just a proof that u are anti-Semite! how sad to bee u! bhahahaYour right if u did, i would still bash isreal
Ah Lisik, not learning any more English are you?
Let me give you a quick lesson on formulating an argument and making a point. Mafia said nothing anti-Semitic. You call him an anti-Semite. This proves you are a moron.
Let me give you a quick lesson on formulating an argument and making a point. Mafia said nothing anti-Semitic. You call him an anti-Semite. This proves you are a moron.
Guerilla warfare refers to a hit and fade style of warfare, rather than a more traditional pitched battle style. You can be a terrorist whilst using either of these techniques: traditionally, state terrorism is further by those who use a pitched battle style, whilst terrorism coming from NGOs uses the guerilla style.Michael82 wrote:
Guerrila fighters will mostly target military. If you target civilians, you attack people on their land and innocents. Thereby your considered a terrorist. The only reason you should target civilian buildings is to destroy weapon layers, ammonition etc. Military has their own buildings for storing these things.
Lisik: Mafia was saying that even if you proved this point, he still disagrees with Israel on most of it's other actions. This is not racist, any more than it would be for you to say that even if China proved it wasn't running one prisoner camp, you'd still disagree with it for all the prisoner camps it is running.
While making macaroni pictures at a Jew camp I attended as a child wasn't painful, it wasn't exactly my idea of a great time. I guess I'm an anti-Semite.
Hey, McMinty, I take offense at Lisik's current sig, unless he can cite examples of the Palistinian Army fighting battles with Israel.
His sig is a copy of a political cartoon.Bubbalo wrote:
Hey, McMinty, I take offense at Lisik's current sig, unless he can cite examples of the Palistinian Army fighting battles with Israel.
And the part where his source matters is.........................?
...that you shouldn't seek to silence opinion if you protest yours being questioned.Bubbalo wrote:
And the part where his source matters is.........................?
I'm not silencing opinion. But unless I get the right to depict Israelis slaugtering and raping American soldiers, he doesn't get the right to show blatant fallacies either.
i agreeTeK||drake666 wrote:
this religious bullshit sucks... sry don't see any sense in it!
the entire world is paying the price of their religious war
especially the United States.. who are directly targeted by the islamists because of their unconditionnal support of ISRAEL.
Im pretty sure that the majority of americans don't want to be involved in their religious war but the media and govenrment infested by zionists and pro ISRAEL freaks are doing what they want.
best thing to do would be to cut all foreign aid to middle eastern countries including ISRAEL
let them fight their religious war without any money and support from the USA..
1. A soldier on any side of a conflict knows they could be killed at any time. That's something they accept. It's a part of their job, of war, people die, simple as that. IF military personell died in any suicide bombings, too bad, however, those suicide bombings, or lets say rocket attacks, weren't actually aiming for military assets/personell, the intention of the attacker was to kill the maximum amount of civilians. People who have no part of the war as such.mafia996630 wrote:
I don't think there is any denying the fact that Hezbollah were formed to stop isreal from invading Lebanon. However recent actions have caused the position of Hezbollah as freedom fighter to become debatable.illegalentry wrote:
How are Hezbolla freedom fighters exactly? Since 2000 when the Israelis withdrew from occupied Lebanese land they haven't (as far as I know) had any military incursions into Lebanon, besides border patrols and such. Hezbolla attacked one of those and kidnapped/captured Israeli soldiers without provocation (again, as far as I know). Israel acted and entered Lebanon with the goal of retrieving their captured soldiers and prevent Hezbolla missile attacks which also started around the same time. They also withdrew when pressured by the UN and other countries. So could you please explain how Hezbolla are freedom fighters today? Seeing as Lebanon is free. To me they are just an armed force which doesn't mind using civilian houses as launching bases for their rocket attacks. I don't know if there has been any suicide attacks against civilians by Hezbolla but regardless of what country you're from, what religion you have, strapping a bomb to yourself and running into a group of innocent people because you can't actually attack the other country's army with any real effect, is a terrorist act. Regardless of who the hell you are. Which is exactly what the Palestinians are doing.mafia996630 wrote:
they are freedom fighters, lets take the example of Hezbullah, you consider them to be terrorist while i consider them to be freedom fighters.
