kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA
if only they had that wild bitch with the leash from abu ghraib to shave me and treat me like a dog, that + chili peppers+food on request in the tropics has the makings of an S+M club vacation package

blood sugar sucker fish in my dish, how many pieces do you wish?
jonsimon
Member
+224|6744
The spanish inquisition tortured pagans until they would convert to christianity so that their soul may be saved when they were executed. Obviously this justifies our comparatively lenient treatment of prisoners.

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6740|Northern California

jonsimon wrote:

The spanish inquisition tortured pagans until they would convert to christianity so that their soul may be saved when they were executed. Obviously this justifies our comparatively lenient treatment of prisoners.

No, it illustrates WHY we shouldn't mistreat prisoners.  Stooping to their levels does not justify anything except your inability to lower your standards.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6744

IRONCHEF wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

The spanish inquisition tortured pagans until they would convert to christianity so that their soul may be saved when they were executed. Obviously this justifies our comparatively lenient treatment of prisoners.

No, it illustrates WHY we shouldn't mistreat prisoners.  Stooping to their levels does not justify anything except your inability to lower your standards.
Yeah, I was definetly dripping in sarcasm.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6740|Northern California

jonsimon wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

The spanish inquisition tortured pagans until they would convert to christianity so that their soul may be saved when they were executed. Obviously this justifies our comparatively lenient treatment of prisoners.

No, it illustrates WHY we shouldn't mistreat prisoners.  Stooping to their levels does not justify anything except your inability to lower your standards.
Yeah, I was definetly dripping in sarcasm.
Doh!  Now you've gone and earned a "Sorry, I'm an asshat" sympathy karma! +1
Aenima_Eyes
Member
+20|6900

IRONCHEF wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Actually the firebombing we did in WW2 was MUCH worse than the 2 atomic bombs dropped on Japan.
Do you mean the napalm firebombing we did in vietnam?  if so, that still didn't kill the hundreds of thousands instantly and eventually killed from the two atomic bombs in Japan.
No. . .I said the firebombing in WW2 and so I meant the firebombing in WW2. . .

He was trying to say that we Americans were horrible or some such for droping atomic bombs and I was pointing out shit that we did which was worse than that.

Ever read Slaughterhouse 5?

Last edited by Aenima_Eyes (2006-09-28 16:24:21)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7011

CameronPoe wrote:

America sucks.
I do not have to read anything you say, since it can be summed up by these two words.
Possum61
Member
+9|6997|Philly PA USA

stryyker wrote:

we are such the evil empire.
Yes we r so sad    lol  lol
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6740|Northern California

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

Actually the firebombing we did in WW2 was MUCH worse than the 2 atomic bombs dropped on Japan.
Do you mean the napalm firebombing we did in vietnam?  if so, that still didn't kill the hundreds of thousands instantly and eventually killed from the two atomic bombs in Japan.
No. . .I said the firebombing in WW2 and so I meant the firebombing in WW2. . .

He was trying to say that we Americans were horrible or some such for droping atomic bombs and I was pointing out shit that we did which was worse than that.

Ever read Slaughterhouse 5?
Ok, first, vietnam fire bombing killed way more than WW2 firebombing, but NEITHER even come close to the few hundred thousand each atomic bomb did.  Please prove otherwise.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6846|Seattle

America has done nothing as bad as Germany or even worse (and much less known or talked about), Japan. All has been forgiven for those countries, no? So it's only the jealousy of America's fortunes which are the sin of the world in todays societies? That's what makes us evil. We're successfull and we stick up for our friends. Ya'll need to get up off our tip for the fact that you're on it like a gnat on a dogs dick.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA
i just want to know when this whole idea that we need to apologize for being successful started, was it like that for england at the turn of the century?
Korpen
Member
+6|6669
The goal does not justify the means--> i.e.  I can give you world peace-->but my mehtod is nuking the entire planet...wow I solved the problem but in the proccess I killed everyone alive... Yes, Al Qaeda and terrorists are evil but if we stoop to their level they have already won. Sure, if we throw out every value that is in any way American it will be easier to fight terrorism; but then their really isn't an America we even have to defend.

