Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6891
Once again, that video is propaganda. It is intented to rattle your emotions in order to influence your opinion. This thread is truly frightening in how it reveals how easily influenced some of you really are. So, instead of getting all worked up and teary-eyed over this, simply analyze the situation at hand. Considering that these people are looters in a time of crisis, they are lucky they weren't shot and killed. In the U.S., for example, looting during a hurricane can net you life in prison....that is if you aren't shot to death by the store's owner. Also consider the "taxi" which was destroyed. This car had no markings of any kind resembling a taxi. And, why would a taxi cab driver use his car to steal wood instead of using that car to support his "livelihood", enabling him to buy the wood? But, here you guys are getting all worked up just because some commentator tells you to. All of you people calling these marines "fukn assholes" are only admitting your own naivety. If you can't see that this video screams propaganda, then you are truly delusional. And, even if everything the commentator claimed was true, the marines are STILL justified in what they did.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-09-09 21:16:14)

mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|6966|Sydney, Australia

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

What fancy said...
For once, i would have to agree with you on that one.





Mcminty.
Ben>You
Member
+90|6771

PspRpg-7 wrote:

I guess they shouldn't of fucking looted.
Psp and Pollux ftw.
RCL_spd
Member
+0|6929|Russia (currently Poland)

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

And, even if everything the commentator claimed was true, the marines are STILL justified in what they did.
Okay, Okay. We all sitting here in front of monitors understand that.

Now try to explain that to Iraqi people who witnessed the action. After all, it's them who will shoot at Marines later, not we.

Last edited by RCL_spd (2006-09-09 22:03:25)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6782|Long Island, New York

PspRpg-7 wrote:

YouTube comment wrote:

inshalla123   (1 week ago)
what was that good for...I hope fucking america get invaded and we can go run over people raping and killing 14year old girls....And kill people on the streets.. HELL TO AMERICA..fucking murdurers.
Wow, this is amazing.
Agreed. I replied to him. Check it out.

I do think it was wrong of them to do and was a bit disproportionate, though.

Last edited by Poseidon (2006-09-09 22:14:29)

Wolfren
Member
+6|6909|USA
Well it could have been a taxi, then again it could have been stolen from some other family, and they might have been stealing wood from someone trying to rebuild their home. Or the wood could have been for cooking but either way its done now no reason to get pissed and all Americans for something like that because you just dont know what was going on. Same thing with everyone most knowledgeable Americans know that not all Muslim's are terrorists its a select few. So stop saying you hate ALL of something say you hate the actions or the individuals people not a entire country.
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|6875|Washington, DC

And then they act surprised when these guys become insurgents and blow themselves up next to a HMMWV convoy with 3 artillery shells...

EDIT/DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying "death to ze infidel americans" in this post, so if you're thinking of replying with some tard response like "fuck  you you fuckin terrorist supporter" then please play in traffic.

Last edited by ExecutionerStyle (2006-09-09 22:31:45)

Wolfren
Member
+6|6909|USA
Well thats not what Im trying to say. I just say dont judge an entire country by the acts of a few.

Lots of bad things happen in war and everyone participates. Its just a few take vids of it either because of propaganda or stupidity. But either way no one should judge because of these actions unless you have been there and through the same situations.

Last edited by Wolfren (2006-09-09 22:58:27)

FoShizzle
Howdah Lysozyme
+21|6872|Pittsburgh, PA

loonitic wrote:

Damn tank whores...
LOL
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6736|Perth. Western Australia
Hey wait one second didnt America bomb the total crap out of Iraq/Afghanistan for the act of what bin laden + the hijackers?(this relates to you saying the doing of 3 jackasses doesnt mean the whole army does it) Oh and wait again 3000 people died there yet over in Iraq over 50 000 civilians are killed. It gets better over 20 000 of Americas own troops were injured in Iraq/Afghanistan. Typical American behaviour it doesnt suprise me. Apparently no one has seen the videos of US troops shooting innocent people on camera? I know the US isnt the only one that does it as there was the video of british troops bashing up teenagers. Think back 40 years, remember the actions in Vietnam?  Now im not one saying that all Americans or all troops are retards, but there are some people around that think they are so patriotic they just end up looking stupid and retarded.
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6870|Home of the Escalade Herds

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Considering that these people are looters in a time of crisis, they are lucky they weren't shot and killed. In the U.S., for example, looting during a hurricane can net you life in prison....
Lucky they weren't shot for stealing wood so they could fucking survive?