While on the international scale only three countries view the whole Hezbollah as terrorist, and two which only consider "Hezbollah External Security Organization" to be terrorist.
APART of these five, they are not considered terrorist. But iam sure you would like to form your own opinion from what they tell you.
Attacking an occupying army/military force with any means is one thing, but making civilians your main target isn't being a freedom fighter, it's being a terrorist, and all that comes with it. The fact that in nearly all of these cases the bomber is a Muslim (or one of those micks, hello Cameron ) doesn't really help now does it?
Hizbullah did cross the border when the attack was carried out, but it was predicable. If you see into the peace treaty between isreal and Lebanon, you will see how isreal made a "security zone", and why they eventually had to remove this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Security_Zone
Long story short, they removed it because the isreal's public were pissed with the small amount of deaths that orrurced in the buffer zone, as a result of increased Hezzbullah activity, and a significant increase in moral on the Hizbullah side. SO a attack in Isreal was imminent. Maybe hezbullah was pissed about the 15 years for which the "buffer zone" was there. Maybe they were pissed with the fact that isreal had:
"Israel cooperated with right-wing American Christian personality Pat Robertson in setting up a television network inside the security zone called Middle East Television that broadcast Christian religious programming to both Lebanon and northern Israel. The security zone also played host to the so-called Government of Free Lebanon which claimed to be the true government of Lebanon. Also in the security zone, Lebanese militias ran prisons with very bad reputations and conscripted the local population. While Israel ran the zone, it said it had no control over the actions of Lebanese militias within the zone."
Personally i like to think they did this to raise attention on the whole isreal and Palestine situation.
From what you said, it sounds like you don't mind suicide bombers who attack military targets however when it comes to civilian targets, its different.
1. Firstly how do you know the people that died were not somehow part the military considering :
"Most Israelis (males and females) are drafted into the military at age 18"
"Compulsory service is three years for men, and two years for women."
"Following compulsory service, Israeli men become part of the IDF reserve forces, and are usually required to serve several weeks every year as reservists until their 40s"
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Military
2.Does isreal not cry when a suicide bomber attacks? does isreal not bleed? my point is, they achieve their goals so why should they stop.
3. What else do you expect them to do ? throw rocks? o shit, they already do that.
" Desperate times call for desperate measures."
"the fact that they are all muslims?" wots that ment to mean, wait before you answer, have a quick read :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bomber
Peace.
2. Does lebanon not cry when they get carpet bombed? Does lebanon not bleed? Your point is flawed, because israel achive their goals by bombing the crap out of every lebanese city, so why should they stop? Somewhy the West though it was wrong, and made them withdraw, the west also considers suicide bombings or rocket attacks against civilians wrong, but does that stop the lebanese?
3. I expect them to attack military targets, they blew up a few Merkava tanks now didn't they? And those are huge.
4. "The fact that they are muslims". What I meant was, the fact that alot, if not most, of suicide bombers today (in any form) are muslim, it's not a put down or anything of the sort, just a fact that doesn't help with the international lable that muslims have gotten, especially in the USA and parts of europe.
one day, the people of the United States of America will wake up, they will elect a president who will start taking care of his own people first.. he will put americans before any other citizens of the worldLisik wrote:
Kingdom of Israel is already 3000+ years old, so deal with it!!!
Jerusalem was, does and will belong to Jews, so deal with it!!!DEAL WITH IT!!!For all the land your eye can see to you (Abraham) will give it, and to your descendants for ever!!!The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine...
that day, his first move will be to cut all foreign aid to ISRAEL and other middle eastern countries
he will save BILLIONS of dollars for his own people.. the americans
and that day will be the beginning of the end for your "country"...
Oh? You've shown that? Was that squelched?Bubbalo wrote:
I'm not silencing opinion. But unless I get the right to depict Israelis slaugtering and raping American soldiers, he doesn't get the right to show blatant fallacies either.
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I'm sorry, you're bothering to argue with someone who uses the Bible as a source?
Where does that link state the 40,000 christians dead as you claim? Seems you are over stating the facts as you always do and as your government does as well.Lisik wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damour_massacremafia996630 wrote:
k kol. sry for the personal attack, got board with how arrogant you really are. Now lets review, you were not able to answer anything to all the other points i have made.Lisik wrote:
when peoples out of arguments thay start to issue!
then you post
"
Kingdom of Israel is already 3000+ years old, so deal with it!!!