Last edited by Korpen (2006-09-29 17:54:15)

Raptor1
Member
+19|6737
not yet, we still don't blindfold prisoners and cut off their heads and record it.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7011

King_County_Downy wrote:

America has done nothing as bad as Germany or even worse (and much less known or talked about), Japan. All has been forgiven for those countries, no? So it's only the jealousy of America's fortunes which are the sin of the world in todays societies? That's what makes us evil. We're successfull and we stick up for our friends. Ya'll need to get up off our tip for the fact that you're on it like a gnat on a dogs dick.

kr@cker wrote:

i just want to know when this whole idea that we need to apologize for being successful started, was it like that for england at the turn of the century?
You guys forgot one thing........ You need to say "America Sucks" in every post to be considered a member of the debate section.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6846|Seattle

lol oh. sorry
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6865|do not disturb

Do we not portray ourselves as the good guys? For the most part.

You're logic is just flawless btw.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA

usmarine2005 wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

America has done nothing as bad as Germany or even worse (and much less known or talked about), Japan. All has been forgiven for those countries, no? So it's only the jealousy of America's fortunes which are the sin of the world in todays societies? That's what makes us evil. We're successfull and we stick up for our friends. Ya'll need to get up off our tip for the fact that you're on it like a gnat on a dogs dick.

kr@cker wrote:

i just want to know when this whole idea that we need to apologize for being successful started, was it like that for england at the turn of the century?
You guys forgot one thing........ You need to say "America Sucks" in every post to be considered a member of the debate section.
will do
ts-pulsar
Member
+54|6752

IRONCHEF wrote:

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:


Do you mean the napalm firebombing we did in vietnam?  if so, that still didn't kill the hundreds of thousands instantly and eventually killed from the two atomic bombs in Japan.
No. . .I said the firebombing in WW2 and so I meant the firebombing in WW2. . .

He was trying to say that we Americans were horrible or some such for droping atomic bombs and I was pointing out shit that we did which was worse than that.

Ever read Slaughterhouse 5?
Ok, first, vietnam fire bombing killed way more than WW2 firebombing, but NEITHER even come close to the few hundred thousand each atomic bomb did.  Please prove otherwise.
Wow, you really need to watch the history channel more often.  The US firebombed just about every major city in japan, often destroying entire cities.  Remember Dresden?  The US did that to a lot of japanese city's.  Most of the building in Japan during WW2 were bamboo with thatch roofs, so they burned readily.

I'm not in the mood to do an in depth search to find casualty numbers, but heres a nice list showing cites, and much was destroyed by firebombing.

http://www.ditext.com/japan/napalm.html
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA
perhaps carpet bombing is the more appropriate term, as that was the (only) method available at the time, just to prevent confusion
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6846|Seattle

The funny thing about all these analogies about carpet bombing and nukes and all that shit is that if the tides were turned and THEY had the weapons, what do you think THEY would've done? Would you be player hatin' on them like everyone does to us? War is hell, you do what you gotta do to win. There's no ROE for THEM. Just us. That's fucked. We get all this bullshit critisism for what? America is not trying to take over the world.

edit: this is not aimed at anyone in particular...just the America haters in general.

Last edited by King_County_Downy (2006-09-29 22:42:02)

Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6767|Montucky
The U.S. is Damned if we do and damned if we don't.

*edit*   Now why in the fuck does every political post on this forum end up in America bashing?

Last edited by S3v3N (2006-09-29 22:45:13)

ts-pulsar
Member
+54|6752

kr@cker wrote:

perhaps carpet bombing is the more appropriate term, as that was the (only) method available at the time, just to prevent confusion
No, it was actually firebombing.  THe US used small bombs to blow the roofs off of buildings then a second wave of bombers came through dropping incendiary bombs.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6846|Seattle

White phosphorus and napalm. Ahhhhh....smells like victory.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6965

King_County_Downy wrote:

The funny thing about all these analogies about carpet bombing and nukes and all that shit is that if the tides were turned and THEY had the weapons, what do you think THEY would've done? Would you be player hatin' on them like everyone does to us? War is hell, you do what you gotta do to win. There's no ROE for THEM. Just us. That's fucked. We get all this bullshit critisism for what? America is not trying to take over the world.

edit: this is not aimed at anyone in particular...just the America haters in general.
QFT. If America did want to take over the world... they would have already.
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cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6945|NJ
I didn't read any of the post at all. All I know is that the only way for human survival is peace and advancement.. every act of war is a step backwards... Call me crazy but acceptance and moving foward is the only way we stand a chance... Man and Man are all the same, they might have different belifes But we need to move foward as a whole..

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