BF2S Forums The selfishness of the USA

Reading all these unselfish posts I remember the words of a contemporary poet named Ice-T (Body Count).

1994 bc still in the house they did
Everything they could do to take us out
But like any good monster that just made us stronger
You see, they dont like us and they dont like you,
The bc fan,
cause they know we stand for three things
Truth, justice and fuck the american way
That word justice got me fucked up though
Twenty cops in the street, two go to jail
Thousands of people died in wars
Overseas and its justice ?
You think they give a fuck about us ?
Youre a fool

Born yellow,
Born brown,
Born red,
Born black,
Born dead
Dead
Born dead

Born asian,
Born jewish,
Born latino,
Born poor,
Born dead
Dead
Born dead

But you dont hear me though

Dead
New york , atlanta, chicago, oakland, miami, detroit

Every day I gotta get out my muthafuckin bed,
Put on my muthafuckin gun,
Down in my muthafuckin gun,
Down in my muthafuckin pants, cause
Muthafuckas out here is trippin

How the fuck you gonna get up every morning
Tryin to worry about if you gonna make it to the next evening
Do you understand ?
Sometimes we take for granted
The little things like food, like freedom

Born in somalia,
Born in south america,
Born in south africa,
Born in south central,
Born dead
Dead

Born dead

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Mr.Pieeater wrote:

The guy who started this post is a cool dude.  We should cut off all those bastards who don't like us.  Let them starve to death and then they will no longer be a problem!  +1 dude!

I really think Kmarion is cool, but I also think you are just a kid.  I hope so.

I'm a grown ass kid  .. 31 For the record

I mean Mr. Pieeater, I know you are a grown up, despite your comments.  Lol.

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I really think Kmarion is cool, but I also think you are just a kid.  I hope so.

I'm a grown ass kid  .. 31 For the record

I mean Mr. Pieeater, I know you are a grown up, despite your comments.  Lol.

Hey you sound like my girlfriend now..lol

sergeriver wrote:

When you give a quarter to a beggar in the street, do you think he will love you, or he will still be hating his life?

He will still be hating his life.

Only if that person is responsible.

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

When you give a quarter to a beggar in the street, do you think he will love you, or he will still be hating his life?

It's not hating his life it's hating the person who gave you the quater. So let's keep the quarter then?

So, you don't do charity to help people, you do it to feel good about yourself, then is a selfish act.  If you expect people to love you because of your charity then you are buying love not doing true charity for nothing.

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

When you give a quarter to a beggar in the street, do you think he will love you, or he will still be hating his life?

It's not hating his life it's hating the person who gave you the quater. So let's keep the quarter then?

So, you don't do charity to help people, you do it to feel good about yourself, then is a selfish act.  If you expect people to love you because of your charity then you are buying love not doing true charity for nothing.

I do in fact, I said it like that to point of the absurdity of the thought. Just like I did when I labeled this topic. Don't you see the point of this topic is to show that although you may not agree with us we will still help?

BTW did you just call Bubbalo a Con..lol

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

So, just like virtually every industrialized country on earth, the USA doesn't deny aid to needy citizens because of the political whims of their leaders. That's good. However, I'm not so sure that proves your title was necessarily sarcastic.

The US does give the most official deveopment assistance (ie, foreign aid) of any country in the world. By far. That's pretty natural, seeing as how we are the richest country in the world.

Total official development assistance by country, 2005 (source: OECD)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1456 … 005sr8.png

But to really measure selfishness, we have to go beyond the AMOUNT given.

Total official development assistance as a % of gross national income, by country, 2005 (source: OECD)

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6192 … 005oq7.png

So a billionaire donates a hundred bucks, and a little kid with only a dollar to his name donates a nickel. Who's stingier?

27.4 billion dollars is still 27.4 billion dollars regardless of who is donating them. I understand your point that USA contributes a small amount of their gross income, but we must also consider that a lot of the income is being spent on other things that help the world advance. Things like medical research, technology advances, new energy source discovery, etc, etc. At the same time, a lot of these funds go to military purposes which don't exactly help other countries if you know what I mean... but I'd like to think that the USA does their part on world causes.

weamo8 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

It's not hating his life it's hating the person who gave you the quater. So let's keep the quarter then?

So, you don't do charity to help people, you do it to feel good about yourself, then is a selfish act.  If you expect people to love you because of your charity then you are buying love not doing true charity for nothing.

This isnt about "true" charity - whatever you think that is.  The truth is the U.S. puts more food in the stomach's of starving people than any other nation in the world.  When you are desperately hungry you dont give a damn where the food is coming from or why it is there.

And dont confuse conservative with Republican.  There is a huge difference between the two in the U.S. now-a-days.

Where did I say conservative is equal to Republican?

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

And another revealing chart
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/dev … dgraph.gif

Alls that proves is that they ALL spend more on there military So whats your point?

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Title was obviously sarcastic.
This information is a little old but just as relevant today.

What most Americans do not realize is that the vast majority of the recipients of US Foreign Aid routinely vote against the wishes of the United States in the UN at an average rate of 74%.

So, just like virtually every industrialized country on earth, the USA doesn't deny aid to needy citizens because of the political whims of their leaders. That's good. However, I'm not so sure that proves your title was necessarily sarcastic.

The US does give the most official deveopment assistance (ie, foreign aid) of any country in the world. By far. That's pretty natural, seeing as how we are the richest country in the world.

Total official development assistance by country, 2005 (source: OECD)

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1456 … 005sr8.png

But to really measure selfishness, we have to go beyond the AMOUNT given.

Total official development assistance as a % of gross national income, by country, 2005 (source: OECD)

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6192 … 005oq7.png

So a billionaire donates a hundred bucks, and a little kid with only a dollar to his name donates a nickel. Who's stingier?

This is only based on what our government gives.  We double the 2nd giver, and if we were to add all the money that the US gives to places like the Red Cross, then the numbers will be completely different.  I would even bet that the US gives more to those type of chartable organization.  For example, the 2004 tsunami the US citizens give 1875M (USD) to aid.  This does not account for corporations that also donated.  This is higher the the last nine on your first chart, and more then the last four combined.

Note:  That out of the top four in the first chart only UK is listed on my source, and it is stated that they have given 654.9M (USD) or  roughly one third of the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitari … earthquake

Also, if you look at your chart, Japan, the second largest giver is only ranked four spots higher on your second cart.

If US citizens were as less giving as you state, when where would the people that are effected by natural disaster each year be helped?

By the way, the original post was asking why does the US provide support to those who continue to not agree with the US most of the time?  Why do they not support the US, but freely open their banks to our support each year?  Why is it that when something happens, they come running to the US?  On top of that, how much of our aid is not used on the citizens of that nation?  How much goes into other government ran projects?  How much goes into corrupt government officials personal bank account? 

One more thing, how much of the US military spending helps the UN?  This may not be given for aid, but it does help the UN when it comes to peacekeeping, wars, and conflicts.