howler_27
Member
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NO COMMENT? LMAO.  You'll get them regardless.  Any religion that has it's members frothing at the mouth about how their god is the supreme being and is not willing to accept others for their beliefs is a farce to me.  It is and has been talked about over and over about the Muslim faith, and how supreme Allah is to any other god.  Hence, most Muslims that I've talked to will not even debate other "gods" because their is no other.  It's considered blasphemy to even think of it.  You preach of love and understanding, whilst all the while dream of the day that every other religion burns in liquid fire. 

One thing is clearly for certain.  In the end, we are all going to find out which certain truth lies out there in the vast oblivion of time.   

The funny thing is that with all of the Anti-US sentiment out there from people, and within' this great county, they fail to see the entire bit of irony.  It's our laws that PROTECT your ability to worship damn near anything that you wish without being persecuted, despite how wrong, backwards or immoral it may seem to others.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6958|Wilmington, DE, US

howler_27 wrote:

NO COMMENT? LMAO.  You'll get them regardless.  Any religion that has it's members frothing at the mouth about how their god is the supreme being and is not willing to accept others for their beliefs is a farce to me.  It is and has been talked about over and over about the Muslim faith, and how supreme Allah is to any other god.  Hence, most Muslims that I've talked to will not even debate other "gods" because their is no other.  It's considered blasphemy to even think of it.  You preach of love and understanding, whilst all the while dream of the day that every other religion burns in liquid fire.
Christians. Or did you not read the book of Revelation?
Sgt.Zubie
Member
+77|6824
no comment
FoShizzle
Howdah Lysozyme
+21|6876|Pittsburgh, PA

BlackPlague wrote:

Being a Muslim in the U.S. at the age of 20, I don't think I feel safe as much as I did before 9/11.
No shit?  I never would have imagined that.
shyuechou
Member
+5|6887|Singapore
Shiites.
Paco_the_Insane
Phorum Phantom
+244|6894|Ohio
Back in the 1600's, not being christian was grounds for execution. Arent you glad thats changed.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6904|United States of America

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Hmmmm, lets look at the Muslim countries on Earth and see what Islam is about.  Human rights, peace, equality, and love.  I see it all the time, why would anyone get the impression that Islam is about anything less.
Your sarcastic trolling still amuses me....  to that I say:

Hmmmm, lets look at the Christian countries on Earth and see what Christianity is about.  Human rights, peace, equality, and love.  I see it all the time, why would anyone get the impression that Christianity is about anything less.

But don't forget to look at lynchings (race and sexuality motivated), the KKK, repression of women, use of nukes, racial segregation, genocide, the holocaust, the inquisitions, interference in the politics of other nations, terrorism, exploitation of the third world, deforestation and jamdude.
WTF do Christians have to do with Islamic nations being violent????  There are Hindu and Budist parts of the world that are peaceful, and last I knew the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition happened Centuries ago.  What about the Sunnis killing Shites killing Kurds all in the SAME COUNTRY, happening today????  Last I knew Islamic countries gave less rights to women and nonMuslims than any other countries in the world. 

You guys are retarded and live in a fantasy world.  I point out that most Islamic countries are violent and hateful, you become upset at the notion (but know I'm right because you can't argue with my statement) so you decide to TRY to equate Christianity with Islam and attack Christianity, Probably while enjoy freedoms and prosperity of the Christian country you live in.  And BTW, I am not Christian soooooo does saying Christianity is evil make what I am say wrong or did you ASSUME I am Christian and think that that would discredit my statement somehow????? 

From this guys statement one might get the impression that Liberals have no logic or common sense.

Lynchings- this still happens a lot in Christian countries huh???? I thought is was outlawed by most Christian societies.

KKK- Not a Religious Group or Backed by any Religious Group, they killed NonWhite Christians all the the time because they are a Racially Motivated Hate Group.  Doh

Repression of Women-  How, which Christian Countries are the great offender of this???  What are the Christian created government's laws?? Surely caused by those darned Christians I'm sure.  WTF, is he going back in time again???

