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Poll

Would you support a Military Coup to remove a Corrupted Government?

Yes62%62% - 89
No, democracy has tools to remove corrupted politicians37%37% - 54
Total: 143
2006-09-21 16:46:45
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

TeamZephyr wrote:

Not wrote:

That'd be communism, but who's counting?
Wrong. The direct rule over people through a military police and the suppression of free speech and many other freedoms is infact fascism.

lowing wrote:

UHHHHHH the USSR.........Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics. but who is counting

They walk hand in hand.
Wrong again. China is called the People's Republic China, does that mean it's ruled by the people? No it does not. You can't judge something from it's name. Just because they were called Socialist in 1920 doesn't mean they were socialist during the Stalin years and into the Cold War.

Please do a bit of research from something other than a right wing source and actually try and gain an open mind on things rather than labelling people who don't agree with you as a "liberal" as if it's some kind of insult.

Person - I don't think the US government did enough for Hurricane Relieft
Lowing - Well you must be a LIBERAL.

Person - I'm an Atheist
Lowing - LIBERAL.

Person - I believe the Israeli army is a terrorist force
Lowing - You're a LIBERAL!

Seriously mate, you're sounding more like a broken record every day.
If you think the govt. should be more responsible for you than you should be...........Liberal

I have never braught religion into politics....so this argument is void.

If you sympathize for the group of people that ARE KNOWN FOR HIDING AND FIGHTING AND USING CIVILIANS AS SHIELDS. Then you fall into the liberal group, unless there is a conservative group that supports the terrorists, but I haven't seen one.


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/ … index.html


Here ya go, yet another poor terrorist group being victimized by the WEST. Another group you can throw support to.
2006-09-21 16:47:50
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

kr@cker wrote:

lowing wrote:

Complete govt. control over our lives, socialism, no national identity or individualism. I guess we could change the name of our country to the Soviet Union, since it isn't being used anymore.
now you know that's just going to start some argument about how warm and fuzzy socialism is and how it goes hadn in hand with democracy. how it has nothing to do with communism, and in no way would rely on a police state for survival

edit: again I post before reading the second page, but looky what happened!!!
yeah I know.
2006-09-21 18:18:56
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6936|Tampa Bay Florida

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

lowing, funny that the SAME neo-cons who claim they are patriotic and are American are completely destroying our reputation, our freedoms, and our way of life.  America under the control of radical Christian extremists is not what our founding fathers had in mind.  Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom to pursue happiness, even if that means we must go to war with Islamic radicals.

lowing tactic, as usual : Put piles of sh*t in other people's mouths.
Ya lost me, you are not willing to go to war with Islamic radicals....
I'm not?  Hell yes, I am.  What the hell are you thinking?  Ever heard of Afgahnistan?  You know, with the terrorists who were responsible for 9/11?  How we went there?  Invaded?  And fought back?  There weren't many people complaining then.  BUT when you bring the "War" in Iraq into the picture, then things change a little. 

And again, I'll say it : lowing puts piles of sh*t into other people's mouths

But, as far as my point goes : We are giving up freedoms in this "War on Terror".  We should never have to do that, unless the enemy is one of collosal power and poses a serious threat to us (cough cough Nazi Germany)

Last edited by Spearhead (2006-09-21 18:21:32)

2006-09-21 19:10:56
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6807
I'm waiting on those names, lowing..................
2006-09-21 19:25:31
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

I'm waiting on those names, lowing..................
IRONCHEF , mafia996630 , Spearhead , TrollmeaT , TheFlipTop , Spark , Pubic

You go back and read the posts yourself, there are only 3 pages, these are on page 1.
2006-09-21 19:26:54
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

Spearhead wrote:

lowing wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

lowing, funny that the SAME neo-cons who claim they are patriotic and are American are completely destroying our reputation, our freedoms, and our way of life.  America under the control of radical Christian extremists is not what our founding fathers had in mind.  Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom to pursue happiness, even if that means we must go to war with Islamic radicals.

lowing tactic, as usual : Put piles of sh*t in other people's mouths.
Ya lost me, you are not willing to go to war with Islamic radicals....
I'm not?  Hell yes, I am.  What the hell are you thinking?  Ever heard of Afgahnistan?  You know, with the terrorists who were responsible for 9/11?  How we went there?  Invaded?  And fought back?  There weren't many people complaining then.  BUT when you bring the "War" in Iraq into the picture, then things change a little. 