You are comparing a force of nature to us going there and fucking there country over, once again, bravo on the halfwit analogy. In the US, we don't loot for survival, we loot because we are greedy and are taking advantage of the situation.
Baglicka
Member
+8|6685|Manitoba,Canada

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Once again, that video is propaganda. It is intented to rattle your emotions in order to influence your opinion. This thread is truly frightening in how it reveals how easily influenced some of you really are. So, instead of getting all worked up and teary-eyed over this, simply analyze the situation at hand. Considering that these people are looters in a time of crisis, they are lucky they weren't shot and killed. In the U.S., for example, looting during a hurricane can net you life in prison....that is if you aren't shot to death by the store's owner. Also consider the "taxi" which was destroyed. This car had no markings of any kind resembling a taxi. And, why would a taxi cab driver use his car to steal wood instead of using that car to support his "livelihood", enabling him to buy the wood? But, here you guys are getting all worked up just because some commentator tells you to. All of you people calling these marines "fukn assholes" are only admitting your own naivety. If you can't see that this video screams propaganda, then you are truly delusional. And, even if everything the commentator claimed was true, the marines are STILL justified in what they did.
Chances you are right. 90% of the people have not left the country here.You think security is tight here, wait till you go on vacation over seas. Then CRY.
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|6930|Espoo, Finland

Sone wrote:

anti-War, bullshit..
...
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6891

PRiMACORD wrote:

Lucky they weren't shot for stealing wood so they could fucking survive?

You are comparing a force of nature to us going there and fucking there country over, once again, bravo on the halfwit analogy. In the US, we don't loot for survival, we loot because we are greedy and are taking advantage of the situation.
Although I covered this in my previous post, allow me to reiterate. They used their "taxi" to loot wood. If that car truly was his livelihood, he should've used it as a taxi and earned the money to buy the wood. Also, the analogy I used was hardly "halfwit". You, ironically, just neglected to comprehend its significance. So, once again, I will spoon-feed you that as well. Those particular Iraqis took advantage of a national crisis to steal wood, just like looters taking advantage of a hurricane. As we all know, Iraq in its current state is plagued by civil disorder. What you saw was an appropriate level of punishment in dealing with this (in the U.S. they would be given life in prison). Additionally, your claim "we don't loot for survival, we loot because we are greedy and are taking advantage of the situation" is also false. Hurricane Katrina is a shining example of that. No matter where you are, you will have looters acting out of greed and those acting to survive. However, the motive does not make it any less of a crime.

You should make friends with this guy:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search? … =0&y=0

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-09-10 02:31:34)

PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6870|Home of the Escalade Herds

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

Lucky they weren't shot for stealing wood so they could fucking survive?

You are comparing a force of nature to us going there and fucking there country over, once again, bravo on the halfwit analogy. In the US, we don't loot for survival, we loot because we are greedy and are taking advantage of the situation.
Although I covered this in my previous post, allow me to reiterate. They used their "taxi" to loot wood. If that car truly was his livelihood, he should've used it as a taxi and earned the money to buy the wood. Also, the analogy I used was hardly "halfwit". You, ironically, just neglected to comprehend its significance. So, once again, I will spoon-feed you that as well. Those particular Iraqis took advantage of a national crisis to steal wood, just like looters taking advantage of a hurricane. As we all know, Iraq in its current state is plagued by civil disorder. What you saw was an appropriate level of punishment in dealing with this (in the U.S. they would be given life in prison). Additionally, your claim "we don't loot for survival, we loot because we are greedy and are taking advantage of the situation" is also false. Hurricane Katrina is a shining example of that. No matter where you are, you will have looters acting out of greed and those acting to survive. However, the motive does not make it any less of a crime.

You should make friends with this guy:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search? … =0&y=0
I love how you assume to know exactly what these people were doing with there car outside of the few seconds they were on camera. How do you know he wasn't driving people around all day, how do you know there is nobody to drive around because of how messed up things are?

Suppose i take your side for a second and say that punishing them was appropriate. Ok so you want to punish them by taking away there car. Why not take the fucking car and give it to someone else? I'm sure there are thousands of people that are more 'worthy' of using that car over the evil wood looting theives. Why destroy a perfectly useable car?

They don't do that of course, they play it up for the camera like the fucking morons they are. They shoot the car for fun and run it over, for fun.

Did they return the wood to the owner? No, they ran it over as well. They don't care, they just wanted to run a car over with a tank, like 10 year olds.

You are blind dude, try looking up logic for yourself.

Last edited by PRiMACORD (2006-09-10 02:55:55)

Peldri
Member
+4|6921|Suomi Finland
Fu***ng AMERICAN BASTARDS that got me so mad! They have guns and stuff and they just tease those poor innocent Iraq people, cos they wanna be f****** world dominators. i wish that tank runs into a mine or something

Last edited by Peldri (2006-09-10 03:07:53)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6919|Canberra, AUS
Maybe the best thing to do, for all sides, in order to get a real understanding of what's happening, is to get a live broadcast of a media crew attached to a US Army unit for one week. A whole week. Non-stop filming. And then release it ALL as DVD (so no 'propoganda' truncations - the whole damned thing).
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|6929|West Yorkshire, U.K
They were bored. Not right
E1_ned
Member
+8|6739|netherlands

sergeriver wrote:

Like earlier, as someone said... propaganda.

