How do you never meet a Muslim?TrollmeaT wrote:
I think people need to abandon religion & accept reason into their lives so that they may think for themselves.
I have never met a Muslim, but if I did I would judge him individually like I do with everyone else, I hear they are a great people full of love & joy, I hope what I hear is correct.
What does it matter what group is more religious, they are both in error.
I wouldn't be afraid if I were you, your an an American before a Muslim right?
Muslims are just like anyone else. I live in dearborn, highest concentration of arabic people. They're just like anyone else to me. And most don't seem any more religious than most christians.
Could anyone tell me why the original poster got banned?
I think for the most part muslims are victims of the same prejudice we saw with the Nazis, the USSR, the KKK, etc
The "it's either the USA or Islam" thing is so stupid. 9/11 was bad, don't get me wrong, but other countries have suffered much more throughout history. People who are calling this World War 3 are severely mislead or they are mentally disturbed.
The "it's either the USA or Islam" thing is so stupid. 9/11 was bad, don't get me wrong, but other countries have suffered much more throughout history. People who are calling this World War 3 are severely mislead or they are mentally disturbed.
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For not advocating the death of all Muslims, despite the name of the topic.CameronPoe wrote:
Could anyone tell me why the original poster got banned?
Well I think most Muslims are pretty nice, but it worries me that in the qua ran it stands that you should see Christians as enemies. Please comment that, and whats the purpose of that sentence.
If memory serves it was a tempban by Viper007Bond for comments in a thread which has since been deleted.... ask him if you want to know more, but the mods generally don't have to explain their actions to the public at large, just to each other (as far as I'm aware)... I'm not a mod so I couldn't tell you what rules he broke and how long the ban is...CameronPoe wrote:
Could anyone tell me why the original poster got banned?
Got this off a web site somewhere:stef10 wrote:
Well I think most Muslims are pretty nice, but it worries me that in the qua ran it stands that you should see Christians as enemies. Please comment that, and whats the purpose of that sentence.
Time and again, over and over and over again, I either read or hear from people that Islam calls for the murder of "infidels," or all those who are not Muslim. This perception is so pervasive, so entrenched, and I really do not know from where it comes. Yes, there are Muslims who do believe this: 19 of them crashed three planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon, killing nearly 3,000 of my innocent American brothers and sisters. But, I don't know from where they got this idea. "It is the Qur'an, you idiot!!!" I am quite sure some of you just screamed that to your computer screen. Really? Where? I do not know of one verse which directs the believers to kill all "infidels." Yet, I am constantly reminded of the contrary, such as this verse:
"Now when you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks until you overcome them fully..." (47:4).
Or this one:
"O you who have attained to faith! Fight against those unbelievers who are near you and let them find you adamant, and know that God is with those who are conscious of Him" (9:123).
Or this one:
"O Prophet! Strive hard (lit., make "jihad") against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be adamant with them... " (66:73).
Yet, perhaps the "poster child" of all the verses in the Qur'an which are cited as evidence that Islam calls for the murder of infidels is this one, the so-called "Verse of the Sword":
"Slay the pagans wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place..." (9:5).
Case closed? Wrong. These verses have a context, and when understood in their proper context, it will become quite clear that the verses cited above are not a carte blanche for Muslims to kill all non-Muslims...
...In the Qur'an, the principle of fighting is purely self-defensive. According to all available Traditions, the earliest verses revealed with regards to fighting are these:
"Permission [to fight] is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged and, verily, God has indeed the power to succour them; those who have been driven from their homelands against all right for no other reason than their saying, 'Our sustainer is God!'" (22:39-40).
Along with this verse is 2:190, which says:
"And fight in God's cause against those who wage war against you..."
Thus, it is quite clear that fighting is to be done in self-defense. Now, anyone can commit acts of terror and aggression and say, "it's in self-defense." In fact, that is precisely what Al Qaeda is doing: they claim by killing 3,000 people in New York City and Washington, D.C., they are "defending" the Muslim nation against "Zionist and Crusader" aggression against the Muslims. What sheer rubbish.
