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2006-09-11 16:32:46
deathlyzer
Member
+2|6692
Regardless of who is in office, everybody would still hate the US.  So lets put away the Bush card, it's a useless arguement. 

Say 9/11 took place 5 years earlier, during the clinton years.  Everybody would hate clinton, and he would be the reason my milk goes bad and everything else thats wrong. 

Let me rephrase my entire question:

What has the United States done to Islam that would call for this kind of hatred?

Can a real muslim come onto these forums and answer that question for me?
2006-09-11 16:33:04
lxcpikiman
imbad @ bf2
+70|6849|Toronto-Canada
just take a moment of silence for those who died on 9/11
2006-09-11 16:34:10
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6814

CameronPoe wrote:

Turn 'the west' into an impenetrable fortress, take Israel to task over its atrocities and state terrorism, withdraw from Iraq and let them have their civil war and hand the Republican party back to traditional isolationists (not neo-conservative imperialists), stop supporting unpopular puppet regimes, stop interfering in the politics of sovereign nations. Bit simplistic but in general I think that would improve things.
Then Dorothy would come and free all the leprochauns and they would dance and sing,"Ding Dong the witch is dead...."
No seriously, Israel isn't going anywhere. The US is going to cleanup the Middle East whether it likes it or not.
2006-09-11 16:34:13
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7011|Argentina

Miller wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

deathlyzer wrote:

How should the US deal with the problems we face today?

Everybody here seems to have the answer in their backpocket.
Impeach Bush.
We should've Impeached Clinton .
The poster asked help for the problems US has today not in Clinton's administration.
2006-09-11 16:37:36
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6809

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Turn 'the west' into an impenetrable fortress, take Israel to task over its atrocities and state terrorism, withdraw from Iraq and let them have their civil war and hand the Republican party back to traditional isolationists (not neo-conservative imperialists), stop supporting unpopular puppet regimes, stop interfering in the politics of sovereign nations. Bit simplistic but in general I think that would improve things.
Then Dorothy would come and free all the leprochauns and they would dance and sing,"Ding Dong the witch is dead...."
No seriously, Israel isn't going anywhere. The US is going to cleanup the Middle East whether it likes it or not.
Hilarious. I know Israel ain't going anywhere but what's funny is your line about the US cleaning up the middle east. The closest the US will get to 'cleaning up the middle east' would be if it was to break out the bleach and mops cos the US army is currently making things worse there and there seems to be no end in sight, only further deterioration.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-09-11 16:38:16)

2006-09-11 16:40:19
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6948|San Francisco
So, enough of the bantering posts...I, for one, am really getting sick of them in this section.  If you want to fire potshots of stupidity at a subject, go for in the Not BF2, Not BF2S section.

Anyways, let's see...

Pull out of Iraq and let them deal with instituting a democracy and military system.

Pull back into ourselves and open up the idea of isolationism again in order to cover our worldly expenses.  Taxes will have to be increased in order to offset the deficit and pay for reparations in Iraq without having to sacrifice our own social programs.

Start funneling money into National programs other than Defense, plus drop the tax breaks on the wealthiest portion of the nation in order to slow the progression of the income gap.

Open up the discussion of social healthcare reform in order to create a strong healthcare system in this country that isn't built around private companies and constant price wars.

Impeaching Bush won't solve anything, as then we'd have to deal with President Cheney, then Hastert, then that jackass Ted Stevens, and so on and so forth.  What can happen is force the Republicans lose 13 seats in Congress in order to stop the uni-cameral control that is currently present in the House and Senate.  By killing their control, you can effectively shut Bush into a lame-duck president scenario, where he and his party won't be able to do much in the way of legislation until he is out in 2009.
2006-09-11 16:40:29
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6809

deathlyzer wrote:

What has the United States done to Islam that would call for this kind of hatred?
Have you lived under a fucking rock all your life? How about crime number one - unflinchingly supporting the terrorist state of Israel, the arch nemesis of all muslims, despite near unanimous condemnation is just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, educate yourself on the middle east.
2006-09-11 16:40:40
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
+319|7017|d

CameronPoe wrote:

Turn 'the west' into an impenetrable fortress, take Israel to task over its atrocities and state terrorism, withdraw from Iraq and let them have their civil war and hand the Republican party back to traditional isolationists (not neo-conservative imperialists), stop supporting unpopular puppet regimes, stop interfering in the politics of sovereign nations. Bit simplistic but in general I think that would improve things.
Chill CP, we are talking about America here. Don't want them to bite off more then they can chew.
2006-09-11 16:41:00
norge
J-10 and a coke please
+18|6724

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Question isnt how should the US deal with the problems its the fact the US shouldn't have caused them in the first place.

Shit happens and shit goes, it'll be dealt with in time. No-one can know how, so speculation is futile at best.
so we should all convert to islam? because the only reason they fucking flew planes into us is because were not muslims. now stfu u fucking ignorant prick.
2006-09-11 16:45:24
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7011|Argentina

deathlyzer wrote:

Regardless of who is in office, everybody would still hate the US.  So lets put away the Bush card, it's a useless arguement. 