And for your righteous "Dutch" Army... I'm sure if they had fellow soldiers dying and bullets flying at them, they would probably do some shit out of their mind.  I had a cousin that was like a brother, lived the in the same house growing up, die in Iraq in January by a roadside bomb. He was known for

American army should not be judge for the actions of three assholes.  They deserve a punishment.  I don't hate any American or any American soldier for that video, only those three dumb asses.  I'm sure most people in American army are good people, but these kind of behavior gives the whole army bad reputation.
wow needed to wait for a long time for someone to react... (was waiting for that)
I'm not here to bash but to say what i think about it. also to see what others have to say, and if they make a point maybe even change my point of view.

i think you hit the nail on its head by saying:
They deserve a punishment.  I don't hate ..........I'm sure most people in American army are good people, but these ......

i agree


i think the hostility began after the Iraqi's saw that the US didn't help the people they freed. no food or water. they lost an oppressor but gained a new one. and it was the 2nd time.... after gulf war 1 the US abandoned the Iraqi resistance after liberating Kuwait... lots died.... wouldn't you hold a grudge if u were iraqi? or at least be suspicious of US motives?

Last edited by E1_ned (2006-09-10 04:27:15)

Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7082
um.. now let me see... 500 words or less right ? ok .. here we go.. Ready ...go.



Dont loot.

I have seen footage of Israeli tanks doing this for hours in the gaza strip and west bank.

Who did those guys think they were ATF in  WACO Texas ?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7002|Argentina

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Once again, that video is propaganda. It is intented to rattle your emotions in order to influence your opinion. This thread is truly frightening in how it reveals how easily influenced some of you really are. So, instead of getting all worked up and teary-eyed over this, simply analyze the situation at hand. Considering that these people are looters in a time of crisis, they are lucky they weren't shot and killed. In the U.S., for example, looting during a hurricane can net you life in prison....that is if you aren't shot to death by the store's owner. Also consider the "taxi" which was destroyed. This car had no markings of any kind resembling a taxi. And, why would a taxi cab driver use his car to steal wood instead of using that car to support his "livelihood", enabling him to buy the wood? But, here you guys are getting all worked up just because some commentator tells you to. All of you people calling these marines "fukn assholes" are only admitting your own naivety. If you can't see that this video screams propaganda, then you are truly delusional. And, even if everything the commentator claimed was true, the marines are STILL justified in what they did.
You are the naive.  I called the three guys assholes because they are, not because some commentator said so.  The tank didn't move alone and crashed the car because tanks don't like cars.  If those people looted some fucking wood, what's the deal?  They probably have nothing more than that car, and you are saying what you saw not what you heard is right?  You must read a lot about ethics.  These soldiers are fucking assholes and deserve to be out of the army.
Horseman 77
Banned
+160|7082

sergeriver wrote:

Like earlier, as someone said... propaganda.

And for your righteous "Dutch" Army... I'm sure if they had fellow soldiers dying and bullets flying at them, they would probably do some shit out of their mind.  I had a cousin that was like a brother, lived the in the same house growing up, die in Iraq in January by a roadside bomb. He was known for

American army should not be judge for the actions of three assholes.  They deserve a punishment.  I don't hate any American or any American soldier for that video, only those three dumb asses.  I'm sure most people in American army are good people, but these kind of behavior gives the whole army bad reputation.
Don't be so quick to condemn.

We really dint know the " whole story " just what we saw on the Video. remember the Rodney King Video.

The one we saw that got the cops in trouble was a lot different than the one we saw years later. ( and a lot shorter lol
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7002|Argentina

E1_ned wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Like earlier, as someone said... propaganda.

And for your righteous "Dutch" Army... I'm sure if they had fellow soldiers dying and bullets flying at them, they would probably do some shit out of their mind.  I had a cousin that was like a brother, lived the in the same house growing up, die in Iraq in January by a roadside bomb. He was known for

American army should not be judge for the actions of three assholes.  They deserve a punishment.  I don't hate any American or any American soldier for that video, only those three dumb asses.  I'm sure most people in American army are good people, but these kind of behavior gives the whole army bad reputation.
wow needed to wait for a long time for someone to react... (was waiting for that)
I'm not here to bash but to say what i think about it. also to see what others have to say, and if they make a point maybe even change my point of view.

i think you hit the nail on its head by saying:
They deserve a punishment.  I don't hate ..........I'm sure most people in American army are good people, but these ......

i agree


i think the hostility began after the Iraqi's saw that the US didn't help the people they freed. no food or water. they lost an oppressor but gained a new one. and it was the 2nd time.... after gulf war 1 the US abandoned the Iraqi resistance after liberating Kuwait... lots died.... wouldn't you hold a grudge if u were iraqi? or at least be suspicious of US motives?
Quote me well, I didn't say all the shit about propaganda, my post started in American army should...
-Solv3r-
Heia den som vinner!
+115|6802|Oslo, Norway
America, fuck yeah!

Why spend your tax money on school and education, when you can send soldiers to Iraq to crush some cars?

/sarcasm
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7006

-Solv3r- wrote:

America, fuck yeah!

Why spend your tax money on school and education, when you can send soldiers to Iraq to crush some cars?

/sarcasm
Why try and help the world or stop the evil America instead of sitting on our asses bitching and moaning.

/sarcasm

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