And again, I'll say it : lowing puts piles of sh*t into other people's mouths

But, as far as my point goes : We are giving up freedoms in this "War on Terror".  We should never have to do that, unless the enemy is one of collosal power and poses a serious threat to us (cough cough Nazi Germany)
Would you care to name the freedoms you are neglected?
2006-09-21 21:08:51
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6807
Actually, lowing, only two of those advocated violence against the Bush regime.  Yet again, you run around making a fool of yourself.  Does that make you feel good, or are you one of those people who likes to feel bad?
2006-09-21 21:16:15
Spyder228
Member
+1|6692
Sometimes I think that the country is to big to suit the needs of it's people and perhaps it should be segmented into smaller parts.
2006-09-21 22:46:53
JimmyBotswana
Member
+82|6832|Montreal

lowing wrote:

Well you are the very first "liberatarian socialist" I have ever met". Gunna have to ponder that one for a bit. It sounds kinda like being a "Christian Muslim". But hey, most liberals live in a made up fantasy world anyway. I guess you can be anything you want.
Yeah lowing it's made up there really is no such thing as Libertarian Socialism I just invented something out of thin air.

Sigh.

"While many varieties of socialism emphasize the role of the state or political party in promoting liberty and social justice, libertarian socialists place their hopes in trade unions, workers' councils, municipalities, citizens' assemblies, and other non-bureaucratic, decentralized means of action. Many libertarian socialists advocate doing away with the state altogether, seeing it as a bulwark of capitalist class rule."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

lowing wrote:

I am curious how you can support national insurance, welfare, afirmative action, caps on pay for CEO's, AGAINST the Fair Tax, support a reduced military, support our country to answer to a hostile UN, NOT support closing our borders, Support amnisty for the millions of illegals that are already here, and say you are for a small govt.
Nobody said they supported any of that there you go again putting words in people's mouths. This just all comes from your blatant prejudice you invent things you think are true. It's really quite something I think you may have a serious psychological problem.

I agree with you, however the democrats that were the era of JFK are lonnnng gone. They have been replaced by the the likes of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Howard Dean...... etc. Like it or not, the defininition of "liberal" is not what is in the dictionary now.
They are them, we are us. Did anyone here claim to be Hillary Clinton, John Kerry or Howard Dean? No, I didn't think so. They don't speak for us. Liberalism, like conservatism, has many different guises and beliefs.
2006-09-22 02:42:55
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

Actually, lowing, only two of those advocated violence against the Bush regime.  Yet again, you run around making a fool of yourself.  Does that make you feel good, or are you one of those people who likes to feel bad?
Actually bubbalo, they all answered in the positive to the question.

Nope, I feel pretty good, thanks for asking.


Ya know what I love about liberals? They will criticize all day long, and if they don't agree with you they will call you stupid, fool , ignorant and a ton of other shit, yet not once has a single one of them ever offered an alternative idea that has not been tried and failed.
2006-09-22 02:52:33
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

JimmyBotswana wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well you are the very first "liberatarian socialist" I have ever met". Gunna have to ponder that one for a bit. It sounds kinda like being a "Christian Muslim". But hey, most liberals live in a made up fantasy world anyway. I guess you can be anything you want.
Yeah lowing it's made up there really is no such thing as Libertarian Socialism I just invented something out of thin air.

Sigh.

"While many varieties of socialism emphasize the role of the state or political party in promoting liberty and social justice, libertarian socialists place their hopes in trade unions, workers' councils, municipalities, citizens' assemblies, and other non-bureaucratic, decentralized means of action. Many libertarian socialists advocate doing away with the state altogether, seeing it as a bulwark of capitalist class rule."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

lowing wrote:

I am curious how you can support national insurance, welfare, afirmative action, caps on pay for CEO's, AGAINST the Fair Tax, support a reduced military, support our country to answer to a hostile UN, NOT support closing our borders, Support amnisty for the millions of illegals that are already here, and say you are for a small govt.
Nobody said they supported any of that there you go again putting words in people's mouths. This just all comes from your blatant prejudice you invent things you think are true. It's really quite something I think you may have a serious psychological problem.

I agree with you, however the democrats that were the era of JFK are lonnnng gone. They have been replaced by the the likes of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Howard Dean...... etc. Like it or not, the defininition of "liberal" is not what is in the dictionary now.
They are them, we are us. Did anyone here claim to be Hillary Clinton, John Kerry or Howard Dean? No, I didn't think so. They don't speak for us. Liberalism, like conservatism, has many different guises and beliefs.
Never heard of such shit, not only is your dream, just that, a dream, it is also about as anti-American as it gets..........better to just call you a liberal. Right off the top it would never work because that would take EVERYONE pulling their own wieght in society, As a LIBERAL, you know better than most that THAT ain't gunna happen. How do you know?? LIBERALS want more programs set up to take care of those people that choose not to contribute. WHY?? Because lazy, non-working, crackwhores, can vote as well.