The Qur'an clearly states, in the remainder of 2:190 it says:
"...but do not commit aggression, for verily, God does not love aggressors."
"Committing aggression" includes killing innocent civilians in Tel Aviv, Beslan, New York, Baghdad, or wherever. Furthermore, when the enemy ceases its hostility, fighting must cease:
"...but if they desist, then all hostility shall cease, save against those who [willfully] do wrong" (2:193).
Another verse repeats this insistence that hostility must cease when the enemy stops its aggression against you:
"But if they [the enemy] incline to peace, incline thou to it as well, and place thy trust in God: verily, He alone is all-hearing, all-knowing! And should they seek but to deceive thee [by their show of peace] - behold, God is enough for thee! He it is who has strengthened thee with His succour, and by giving thee believing followers" (8:61-62).
Thus, even if the enemy is feigning a peaceful posture, the Muslims are still commanded to cease hostility and "place their trust in God." Thus, it is quite clear that fighting is in self-defense, and aggression is not allowed. Now, Muslims have waged wars of aggression in the past, for sure, and they even called them "jihad against the infidels" in order to justify their desire for territorial expansion. In fact, one of the most pertinent examples of this was the Ummayad Dynasty, which enacted a policy of "jihad" as perpetual warfare. But, such a policy is not Islamically correct, and as the collapse of the Ummayad Dynasty showed, not sustainable.
Maybe because he was "going to kill her"?CameronPoe wrote:
Could anyone tell me why the original poster got banned?
NO COMMENTBlackPlague wrote:
Being a Muslim in the U.S. at the age of 20, I don't think I feel safe as much as I did before 9/11. What do you guys think of Muslims in America? If you say anything, please give support to your idea so we can follow you as you describe it. If you like Muslims, please say so. If you don't please say no comment.
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I would also like to know which group do you think is more religious?
Shiites
Sunnis?
Another religion that wants to saw the heads off non-beleivers! Sorry, but you're clueless and need to get educated about our mortal enemy.stryyker wrote:
Muslims are fine, its just another religion in the world.
Read the koran dude...it's all there. Read closely the parts about thier treatment of women as Law.
there are 1500+ versions of the bible...none says to kill non-beleivers and rape their women.
There's only one koran and it goes into graphic detail as to the treatment of infedels and women.
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what about this in the bible:HolmWrecker wrote:
Another religion that wants to saw the heads off non-beleivers! Sorry, but you're clueless and need to get educated about our mortal enemy.stryyker wrote:
Muslims are fine, its just another religion in the world.
Read the koran dude...it's all there. Read closely the parts about thier treatment of women as Law.
there are 1500+ versions of the bible...none says to kill non-beleivers and rape their women.
There's only one koran and it goes into graphic detail as to the treatment of infedels and women.
Old Testament:
35:2. You are supposed to kill people who work on Sunday.
18:22. Homosexuality is an abomination. All gays to be killed.
31:17-18. Moses says kill all, save the virgins for yourself
2:33-35. God demands killing of women, children, theft of land, theft of cattle.
22:13-21. A bride who is not a virgin will be killed with stones
22:23-26. If a virgin is raped, both she and the man shall be killed
Excactly, just because they march by the tens of thousands in support of terrorists doesnt mean they arent like the rest of us.jonsimon wrote:
Muslims are just like anyone else. I live in dearborn, highest concentration of arabic people. They're just like anyone else to me. And most don't seem any more religious than most christians.
It never ceases to amuse me - people posting a 'fact' with a seemingly 100% confidence in the correctness of what they're saying, when in fact they are completely incorrect and simply demonstrating their total ignorance.HolmWrecker wrote:
Another religion that wants to saw the heads off non-beleivers! Sorry, but you're clueless and need to get educated about our mortal enemy.stryyker wrote:
Muslims are fine, its just another religion in the world.