Say 9/11 took place 5 years earlier, during the clinton years.  Everybody would hate clinton, and he would be the reason my milk goes bad and everything else thats wrong. 

Let me rephrase my entire question:

What has the United States done to Islam that would call for this kind of hatred?

Can a real muslim come onto these forums and answer that question for me?
We don't know, that didn't happen.  Clinton completed two successful periods at the office.  The only people who hate him are some Americans.  I have a great respect for president Clinton.  I can't say the same of Bush.  And the key card here is Bush, why do you want to put that card away?? 
America problems will not be arranged in this administration.  Bush will leave the office and American soldiers will still be in Iraq, people from N.O. will be rebuilding their homes, the deficit will be greater than it is now, so next president will have a lot of work.  He will have to thank Bush.

What has the United States done to islam?  You think Muslims hate America, but that's a minority.  You may say that Muslims hate Bush, almost all of them.  The hate towards Bush will end in two years, the hate towards America it's up to next president.  This one, won't change that.
2006-09-11 16:46:48
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
+319|7017|d

norge wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Question isnt how should the US deal with the problems its the fact the US shouldn't have caused them in the first place.

Shit happens and shit goes, it'll be dealt with in time. No-one can know how, so speculation is futile at best.
so we should all convert to islam? because the only reason they fucking flew planes into us is because were not muslims. now stfu u fucking ignorant prick.
Who is the ignorant prick ? the one who jumps to a conclusion maybe ? they are loads of other non-Muslim countries out there, so just saying that makes you sound real dumb .
2006-09-11 16:48:13
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7011|Argentina

norge wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Question isnt how should the US deal with the problems its the fact the US shouldn't have caused them in the first place.

Shit happens and shit goes, it'll be dealt with in time. No-one can know how, so speculation is futile at best.
so we should all convert to islam? because the only reason they fucking flew planes into us is because were not muslims. now stfu u fucking ignorant prick.
No, they flew planes into WTC coz you support the acts of terrorism of Israel.  They shouldn't do that, but when you push too hard...

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-09-11 16:50:25)

2006-09-11 16:49:18
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6814

CameronPoe wrote:

deathlyzer wrote:

What has the United States done to Islam that would call for this kind of hatred?
Have you lived under a fucking rock all your life? How about crime number one - unflinchingly supporting the terrorist state of Israel, the arch nemesis of all muslims, despite near unanimous condemnation is just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, educate yourself on the middle east.
Cameron, face it, its them vs. us If you wanna stand on the sidelines go ahead. That doesn't mean they wont take your head either. I don't neeed to read your anti-Israeli articles. I believe in God and the Bible. That is enough for me to feel the way I do about Islam. Your not religious, fine. But when the leaders of Islam say, death to the west, thats a problem. I don't care that the common muslim wants peace and a normal life. The problem is that they are not in charge, it's the extremist that rule the countries and make the decisions.

Last edited by rawls2 (2006-09-11 16:56:36)

2006-09-11 16:50:47
SuperSlowYo
slow as you go
+124|6814|Canaduhhh.. West Toast
Group Hugs!!!!!
2006-09-11 16:51:44
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7011|Argentina

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

deathlyzer wrote:

What has the United States done to Islam that would call for this kind of hatred?
Have you lived under a fucking rock all your life? How about crime number one - unflinchingly supporting the terrorist state of Israel, the arch nemesis of all muslims, despite near unanimous condemnation is just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, educate yourself on the middle east.
Cameron, face it, its them vs. us If you wanna stand on the sidelines go ahead. That doesn't mean they wont take your head either. I don't neeed to read your anti-semite articles. I believe in God and the Bible. That is enough for me to feel the way I do about Islam. Your not religious, fine. But when the leaders of Islam say, death to the west, thats a problem. I don't care that the common muslim wants peace and a normal life. The problem is that they are not in charge, it's the extremist that rule the countries and make the decisions.
I don't think he is anti-semite dude, he hates Israel government, big difference.
2006-09-11 16:56:07
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6814

sergeriver wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Have you lived under a fucking rock all your life? How about crime number one - unflinchingly supporting the terrorist state of Israel, the arch nemesis of all muslims, despite near unanimous condemnation is just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, educate yourself on the middle east.
Cameron, face it, its them vs. us If you wanna stand on the sidelines go ahead. That doesn't mean they wont take your head either. I don't neeed to read your anti-Israeli articles. I believe in God and the Bible. That is enough for me to feel the way I do about Islam. Your not religious, fine. But when the leaders of Islam say, death to the west, thats a problem. I don't care that the common muslim wants peace and a normal life. The problem is that they are not in charge, it's the extremist that rule the countries and make the decisions.
I don't think he is anti-semite dude, he hates Israel government, big difference.
Sorry let me edit my post then.
2006-09-11 17:03:58
mafia996630
© 2009 Jeff Minard
+319|7017|d

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

deathlyzer wrote:

What has the United States done to Islam that would call for this kind of hatred?
Have you lived under a fucking rock all your life? How about crime number one - unflinchingly supporting the terrorist state of Israel, the arch nemesis of all muslims, despite near unanimous condemnation is just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, educate yourself on the middle east.
Cameron, face it, its them vs. us If you wanna stand on the sidelines go ahead. That doesn't mean they wont take your head either. I don't neeed to read your anti-Israeli articles. I believe in God and the Bible. That is enough for me to feel the way I do about Islam. Your not religious, fine. But when the leaders of Islam say, death to the west, thats a problem. I don't care that the common muslim wants peace and a normal life. The problem is that they are not in charge, it's the extremist that rule the countries and make the decisions.
FOR EXAMPLE ..................

all i can think of is Iran maybe, Saddam maybe, that about it. Which leaders are you talking about ?
And this "us V them" is really a good attitude, your gone get far!
2006-09-11 17:08:41
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6747|Connecticut

starkingdoms wrote:

simultaneous nuclear strike on every major non-usa city!
I am an American and that insults me, think before you speak and maybe, just maybe the rest of the world wont hate us because of the few idiots (like yourself) we have in this great nation.
Malloy must go
2006-09-11 17:10:39
kessel!
Peruvian Cocaine
+261|7019|Toronto Canada
oh, get rid of this guy too.
https://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/4584c11d71.jpg
2006-09-11 17:10:50
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6747|Connecticut

Miller wrote:

dead_rac00n wrote:

Don't want to offend anyone, but it looks like America is the n00b that always run under the arty fire. It would be better if they moved as a squad with the other countries. Being a team member and not the leader isn't a disgrace, sometimes it's better that way, that's all.
If we did that you wouldn't have anyone to spawn on.
awesome response.
Malloy must go
2006-09-11 17:28:32
deathlyzer
Member
+2|6692

CameronPoe wrote:

Turn 'the west' into an impenetrable fortress, take Israel to task over its atrocities and state terrorism, withdraw from Iraq and let them have their civil war and hand the Republican party back to traditional isolationists (not neo-conservative imperialists), stop supporting unpopular puppet regimes, stop interfering in the politics of sovereign nations. Bit simplistic but in general I think that would improve things.
Puppet regimes?  like Syria?  Thats a puppet regime, a very dangerous one imo.  Puppet regimes are sometimes necessary to get a real regime going.  Including the current Afghanistan regime, that's a puppet regime, but a necessary one imo.  Sure it has business deals written all over it, but what did you think was gonna happen?  Somebody is gonna make money off of those natural resources one way or another.

"stop interfering in the politics of sovereign nations", this is a great point but just doesn't float in the real world.  Sure, in fantasy land where all nations control their armies and citizens, it wouldn't be necessary if we lived in such a world.  But we dont live in that world, so sometimes it needs to be done.  Some countries are too weak to do so themselves. 

My opinion of Israel is this.  They do what they feel they need to do to ensure their survival. 

What sets them apart from the arabs is that they're not publicly stating to the world that they want to destroy any arab nation.  They could if they wanted to you know, and YES with the weapons WE gave them.  They need nukes more than anybody.
2006-09-11 17:32:46
Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6925
<----- Only one who doesn't know I guess.
2006-09-11 17:37:20
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6814

mafia996630 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Have you lived under a fucking rock all your life? How about crime number one - unflinchingly supporting the terrorist state of Israel, the arch nemesis of all muslims, despite near unanimous condemnation is just the tip of the iceberg. Seriously, educate yourself on the middle east.
Cameron, face it, its them vs. us If you wanna stand on the sidelines go ahead. That doesn't mean they wont take your head either. I don't neeed to read your anti-Israeli articles. I believe in God and the Bible. That is enough for me to feel the way I do about Islam. Your not religious, fine. But when the leaders of Islam say, death to the west, thats a problem. I don't care that the common muslim wants peace and a normal life. The problem is that they are not in charge, it's the extremist that rule the countries and make the decisions.
FOR EXAMPLE ..................

all i can think of is Iran maybe, Saddam maybe, that about it. Which leaders are you talking about ?
And this "us V them" is really a good attitude, your gone get far!
How about Syria and Lebonan. You know..those countries that let Hezbollah do their talking. And my us vs. them idea-thats the reality, face it.
2006-09-11 17:37:56
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7091
baiting topic
2006-09-11 17:42:10
Jbrar
rawr
+86|6795|Winterpeg, Canada

deathlyzer wrote:

Regardless of who is in office, everybody would still hate the US.  So lets put away the Bush card, it's a useless arguement. 

Say 9/11 took place 5 years earlier, during the clinton years.  Everybody would hate clinton, and he would be the reason my milk goes bad and everything else thats wrong. 

Let me rephrase my entire question:

What has the United States done to Islam that would call for this kind of hatred?

Can a real muslim come onto these forums and answer that question for me?
It's because of Bush that there's so much discrimination towards muslims, then you want them to come defend themselves and tell you a bunch things that the U.S has done to Islam? It's Bush, always has been.

 

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