Use of Nukes-  Ordered by the Pope himself.  More time travel.  Damn Christians, this makes Islam a great religion.

Racial segregation-  Which Christian run government is doing this.  I'm offended, but strangely not riding at the back of a bus for some reason.  Is he time traveling in America Again???

Genocide/holocaust-  I guess this is a reference to the Nazi Denomination of Christianity????  Clearly Hitler was a deeply devoted Christian Zelot who's religion drove him to kill anyone that wasn't part of his made up Arian race.  Hmmm, I don't recall him quoting scriptures, just spouting RACIAL fantasys.  doh.

inquisitions-  Very strong argument, still going on in fact.  All Christians operate secret dungeons in their basements and have ever since the 1400s.  Got me there, I only hope that Christianity will one day denounce the inquisitions and cease this dreadful activity.

interference in the politics of other nations-  Yes France is a Christian country and I hope they have learned their lesson.  Point well taken Christianity is Evil and therefore Islam is peaceful.  FTW

terrorism-  Christian terrorist of the dreaded Jahova(sp) witnesses sect. just bombed my house again.  You disagree with Christians and insult their religion they will Cap you Arse.

exploitation of the third world-  Islamic countries are too weak to exploit them, someone has to do it.  Another thing legistlated by Christian governments.

deforestation-  I reject the Idea that Christians were responsible for the Deforestation,  sure they like their wooden crosses and all, but Muslims use toilet paper too (or do they)

jamdude-  good argument, he does make Islam peaceful and tolerant.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6798|Southeastern USA

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Hmmmm, lets look at the Muslim countries on Earth and see what Islam is about.  Human rights, peace, equality, and love.  I see it all the time, why would anyone get the impression that Islam is about anything less.
Your sarcastic trolling still amuses me....  to that I say:

Hmmmm, lets look at the Christian countries on Earth and see what Christianity is about.  Human rights, peace, equality, and love.  I see it all the time, why would anyone get the impression that Christianity is about anything less.

But don't forget to look at lynchings (race and sexuality motivated), the KKK, repression of women, use of nukes, racial segregation, genocide, the holocaust, the inquisitions, interference in the politics of other nations, terrorism, exploitation of the third world, deforestation and jamdude.
exploitation, deforestation, use of nukes, interference? you must know evil knievel, cuz only he could have made that jump

as for the rest it falls into either

A) old news, shit you have to look into history (mostly ancient) to find a relevant quantity of or
B) minor representations of a sect, as opposed to Islam, where we receive news of this (still) happening from the very highest seats of Islamic power, it would be the equivalent of the Vatican openly executing based on race or such, in which case refer to point (A)

edit: doh! wrote this while on the second page didnt see spit did the same

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-09-15 17:45:09)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6900|USA
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09 … index.html


If only there were this kind of outrage for terrorism from the Muslims.
--->[Your]Phobia<---
Member
+35|7005|UK - England

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/16/pope.islam/index.html


If only there were this kind of outrage for terrorism from the Muslims.
NEWS FLASH - There is.. Whats that you say - you have not seen it on TV? I woonder why? is it because your too busy with watching right winged media such as Sky/fox etc?

Oh and  Pope Benedict should have self-criticised Christianity's violent past before making comments about other faiths and or religions.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6900|USA

--->[Your]Phobia<--- wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/16/pope.islam/index.html


If only there were this kind of outrage for terrorism from the Muslims.
NEWS FLASH - There is.. Whats that you say - you have not seen it on TV? I woonder why? is it because your too busy with watching right winged media such as Sky/fox etc?