Read the koran dude...it's all there. Read closely the parts about thier treatment of women as Law.
there are 1500+ versions of the bible...none says to kill non-beleivers and rape their women.
There's only one koran and it goes into graphic detail as to the treatment of infedels and women.
JaMDuDe - you're the least Christian Christian I know. You also like to generalise and make wafer thin arguments to support your usually ill-thought through cases.JaMDuDe wrote:
Excactly, just because they march by the tens of thousands in support of terrorists doesnt mean they arent like the rest of us.jonsimon wrote:
Muslims are just like anyone else. I live in dearborn, highest concentration of arabic people. They're just like anyone else to me. And most don't seem any more religious than most christians.
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Religous zealots marching in the thousands? Not exclusive to Islam.JaMDuDe wrote:
Excactly, just because they march by the tens of thousands in support of terrorists doesnt mean they arent like the rest of us.jonsimon wrote:
Muslims are just like anyone else. I live in dearborn, highest concentration of arabic people. They're just like anyone else to me. And most don't seem any more religious than most christians.
I know. Islam just has millions more people doing it.Ikarti wrote:
Religous zealots marching in the thousands? Not exclusive to Islam.JaMDuDe wrote:
Excactly, just because they march by the tens of thousands in support of terrorists doesnt mean they arent like the rest of us.jonsimon wrote:
Muslims are just like anyone else. I live in dearborn, highest concentration of arabic people. They're just like anyone else to me. And most don't seem any more religious than most christians.
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Source?JaMDuDe wrote:
I know. Islam just has millions more people doing it.Ikarti wrote:
Religous zealots marching in the thousands? Not exclusive to Islam.JaMDuDe wrote:
Excactly, just because they march by the tens of thousands in support of terrorists doesnt mean they arent like the rest of us.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … kk1928.jpg
www.arrogant-dum-fuk.com ??Ikarti wrote:
Source?JaMDuDe wrote:
I know. Islam just has millions more people doing it.Ikarti wrote:
Religous zealots marching in the thousands? Not exclusive to Islam.
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Good one, Jamdude. Really trying to dumb people down to your intelligence. Yeah, those 3 pictures REALLY represent Islam alright. Let's go kill all of them because, A DUHHRR!! JAMDUDE HAS PIX OF THEM BEING HATEFUL!
When the world finally dumps some false, non-existant GOD, then and only then we will have peace. To the OP, there is no difference between the Suni and Shiite, they are both a bunch of fucking idiots that would destroy themselves and any country they had over differences so minor that only a complete moron would fight. If Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and every other Muslin country self destructed because of these differences, I could only say.... GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!
Well, your the one who seems to be having trouble reading. I never said those guys represent islam. Those guys represent some of the problems with islam and the millions of fascists it has created. There are a lot of good muslims. And there are a lot of bad ones.Spearhead wrote:
Good one, Jamdude. Really trying to dumb people down to your intelligence. Yeah, those 3 pictures REALLY represent Islam alright. Let's go kill all of them because, A DUHHRR!! JAMDUDE HAS PIX OF THEM BEING HATEFUL!
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Enemy retard spotted!JaMDuDe wrote:
Well, your the one who seems to be having trouble reading. I never said those guys represent islam. Those guys represent some of the problems with islam and the millions of fascists it has created. There are a lot of good muslims. And there are a lot of bad ones.Spearhead wrote:
Good one, Jamdude. Really trying to dumb people down to your intelligence. Yeah, those 3 pictures REALLY represent Islam alright. Let's go kill all of them because, A DUHHRR!! JAMDUDE HAS PIX OF THEM BEING HATEFUL!
How in the name of Atheon do those pictures represent some of the problems with islam? LOL.
It's like Sesame St. Which one of these doesn't fit in? Is it the smiling faceshot of Mahmoud Ahmedinejad? Is it the man with a headscarf on holding a gun? Is it the man holding the placard?
I can really see where your coming from with your first and third pictures - they sum things up so succinctly. Islam clearly has problems. LOL.
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