Jerusalem was, does and will belong to Jews, so deal with it!!!
For all the land your eye can see to you (Abraham) will give it, and to your descendants for ever!!!The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine...
DEAL WITH IT!!!
"
which is complete bull. then you post this:
"and ffs hezbollah its a most radical Shiites organization in Lebanon! since Israel withdraw from Lebanon in 2000 hezbolla did of 2500 attacks on Israel!!! 2 soldiers was kidnapped in 2001, more 3 in 2003!!! before taking that land hezbollah with theyr palestenians brothers kill over 40000 Christians who was living there! so stop call this assholes freedom fighters!"
Show me the source which says 40000 Christians were killed, show me how Hezbollah did 2500 attacks in isreal.?
and 2500 + attacks it 2500 + news reports and im not going to post them all!
And question for you? Why did Israel attack their ally in 1967? You know, the USS Liberty.
Jusster
very good question.. im wondering why Pollard was spying on their ally too the USAJusster wrote:
Where does that link state the 40,000 christians dead as you claim? Seems you are over stating the facts as you always do and as your government does as well.Lisik wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damour_massacremafia996630 wrote:
k kol. sry for the personal attack, got board with how arrogant you really are. Now lets review, you were not able to answer anything to all the other points i have made.
then you post
"
Kingdom of Israel is already 3000+ years old, so deal with it!!!
Jerusalem was, does and will belong to Jews, so deal with it!!!
For all the land your eye can see to you (Abraham) will give it, and to your descendants for ever!!!The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine...
DEAL WITH IT!!!
"
which is complete bull. then you post this:
"and ffs hezbollah its a most radical Shiites organization in Lebanon! since Israel withdraw from Lebanon in 2000 hezbolla did of 2500 attacks on Israel!!! 2 soldiers was kidnapped in 2001, more 3 in 2003!!! before taking that land hezbollah with theyr palestenians brothers kill over 40000 Christians who was living there! so stop call this assholes freedom fighters!"
Show me the source which says 40000 Christians were killed, show me how Hezbollah did 2500 attacks in isreal.?
and 2500 + attacks it 2500 + news reports and im not going to post them all!
And question for you? Why did Israel attack their ally in 1967? You know, the USS Liberty.
Jusster
and why some ISRAELIS tried to blow up the US embassy in Egypt in 1956.. google the LAVON affair
Do you think your the only country in the world that gives money to other countries? If America stopped their aid they would be slated by everyother country in the west and a lot of eastern countries too.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
one day, the people of the United States of America will wake up, they will elect a president who will start taking care of his own people first.. he will put americans before any other citizens of the worldLisik wrote:
Kingdom of Israel is already 3000+ years old, so deal with it!!!
Jerusalem was, does and will belong to Jews, so deal with it!!!DEAL WITH IT!!!For all the land your eye can see to you (Abraham) will give it, and to your descendants for ever!!!The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine...
that day, his first move will be to cut all foreign aid to ISRAEL and other middle eastern countries
he will save BILLIONS of dollars for his own people.. the americans
and that day will be the beginning of the end for your "country"...
http://www.ussliberty.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
And last but probably the most interesting, at least to me:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … berty.html
I believe that's called "revisionism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
And last but probably the most interesting, at least to me:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso … berty.html
I believe that's called "revisionism"
Didn't you say you were Canadian anyway? If so, why do you care what the US does. I'm glad you're here to generalize my opinion for me. I disagree that most American's don't support Israel. If that was true then politicians who did wouldn't get elected.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
one day, the people of the United States of America will wake up, they will elect a president who will start taking care of his own people first.. he will put americans before any other citizens of the worldLisik wrote:
Kingdom of Israel is already 3000+ years old, so deal with it!!!
Jerusalem was, does and will belong to Jews, so deal with it!!!DEAL WITH IT!!!For all the land your eye can see to you (Abraham) will give it, and to your descendants for ever!!!The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine...
that day, his first move will be to cut all foreign aid to ISRAEL and other middle eastern countries
he will save BILLIONS of dollars for his own people.. the americans
and that day will be the beginning of the end for your "country"...