Regardless if you agree with them or not, those modern day liberals are the ones toting the banner for all of you......good luck with that.
2006-09-22 02:56:55
doneyone
Member
+30|6801|Holland Hardcore
What are u trying to prove man? get a f-ing life!!
2006-09-22 03:03:12
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

doneyone wrote:

What are u trying to prove man? get a f-ing life!!
I love the "get a f-ing life!!" from a person who spends time creating a sig to try and show off their BF2 accomplishments...now THAT is funny!!
2006-09-22 04:03:25
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7014

lowing wrote:

doneyone wrote:

What are u trying to prove man? get a f-ing life!!
I love the "get a f-ing life!!" from a person who spends time creating a sig to try and show off their BF2 accomplishments...now THAT is funny!!
hahahahaha, +1
2006-09-22 04:48:50
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7003|Argentina
Lowing when you attack Liberal people you are attacking half your country m8.  Did you ever think that?  Being Liberal is not such a bad thing, you should try it yourself, at least to know what you are talking about.
2006-09-22 05:48:39
Colfax
PR Only
+70|6890|United States - Illinois
I can barely post in topics any more because i know that all that is going  to happen is some epeen kiddie that hates bush is gonna come in bring up how much their life sux and they blame it all on bush.

Is that all you have?   Can any of you honestly prove that bush is directly affecting your life right this moment (i highly doubt it because you play bf2...which means you have a computer....which means you are middle class or higher in society and your parents or you are doing good enough to afford a par or above par gaming computer).  In two years he will be gone.  Get over it.

I hope the cia or fbi or homeland security knocks your door down for saying you accept the idea of over throwing our gov't.  Then you get thrown in GITMO where they torture you with loud music, sleep depervation, and not letting you go to the bathroom.

And now someone is gonna quote me and tell me how wrong i am and that bush is evil.....

P.S.  I can't believe no one has started a topic about how Huge Chav(idiot)ez called Bush the devil.
2006-09-22 09:14:26
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7009

aardfrith wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Last Tuesday a coup took place in Thailand in order to remove Prime Minister, but for further information read this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5362698.stm .
What would you do in case of a coup in your own country?
Let me brief all of you on what is happening.

THIS IS NOT COUP

At least that's what the soldiers themselves are saying. What kind of coup involves kids being shown how to operate a tank? I myself have surfed a total of 2 M41's and what I think is a Stingray (can't find enough info on this tank to know). I've sat upon the turret with the barrel suggestively in between my legs. And what do the soldiers do? Laugh, take pictures, and wave to the other people taking pictures of them. A soldier let me fuck around with his M-16, provided he took out the magazine first (i think there was still a chambered round though). I've seen kids play war pretending to operate the tanks.

If you still call that a coup...

The military leaders just wanted to force Thaksin (former PM) out before he replaced them all. Near the end of this year all the high generals were due for resignation/new promotions of other people. Just like tons of other positions, Thaksin would promote his supporters to supreme power positions in the military. That's on the borderline of a military dictatorship taking place. Who knows what would happen after that? A coup would be impossible.

Next: The government here was terrible. Thaksin made more than US$2 BILLION through Singapore and a loophole as being Prime Minister. He controls the largest mobile phone network in Thailand. This guy is so rich he decided to invest 100 Million US dollars for 30% of the Liverpool soccer team.

Thaksin wasn't even the Prime Minister, he 'resigned' only to retake a position as the 'Caretaker'. Ridiculous bullshit.

Kmarion wrote:

That is why we have elections. Usually coups are more corrupt than than the people they replace. Like my man ^^ said.
And of course, Thaksin rigged the last two elections. Half of Thailand's population lives outside of the major cities, in rural areas and are protected by certain constitutional laws, and couldn't give a flying fuck as to who is the Prime Minister. So what Thaksin does, is uses his masses of money to buy their votes. He paid on average 200 baht (no more than 5 US Dollars) which, to the farmers, is a fortune, to get their vote. Since they couldn't care if he wins or not, they take the bribes. So he wins. Plain and simple.

Spark wrote:[b]As a last resort.

usmarine, coups generally aren't like strikes. They're based on dissatisfaction with the government's core policies, values and actions - not how much super you get given.
I beg to differ. The Supreme Commander of the Thai Military as a whole (think Eisenhower, WWII) was under a salary of near a US$1.2 Million Dollars, because he supported the Prime Minister. He was against the coup, even though he had complete power over the army. A lot of high-up people were getting paid more than they should, more than their US counterpart, simply because they agreed with the PM.

So, back to the question on hand... Yes.

