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Spark wrote:

But saying 'why don't you spend it son something else' is silly. These people's life dreams are based on the results of this machine (a lot of people), and you come a long and shout 'no, you have to give your money to someone else'?

http://techfreep.com/worlds-largest-sup … iverse.htm

I find it disheartening that other physicists disagree, or at least argue that there are too many unknowns regarding this project, not to mention the fact that there IS a chance of oops.

Speaking of chances of failure, given that said small chance could potentially affect the world's population, shouldn't the world's population have a say?

While I'd rather die of my own accord, I'll admit that since I could care less what they're looking for or what they find, I'm already biased.

Shut up, if the universe ended no one would even realize it.  Not that it even will, anyway.  They said there was a 10 percent chance of the first nuclear bomb blowing up the Earth, too.

Rygar wrote:

Spark wrote:

But saying 'why don't you spend it son something else' is silly. These people's life dreams are based on the results of this machine (a lot of people), and you come a long and shout 'no, you have to give your money to someone else'?

http://techfreep.com/worlds-largest-sup … iverse.htm

I find it disheartening that other physicists disagree, or at least argue that there are too many unknowns regarding this project, not to mention the fact that there IS a chance of oops.

Speaking of chances of failure, given that said small chance could potentially affect the world's population, shouldn't the world's population have a say?

While I'd rather die of my own accord, I'll admit that since I could care less what they're looking for or what they find, I'm already biased.

You will not die by your own accord if this does create a rift.  You will die by theirs.  Caution is never a bad thing.  I believe the dissension is good.  Why don't they sit down and continue dialog on this before we go and make a very very large mistake.

Ask yourself this question, What are they basing these odds on?

Last edited by GATOR591957 (2006-09-22 11:26:05)

right.... basic flaw in quamtum theory/mechanics.... 

Big Bang....  In the beginnning there was nothing, and then that exploded....

Why can't they accept that the universe just is, always was and will always be...  But mankind cannot grasp the idea of infinity...
Instead of creating rifts to other dimensions, trying to prove big bang etc...  Focus on creating viable means of propulsion and "exotic matter".  (for those who don't know: exotic matter is the missing piece of the puzzle to create a stable quantum singularity - It is within our grasp to fold space, even more plausible then dimensional rifts) 

That's what scientists should be working on, not this aimless dilly-dallying...  Well maybe something called "fusion energy" and "teleportation" (which by the way is recently proven possible, they have already succesfully transported photons) may be worth some attention, too.  The infinite unkown is within our grasp here....

GATOR591957 wrote:

You will not die by your own accord if this does create a rift.  You will die by theirs.

That's what I meant, sorry.
Agree on caution.

DocZ wrote:

right.... basic flaw in quamtum theory/mechanics.... 

Big Bang....  In the beginnning there was nothing, and then that exploded....

Why can't they accept that the universe just is, always was and will always be...  But mankind cannot grasp the idea of infinity...
Instead of creating rifts to other dimensions, trying to prove big bang etc...  Focus on creating viable means of propulsion and "exotic matter".  (for those who don't know: exotic matter is the missing piece of the puzzle to create a stable quantum singularity - It is within our grasp to fold space, even more plausible then dimensional rifts) 

That's what scientists should be working on, not this aimless dilly-dallying...  Well maybe something called "fusion energy" and "teleportation" (which by the way is recently proven possible, they have already succesfully transported photons) may be worth some attention, too.  The infinite unkown is within our grasp here....

Knowing if there are multiple dimensions will help scientists understand the nature of the universe. By doing so, it helps them develop more refined theories that then in turn enable them to use that knowledge to develop things like fusion energy (a lot further off than some would have you believe) or transporters. I read the article on transporters, very fascinating. Still quite a ways off before we can say "beam me up" but it is is small steps like this that help us develop our science to a point where what we consider science fiction becomes science fact.

Saw something about that on TV. Look spretty wicked.

