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2006-09-22 08:08:05
BN
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sergeriver wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


What else then do you need to make a nuke?
I'm gonna have to copy BN's answer here. Desire. The thing is this equipment can also just be used to enrich the stuff to power plant grade uranium. But this article doesn't say anything about Iran having or buying nuclear weapons, which is what you are saying.
I'm just guessing, I'm not sure, but the possibility exists.
what does anyone gain from a nuke?

isolation from the rest of the world.

increase hostilities

mutual destruction clause
2006-09-22 08:08:26
Colfax
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aardfrith wrote:

Colfax wrote:

There is a difference between the U.S. possessing nukes and Iran if you can not differentiate then you need to do some more research.
The only difference I see is that Iran hasn't invaded anyone recently.  Sure, they've done a lot of posturing but so has the U.S.
Because Iran couldn't invade someone.

to Tetrino:

Stop being lazy and do your own damn research.  I've told you why i was saying your research is wrong.  Since when do we not care N.Korea has nukes
2006-09-22 08:13:00
Colfax
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BN wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:


I'm gonna have to copy BN's answer here. Desire. The thing is this equipment can also just be used to enrich the stuff to power plant grade uranium. But this article doesn't say anything about Iran having or buying nuclear weapons, which is what you are saying.
I'm just guessing, I'm not sure, but the possibility exists.
what does anyone gain from a nuke?

isolation from the rest of the world.

increase hostilities

mutual destruction clause
Except the U.S. isnt isolated form the world

Maybe increased hostilities

MAD (Mutual assured destruction) doesnt exist anymore..when onside doesn't care if they all die.
2006-09-22 09:37:57
manitobapaintballa
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iran has no intention of useing nukes against anyone if they actually make nukes it would be to prevent attacks on their contry (just the threat of an atomic attack is enuf to stop an invasion).

and not to mention the U.S. was against them haveing a nuclear power plant even tho they don't have the right to object to them having it
2006-09-22 09:40:19
AllmightyOz
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mafia996630 wrote:

Prove Iran has nukes.
do you think they would just keep em out in the open and make it easy for us to do so? I think not.
2006-09-22 09:43:58
Rosse_modest
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AllmightyOz wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Prove Iran has nukes.
do you think they would just keep em out in the open and make it easy for us to do so? I think not.
Why not? Makes things a hell of a lot easier. Let everyone else know you have them, and everyone else is scared chicken shit all of a sudden. What's the point in hiding them?
2006-09-22 09:47:58
mafia996630
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AllmightyOz wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Prove Iran has nukes.
do you think they would just keep em out in the open and make it easy for us to do so? I think not.
"Innocent till proven guilty" ?
2006-09-22 10:05:37
<[onex]>Headstone
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Sambuccashake wrote:

I find it strange that some countries are somehow allowed to have nukes when others can't.

"-Look here lad, you give me those nukes right now or I swear there will be trouble!"

"But... You've got nukes."

"That's beside the point! We... Well... You... I'm one of the good guys you see? You belong to the bad guys and that's why we are entitled to have 'em!"

"Ergh... Run that by me again will ya?"

*Sigh* 

"Right, we will take this castle by force!"

Sorry about the Python thingy there but I found this whole subject intriguing.

US - OK
France - OK
North Korea - Hell no!
Iran - Are you crazy?!
India - Ok (Even though they haven't signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty)
Pakistan - Ok (Even though they haven't signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty)
Because the countries with them(excludeing Pakistan and NK LOl Have the restraint and are not going to throw the switch Over a frigging religion. thats the difference.
2006-09-22 10:07:37
GATOR591957
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Tetrino wrote:

I don't understand why America has such an issue with Middle-Eastern nations developing nuclear weapons. They themselves have bunches of nukes at their disposal. They don't really mind North Korea making them. What's the deal?

In any case, there is no solid proof of Iran developing and/or buying nukes. Even if they did, what's the deal?