Most politicians don't usually run on a platform of pro- or anti- Israel either and make it a key campaign issue.=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:
Didn't you say you were Canadian anyway? If so, why do you care what the US does. I'm glad you're here to generalize my opinion for me. I disagree that most American's don't support Israel. If that was true then politicians who did wouldn't get elected.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
one day, the people of the United States of America will wake up, they will elect a president who will start taking care of his own people first.. he will put americans before any other citizens of the worldLisik wrote:
Kingdom of Israel is already 3000+ years old, so deal with it!!!
Jerusalem was, does and will belong to Jews, so deal with it!!!
DEAL WITH IT!!!
that day, his first move will be to cut all foreign aid to ISRAEL and other middle eastern countries
he will save BILLIONS of dollars for his own people.. the americans
and that day will be the beginning of the end for your "country"...
When and if the Israelies rape American soldiers you go right ahead.Bubbalo wrote:
I'm not silencing opinion. But unless I get the right to depict Israelis slaugtering and raping American soldiers, he doesn't get the right to show blatant fallacies either.
If your saying the insaneislamofacist dont shelter behind civilians when they fight you are blatantly uninformed.
yea im canadian.. and i care for the americans because they are right next to me .. AMERICA was the greatest and most loved country .. now they are hated by most of the world just because of their middle east policy.. and their middle east policy is biaised toward ISRAEL because their governement is infested by zionists.=CA=lamcrmbem wrote:
Didn't you say you were Canadian anyway? If so, why do you care what the US does. I'm glad you're here to generalize my opinion for me. I disagree that most American's don't support Israel. If that was true then politicians who did wouldn't get elected.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
one day, the people of the United States of America will wake up, they will elect a president who will start taking care of his own people first.. he will put americans before any other citizens of the worldLisik wrote:
Kingdom of Israel is already 3000+ years old, so deal with it!!!
Jerusalem was, does and will belong to Jews, so deal with it!!!
DEAL WITH IT!!!
that day, his first move will be to cut all foreign aid to ISRAEL and other middle eastern countries
he will save BILLIONS of dollars for his own people.. the americans
and that day will be the beginning of the end for your "country"...
remove the zio from the goverment, stop the support of ISRAEL and let them fight their religious war for their promised land alone.
you will save a lot of money and american lives doing this.. but the zionists like rumsfeld, wlfowitz and perle don't care about american lives.. they just want ISRAEL to be safe..
look, they are aiming for IRAN now.. get ready for the invasion... all this because they want nukes.. ISRAEL have nukes.. why not disarm them first?
bah
As an American, I'd have to agree with [UTQ]_Ausch88 on this one. Why let Israel drag us down? What have they ever done to deserve our unconditional support? They have always attempted to pull us into there conflicts with any means necessary, including bombing our ship and killing our soldiers.
I say cut them off and let them drop on the heads..........any politician who would dare run on a pro Israel stance will never get my vote thats for sure. They need to be held to the same standards as the others in the middle east, and they need to give Palestinians their own state like they were suppose to do 60 years ago.
Didn't know about Lavon Affair, thanks for the info.........think that just tops the cake for me
Jusster
I say cut them off and let them drop on the heads..........any politician who would dare run on a pro Israel stance will never get my vote thats for sure. They need to be held to the same standards as the others in the middle east, and they need to give Palestinians their own state like they were suppose to do 60 years ago.
Didn't know about Lavon Affair, thanks for the info.........think that just tops the cake for me
Jusster
LMAO ATG coming in on the ass end of a discussion. That is not the sig he had before.ATG wrote:
When and if the Israelies rape American soldiers you go right ahead.Bubbalo wrote:
I'm not silencing opinion. But unless I get the right to depict Israelis slaugtering and raping American soldiers, he doesn't get the right to show blatant fallacies either.
If your saying the insaneislamofacist dont shelter behind civilians when they fight you are blatantly uninformed.
Jusster
Point?
I change my sig all the time. And I got sickened by pm's like this ( senders name withheld )
I change my sig all the time. And I got sickened by pm's like this ( senders name withheld )
"y do u advocate a teenage cutter that stabbed her mom? that bitch deserved to die for being dumb enough to defy the police"