Ok so I know these little big bangs and mini black holes are going to be really, really, reeeaaallly small, but how can they possibly know how much power they'll create?  I'm not talking about the good power either...not the stuff that runs an entire city for 18 years on less than nothing with no waste or polution.  I'm talking about the uncontrollable power that destroys everything it comes in contact with. 

Now, maybe they've been able to study enough about blackholes to get some idea of what to expect on a given scale for a size : power ratio.  But I'm pretty sure there's only been one big bang (in theory...you know, since there's no way to know for certain that's how the universe was created.)  But, assuming the big bang THEORY is true, how would anyone possibly have any information on it.  I mean, how many/how big were the particles that were involved in the original big bang?  How fast were they moving?  Was there dark matter or dark energy around?  How many dimensions were intersecting?  Can any one give a single hard fact about it?  And since the answer to that is "No", than how can they calculate anything about the "mini" big bangs?  These scientists insist that everything will be in miniature scale, but how can they possibly know one way or the other about the size of anything before or during the creation of the universe?  With that in mind, how can they have any idea of the amount of power they might be dealing with?

Or what if the blackholes do open another dimention and there happens to be dark matter or dark energy right on the other side of the portal that gets sucked into our dimention by the mini black hole?  What if that stuff is really bad and consumes our planet, or even our solar system?

How about the fact that everything in the universe has a balance (thus, the Earth and other planets in our system don't fall into or away from the sun.)  Each force effects it's surroundings to keep everything in balance.  What happens if that balance is thrown off and the moon lands on their little underground labratory?

Or what if Klingons come through and when they are shunned and labeled as outcasts they decide to go live on Uranus...that joke would lose ALL of its meaning.  I just don't know if I could deal with that.

Sounds like scary stuff to me, but I'm extremely intrigued.  If I were a cat I would have suffered my fate at the hands of curiosity about 20 minutes ago.  I just don't know as much about it as I'd like to.  Makes me wish I would have become a molecular physisist instead of going into the hotel business and later joining the AirForce...if only I had known.

The other possibility is that everything they're talking about doing in that article, has already been done successfully and now they will take the next year or two to continue research and release info to the world once they know what they're doing.  You know, kinda like in Hollow Man when Kevin Bacon tells the board that they're getting close but need more time only so they could go onto the next step of research without all of the bureaucratic red tape.

Well, whatever the case, I bet those computers would make for a sweet, lag free gaming experience.  Good luck to everyone, hope we're not all vaporized next year...or ever for that matter.

OMG, wait, what if France takes over, kicks out the Swedes and uses this thing for the military advantage they've never had?  Maybe they decide they want revenge on the Freedom Fries munching bullies across the pond.  Maybe they decide to make one of their black holes a little bigger and suck the US right off the globe!

JEEZ!!!  So many posibilities...I can't hardly wait!



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Last edited by MastersMom (2006-09-22 12:59:01)

Winston_Churchill wrote:

DocZ wrote:

right.... basic flaw in quamtum theory/mechanics.... 

Big Bang....  In the beginnning there was nothing, and then that exploded....

Why can't they accept that the universe just is, always was and will always be...  But mankind cannot grasp the idea of infinity...
Instead of creating rifts to other dimensions, trying to prove big bang etc...  Focus on creating viable means of propulsion and "exotic matter".  (for those who don't know: exotic matter is the missing piece of the puzzle to create a stable quantum singularity - It is within our grasp to fold space, even more plausible then dimensional rifts) 

That's what scientists should be working on, not this aimless dilly-dallying...  Well maybe something called "fusion energy" and "teleportation" (which by the way is recently proven possible, they have already succesfully transported photons) may be worth some attention, too.  The infinite unkown is within our grasp here....

Link to teleportation story?

read it in a local science magazine a While ago now, but basically this is the principle:

Machine scans photon, machine duplicates photon at other location.  Machine destroys original photon.

DocZ wrote:

Winston_Churchill wrote:

DocZ wrote:

right.... basic flaw in quamtum theory/mechanics.... 

Big Bang....  In the beginnning there was nothing, and then that exploded....