My two cents.
The main reason we fear the ME having nukes is that they'll actually use them against us.  Any use of nuclear weapons in this day and age means the end of the world for all os us.  If anyone launches against the US I can guarantee you anyone within a 3000 mile radius of the launch will see warheads approaching, and most likely anyone we feel is associated with that country as well.
2006-09-22 11:16:20
Jusster
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Ahh........I'm sure the Russians will pass a few secrets Irans way lol



Jusster
2006-09-22 11:40:36
Colfax
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manitobapaintballa wrote:

Iran has no intention of using nukes against anyone if they actually make nukes it would be to prevent attacks on their country (just the threat of an atomic attack is enuf to stop an invasion).

and not to mention the U.S. was against them having a nuclear power plant even tho they don't have the right to object to them having it
Are you serious.  Iran has said that they want to wipe Israel off the face of the world.  The president said that.  So your telling me its for defense.  Your an idiot.  If i said I'm going to kill you and i have hated you all my life and parents and grand parents have hated you all their lives.  Would you let me go buy a gun down the street from your house?

It doesn't matter anyways.  As soon as Iran comes out that they have a nuclear weapon or are close to one its over.  Pandora's box will be open and there is no turning back.  U.S. and their allies would launch everything at every military site they have.  And depending on where Iran is with their weapons will launch their nukes on Israel and then Israel on them and then its over.  They world will go in to nuclear war and the times won't be pretty.
2006-09-22 11:54:18
PRiMACORD
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Colfax wrote:

Maybe because Amaidadajad(sp) has said specifically he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.  .
No he hasn't, thats what the totally unbiased media turned his original statements into.

He said he wants the Zionist regime removed.

Huge difference, thanks media!
2006-09-22 12:03:22
DocZ
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mafia996630 wrote:

Prove Iran has nukes.
prove they don't
2006-09-22 12:16:51
Rosse_modest
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DocZ wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Prove Iran has nukes.
prove they don't
Oh look it's the latest thing: guilty until proven innocent.

Of course this brings up a problem, how will you ever know when to stop looking if you can't seem to find any (ie when they really don't have 'em)? How will you know that your inability to find them is due to the fact that you haven't looked hard enough or to the fact that there's really nothing to find? You'll just keep on looking till the end of days, and all the while they'll remain guilty. This is why you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't work the other way around.

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2006-09-22 12:18:59
Colfax
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PRiMACORD wrote:

Colfax wrote:

Maybe because Amaidadajad(sp) has said specifically he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.  .
No he hasn't, thats what the totally unbiased media turned his original statements into.

He said he wants the Zionist regime removed.

Huge difference, thanks media!
Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, translates the Persian phrase as:

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

or

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly:

"This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history."

And how might he help it collapse or elimination?
You still don't see the connection?
Don't be ignorant.

Why are you fighting for Iran?  What do you gain from it? 

If they aren't making nukes why can't we go take a peak?
What do they need nukes for? Protection? ha
They don't need protection.  From who Israel?  Israel won't do a first strike.
2006-09-22 12:47:47
Kmar
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sergeriver wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I heard just today that Iran is far from developing nukes.
Far from developing, yes, but from buying them?  Read the article.  Al-Qaeda itself could have a nuke.
I heard some time ago of reports that they had purchased some on the Russian black market. They had solid evidence. It was on the Radio so I'll have to see if I can dig up some of it. From what I remember it was 4 or 5 of them.

Iran hiding stuff is old news BTW. If they were so innocent why would they kick the IAEA out?

VIENNA, Austria -- Iran told the International Atomic Energy Agency to remove surveillance cameras and agency seals from sites and nuclear equipment by the end of next week, the U.N. watchdog agency said Monday.

Iran's demands came two days after the IAEA reported Tehran to the Security Council over its disputed atomic program. The council has the power to impose economic and political sanctions.

In a confidential report to the IAEA's 35-member board, agency head Mohamed ElBaradei said Iran also announced a sharp reduction in the number and kind of inspections IAEA experts will be allowed, effective immediately.

