UK)

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