Although I'd like to let you all know, it is not a coup.
If it's not a coup, how would you describe the military rising up and taking power from the elected (even if they bought votes, they were still voted in) officials?  And now they've banned all meetings and other activities by political parties. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p … 366908.stm

That sounds awfully like a coup to me.  So they are trying to get the population on side?  Still a coup.They apologize for the inconvenience formally, and aren't seizing control, just making sure that Thaksin doesn't get back as 'semi-PM'/'caretaker'. If you go on to the streets here, anywhere that there are soldiers, ask them if it's a coup or the thai equivalent (can't recall it right now) and they'll say no.
2006-09-22 09:15:21
AllmightyOz
Member
+50|6732|United States - Ohio
I would join the coup most definatly. I wanna fire up the old anarchy.
2006-09-22 14:48:45
JimmyBotswana
Member
+82|6832|Montreal

lowing wrote:

Never heard of such shit, not only is your dream, just that, a dream, it is also about as anti-American as it gets..........better to just call you a liberal. Right off the top it would never work because that would take EVERYONE pulling their own wieght in society, As a LIBERAL, you know better than most that THAT ain't gunna happen. How do you know?? LIBERALS want more programs set up to take care of those people that choose not to contribute. WHY?? Because lazy, non-working, crackwhores, can vote as well.

Regardless if you agree with them or not, those modern day liberals are the ones toting the banner for all of you......good luck with that.
lowing, can I see a picture of you? How old are you, 14? I mean, you claim to be an adult and berate all liberals as 16 year olds with no job sponging off their parents but if you are as old as you claim to be I have never met anyone as immature for their age as you.
2006-09-22 14:54:05
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6895
u know Ur country is in trouble if the military has opted in removing a democratically voted government from power. Yes, the government is corrupt say for example in Thailand, i assume we are talking about this situation, but a military coup is a step backwards. Yes, the corrupted government is removed but is the military actually going to give the power back to the people. Same thing happened in Pakistan and now it is a military run country. It is, however good that the king, supposedly, supported the coup as this may help in restoring a decent level of democracy
2006-09-22 18:39:57
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

JimmyBotswana wrote:

lowing wrote:

Never heard of such shit, not only is your dream, just that, a dream, it is also about as anti-American as it gets..........better to just call you a liberal. Right off the top it would never work because that would take EVERYONE pulling their own weight in society, As a LIBERAL, you know better than most that THAT ain't gunna happen. How do you know?? LIBERALS want more programs set up to take care of those people that choose not to contribute. WHY?? Because lazy, non-working, crackwhores, can vote as well.

Regardless if you agree with them or not, those modern day liberals are the ones toting the banner for all of you......good luck with that.
lowing, can I see a picture of you? How old are you, 14? I mean, you claim to be an adult and berate all liberals as 16 year olds with no job sponging off their parents but if you are as old as you claim to be I have never met anyone as immature for their age as you.
Why thank you...........The difference is..........I speak on domestic issues from experience, I have seen the race card played at work when management tried to fire a minority for stealing. I have seen illegal immigrants rent a single home and move 3 families into it and NOT pay taxes on the money they earn.

I have BEEN in line behind someone using food stamps while they pay cash for smokes and beer oh and lottery tickets.

When a student of my wife's house burned down around Christmas about 10 years ago, I took up a collection at work, got about 450 bucks, I went out and bought the kids a nice Christmas and gave the left over money to the parents ( all anonymously) who then was spotted in the store buying smokes and bragging about his "wind fall".

I have 100% absolutely no use for people in this country that leech off of hard working Americans. Like it or not, these are also the SAME VOTERS that liberal democrats target for re-election. Sorry if the truth tastes so bitter.
2006-09-22 18:41:56
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6897|USA

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing when you attack Liberal people you are attacking half your country m8.  Did you ever think that?  Being Liberal is not such a bad thing, you should try it yourself, at least to know what you are talking about.
I would try it, but sharing my hard earned money with those that don't feel like they need to work for a living just doesn't appeal to me.
2006-09-22 19:03:54
SolidusSnake12
Member
+2|6884
anyone see the movies The Rock and XXX State of the Union?
2006-09-22 19:06:52
slash_clown
Member
+9|6713|Australia
The apparently much loved king of Thailand King Bhumibol Adulyadej legitimized the takeover.
2006-09-22 19:13:12
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7003|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing when you attack Liberal people you are attacking half your country m8.  Did you ever think that?  Being Liberal is not such a bad thing, you should try it yourself, at least to know what you are talking about.
I would try it, but sharing my hard earned money with those that don't feel like they need to work for a living just doesn't appeal to me.
Being a liberal means you don't want to work for a living?  Or you just talk about the people who kept out of the American dream and haven't been as lucky as you.  You know there are some requirements to get your social security check?  It must be pretty sad living in a bunker waiting to be bombed or invaded by immigrants.

 

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