Oh and  Pope Benedict should have self-criticised Christianity's violent past before making comments about other faiths and or religions.
Well gee whiz, you TELL me there is , yet you show no links. Hmmmmmmmm
JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7026
What the pope did is hilarious. He says God would never bring violence through his religion and that islam is evil. So what do muslims do? Burn churches, start riots, mock the pope, attack christians and DEMAND an apology. What nice people. The pope was obviously mistaken.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6902

Major_Spittle wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

Hmmmm, lets look at the Muslim countries on Earth and see what Islam is about.  Human rights, peace, equality, and love.  I see it all the time, why would anyone get the impression that Islam is about anything less.
Your sarcastic trolling still amuses me....  to that I say:

Hmmmm, lets look at the Christian countries on Earth and see what Christianity is about.  Human rights, peace, equality, and love.  I see it all the time, why would anyone get the impression that Christianity is about anything less.

But don't forget to look at lynchings (race and sexuality motivated), the KKK, repression of women, use of nukes, racial segregation, genocide, the holocaust, the inquisitions, interference in the politics of other nations, terrorism, exploitation of the third world, deforestation and jamdude.
WTF ....  tolerant.
When I flip peoples statements, switching out one word for another (e.g. Islam for Christianity in this case), I usually do it is because I think the statement a ridiculous sweeping generalisation.  By  saying that the list I provided "doesn't count" towards proving Christianity itself is at fault you have played the exact card I thought you would.  A religion itself is not in itself capable of spreading inequality, abusing rights, making war and preaching hatred.  It can be perverted to such aims when it suits some individuals/groups, but that is the fault of the people who do it, not the religion itself. 

JaMDuDe wrote:

What the pope did is hilarious. He says God would never bring violence through his religion and that islam is evil. So what do muslims do? Burn churches, start riots, mock the pope, attack christians and DEMAND an apology. What nice people. The pope was obviously mistaken.
Are you aware how many Muslims suffer violence at the hands of Christians whenever some individuals carry out terrorists actions in the name of their religion?  Now, does this violence by certain Christians mean that all Christianity is evil?  No?  Well then, how does it prove that "Islam is evil" (your words not his)?
SwampDog
Member
+12|6719|Luton, England
No comment
cragzh1
Member
+2|6692|england ruler of the seas
religion and money the biggest killer of man on the planet.
JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7026

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

What the pope did is hilarious. He says God would never bring violence through his religion and that islam is evil. So what do muslims do? Burn churches, start riots, mock the pope, attack christians and DEMAND an apology. What nice people. The pope was obviously mistaken.
Are you aware how many Muslims suffer violence at the hands of Christians whenever some individuals carry out terrorists actions in the name of their religion?  Now, does this violence by certain Christians mean that all Christianity is evil?  No?  Well then, how does it prove that "Islam is evil" (your words not his)?
Comparing terrorists attacks and islamic fascism to a few christians being violent against muslims after an attack proves nothing. If christianity had millions of people who hate all non-christians and support fascism and terrorism then it would be as evil as islam. Even if the majority of christians were good. I cannot think of a single islamic state that is full of great people who love human rights and peace.
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6902

JaMDuDe wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

What the pope did is hilarious. He says God would never bring violence through his religion and that islam is evil. So what do muslims do? Burn churches, start riots, mock the pope, attack christians and DEMAND an apology. What nice people. The pope was obviously mistaken.
Are you aware how many Muslims suffer violence at the hands of Christians whenever some individuals carry out terrorists actions in the name of their religion?  Now, does this violence by certain Christians mean that all Christianity is evil?  No?  Well then, how does it prove that "Islam is evil" (your words not his)?
Comparing terrorists attacks and islamic fascism to a few christians being violent against muslims after an attack proves nothing. If christianity had millions of people who hate all non-christians and support fascism and terrorism then it would be as evil as islam. Even if the majority of christians were good. I cannot think of a single islamic state that is full of great people who love human rights and peace.
So you are saying that Christianity is evil?
--->[Your]Phobia<---
Member
+35|7005|UK - England

lowing wrote:

--->[Your]Phobia<--- wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/16/pope.islam/index.html


If only there were this kind of outrage for terrorism from the Muslims.
NEWS FLASH - There is.. Whats that you say - you have not seen it on TV? I woonder why? is it because your too busy with watching right winged media such as Sky/fox etc?