Why can't they accept that the universe just is, always was and will always be...  But mankind cannot grasp the idea of infinity...
Instead of creating rifts to other dimensions, trying to prove big bang etc...  Focus on creating viable means of propulsion and "exotic matter".  (for those who don't know: exotic matter is the missing piece of the puzzle to create a stable quantum singularity - It is within our grasp to fold space, even more plausible then dimensional rifts) 

That's what scientists should be working on, not this aimless dilly-dallying...  Well maybe something called "fusion energy" and "teleportation" (which by the way is recently proven possible, they have already succesfully transported photons) may be worth some attention, too.  The infinite unkown is within our grasp here....

Link to teleportation story?

read it in a local science magazine a While ago now, but basically this is the principle:

Machine scans photon, machine duplicates photon at other location.  Machine destroys original photon.

And after having spent a shitload of money on the project, the scientist's discovered it had all been done before and their efforts had been in vain.

Take a letter, scan it in with a desktop scanner, mail the file to the office upstairs, print it there, then put the original letter in the paper shredder.

Their ego probably got bruised too, since the competition was able to transport a whole piece of paper, whereas they couldn't get past a single photon.

Last edited by Rosse_modest (2006-09-22 13:37:09)

DocZ wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:

DocZ wrote:

read it in a local science magazine a While ago now, but basically this is the principle:

Machine scans photon, machine duplicates photon at other location.  Machine destroys original photon.

And after having spent a shitload of money on the project, the scientist's discovered it had all been done before and their efforts had been in vain.

Take a letter, scan it in with a desktop scanner, mail the file to the office upstairs, print it there, then put the original letter in the paper shredder.

Basically, in layman's terms, yes...  But we are talking about the actual evolution of completely reproducing a 3-dimensional object right down to the sub-molecular stucture and likely even neurological patterns...  But indeed the drawback is, with this technology, If you go through it, your original self will be broken down sub-molecularly immediately after the duplication is complete...  I am no doctor, but that sounds painful...

Basically, if they ever evolve past photons with this technology, it'll be more like an insta-clone machine...

I do tend to say basically a lot in these kinds of matters...

Oh you do, do ya?

DocZ wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:

DocZ wrote:

Basically, in layman's terms, yes...  But we are talking about the actual evolution of completely reproducing a 3-dimensional object right down to the sub-molecular stucture and likely even neurological patterns...  But indeed the drawback is, with this technology, If you go through it, your original self will be broken down sub-molecularly immediately after the duplication is complete...  I am no doctor, but that sounds painful...

Basically, if they ever evolve past photons with this technology, it'll be more like an insta-clone machine...

I do tend to say basically a lot in these kinds of matters...

Oh you do, do ya?

Basically, yes.....

Wanna be a bit more specific?

DocZ wrote:

...we are talking about the actual evolution of completely reproducing a 3-dimensional object right down to the sub-molecular stucture and likely even neurological patterns...  But indeed the drawback is, with this technology, If you go through it, your original self will be broken down sub-molecularly immediately after the duplication is complete...  I am no doctor, but that sounds painful...

Basically, if they ever evolve past photons with this technology, it'll be more like an insta-clone machine...

I do tend to say basically a lot in these kinds of matters...

Ok, so I've heard about the possibility of teleportation and even that there has been some success on a particle based level (teleporting a particle from a station at one side of a room to a station at the other side of the room) however,  I never got any details on how the process works so it may have been essentially the same thing you're talking about.  But if that's the case, what you're talking about and what I heard about, is NOT teleportation...it's replication.  Just take out the part where the original is destroyed and all you're doing is replicating.  But if that's the case, and replication is possible, the possibilities are endless.  Is this machine literally just making matter out of nothing?  If so than there would no longer be a need for fossil fules...just replicate fuel, for starters.  Something like that could literally bring an end to starvation, poverty, war, etc.  Replicate new body parts for those waiting for transplants.  I know there is the whole stem cell research thing that made a big fuss, but if this is making something out of nothing it would simply be scanning cells, not actually using cloned cells and growing anything, it would scan and produce.  I seriously can't hardly wait to see what our world's scientists figure out in the next twenty years.