The report was dated Monday and made available to The Associated Press.

http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/20 … 0505.shtml

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Xbone Stormsurgezz
2006-09-22 13:07:52
PRiMACORD
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Colfax wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

Colfax wrote:

Maybe because Amaidadajad(sp) has said specifically he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.  .
No he hasn't, thats what the totally unbiased media turned his original statements into.

He said he wants the Zionist regime removed.

Huge difference, thanks media!
Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, translates the Persian phrase as:

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to wipe Israel off the map because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."

or

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly:

"This regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history."

And how might he help it collapse or elimination?
You still don't see the connection?
Don't be ignorant.

Why are you fighting for Iran?  What do you gain from it? 

If they aren't making nukes why can't we go take a peak?
What do they need nukes for? Protection? ha
They don't need protection.  From who Israel?  Israel won't do a first strike.
1. I'm not fighting for Iran, i just don't want our country invovled in another Iraq x 10 which is what Iran would be.

2. Attacking Iran will create more terrorists

3. I don't feel threatened by Iran
2006-09-22 13:39:38
Colfax
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I don't want to be involved in another war.  But if everything is fine and there is no concern why can't we go in and look?  If they want a nuclear program for power go for it.  But allow us to make sure it is for power.
iran can not have nuclear weapons.  The world WILL be an extremely dangerous place if that happens.
2006-09-22 13:42:10
Rosse_modest
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Colfax wrote:

But if everything is fine and there is no concern why can't we go in and look?
Curieuzeneuzemosterdpot!

Your curiosity will be your undoing, my young padawan.
2006-09-22 13:48:01
sergeriver
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I think nukes are extremely dangerous in the hands of any country.  Did you see Crimson Tide?  Well, that boat was American, so any mistake could start a global war for nothing. 
I think Iran shouldn't have nukes as Israel shouldn't have them.  I don't trust Israel.  It is very possible that Israel use a nuke in any moment, so why don't you all get worried for Israel having nukes?
2006-09-22 13:48:17
Colfax
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Rosse_modest wrote:

Colfax wrote:

But if everything is fine and there is no concern why can't we go in and look?
Curieuzeneuzemosterdpot!

Your curiosity will be your undoing, my young padawan.
Ignorance will kill you my good man.
2006-09-22 13:50:08
Rosse_modest
Member
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Colfax wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:

Colfax wrote:

But if everything is fine and there is no concern why can't we go in and look?
Curieuzeneuzemosterdpot!

Your curiosity will be your undoing, my young padawan.
Ignorance will kill you my good man.
Good thing I'm not ignorant, then.
2006-09-22 13:52:31
Colfax
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Israel wont use nukes because they are our bitch.  They will not strike first.

The idea of having nukes is MAD (mutual assured destruction) problem id MAD doesn't apply to Islamic extremists b/c they don't care if they die.  the A-Bomb is invented already you can't uninvent it.  Someone has to have them.  The question is who will be responsible with them.

Rosse_modest wrote:

Colfax wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:


Curieuzeneuzemosterdpot!

Your curiosity will be your undoing, my young padawan.
Ignorance will kill you my good man.
Good thing I'm not ignorant, then.
the fact you don't think your ignorant makes you ignorant because you are ignorant.

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2006-09-22 13:53:32
PRiMACORD
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Colfax wrote:

I don't want to be involved in another war.  But if everything is fine and there is no concern why can't we go in and look?  If they want a nuclear program for power go for it.  But allow us to make sure it is for power.
iran can not have nuclear weapons.  The world WILL be an extremely dangerous place if that happens.
How would the world be more dangerous? They can't nuke anyone, the second they launch one they will get 10x the nukes right back in the face (rightfully). I don't think they are that stupid.

I'm sure someone said the same thing about Pakistan having nukes.
2006-09-22 13:53:37
Rosse_modest
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sergeriver wrote:

Did you see Crimson Tide?  Well, that boat was American, so any mistake could start a global war for nothing.
Did you see The Lord of The Rings? I think you'd better not give your girlfriend a golden engagement/wedding ring, or you'll just be heading for serious trouble.

OK, I'm gonna stop fooling around now, since this is debate and serious talk...

 

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