Oh and  Pope Benedict should have self-criticised Christianity's violent past before making comments about other faiths and or religions.
Well gee whiz, you TELL me there is , yet you show no links. Hmmmmmmmm
you could have got off your lazy ass and looked for the evidence your slef, but i guess your a lazy ****.
Here you go
JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7026

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

JaMDuDe wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

Are you aware how many Muslims suffer violence at the hands of Christians whenever some individuals carry out terrorists actions in the name of their religion?  Now, does this violence by certain Christians mean that all Christianity is evil?  No?  Well then, how does it prove that "Islam is evil" (your words not his)?
Comparing terrorists attacks and islamic fascism to a few christians being violent against muslims after an attack proves nothing. If christianity had millions of people who hate all non-christians and support fascism and terrorism then it would be as evil as islam. Even if the majority of christians were good. I cannot think of a single islamic state that is full of great people who love human rights and peace.
So you are saying that Christianity is evil?
Show me thousands of christian fascists and terrorists(i dont mean a thousand neo-nazis peacefully marching who happen to claim to be christian on the side) and maybe it is. Islam has millions of them but finding millions of christian ones may be too hard of a task

Last edited by JaMDuDe (2006-09-17 10:08:24)

CameronPoe
Member
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I love JaMDuDe's assumed statistics: millions of islamic 'fascists'. Where did you get that number from? LOL

People like JaMDuDe are a hindrance to peacemaking and bridging differences with baseless assumptions like that.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-09-17 09:53:33)

JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7026
Do you honestly believe the entire west has launched a war thats going to last decades against a few thousand terrorists that the entire middle east hates? If you travel to yemen, somalia, iran, iraq, afghanistan and palistine you can easily find a million people who hate the west and support islamic terrorism/fascism. Dearborn Michigan alone has over 10,000 people who support hezbollah. Im sure in tehran you could find a bit more.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6804

JaMDuDe wrote:

Do you honestly believe the entire west has launched a war thats going to last decades against a few thousand terrorists that the entire middle east hates? If you travel to yemen, somalia, iran, iraq, afghanistan and palistine you can easily find a million people who hate the west and support islamic terrorism/fascism. Dearborn Michigan alone has over 10,000 people who support hezbollah. Im sure in tehran you could find a bit more.
Some points: Hezbollah - organisation aimed at exelling Israel from Lebanon - not islamic fascists; Hamas/Fatah - organisations aimed at expelling Israel from Palestine, not islamic fascists. I think you confuse legitimate struggles with the Bin Laden brand of anti-westernism that isn't actually that prevalent. People don't hate things for no reason, in general.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-09-17 10:43:18)

JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7026
My point is a small town in america has over 10,000 people marching in support of terrorism. Finding a million people who support islamic terrorism/fascism world wide would be easy. I didnt say hezbollah were islamic fascists, but they are terrorists.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6804
If this so-called islamic 'fascism' was as widespread as you suggest the west would be suffering attacks daily. We aren't.
he_who_says_zonk
Member
+17|6969

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

"If you like Muslims please say so...  if you dont, say no comment"    lol...   only looking for positive responses...   I have no problem with any group or religion until they threaten my family... my country and my freedom...     I heard the best quote the other day...  "Not all muslims are terrorists... but most all the terrorists are muslim"
Actually about 47% of terrorist groups are muslim according to wikipedia... wikipedia is of course not the best resource but the methodology in this case is pretty sound.

So most terrorists are not muslim.

It's just that if a terrorist is muslim, the media describes them as "muslim terrorist" wheras non-muslim terrorists are just "terrorists".

No one describes Timothy McVeigh as a "christian terrorist", for example.

I'm not taking sides on the debate at all, I don't want to get drawn into it. Just saying that statistically, muslims are not the majority of terrorists.

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