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2015-06-26 04:28:37

#76

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

It's ridiculous that Apple is removing Civil war games but that doesn't invalidate the new Confederate flag deinvestment movement. It isn't good for society to have those things flying everywhere same way it isn't good to have people driving around with a Nazi flag in Germany or ISIS black standard in Saudi Arabia. Don't totally ban it or put people in prison but the government shouldn't put it on things and businesses should know better than to sell it.

2015-06-26 04:28:59

#77

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,053|6624|Little Bentcock

I like the black field and the silver fern

2015-06-26 12:10:53

#78

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +794|6686|United States of America

SuperJail Warden wrote:
It's ridiculous that Apple is removing Civil war games but that doesn't invalidate the new Confederate flag deinvestment movement. It isn't good for society to have those things flying everywhere same way it isn't good to have people driving around with a Nazi flag in Germany or ISIS black standard in Saudi Arabia. Don't totally ban it or put people in prison but the government shouldn't put it on things and businesses should know better than to sell it.

It's not ridiculous, it's perfectly logical. We had one of our regular mass shootings and decided we needed to ban... the Condfederate flag, apparently.

Americans...

2015-06-26 13:05:05

#79

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +682|6292|Washington St.

DesertFox- wrote:
Americans...

uhhh scuse me but shall we compare legalization of gay marriage in the US and Straya?

2015-06-26 14:02:32

#80

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

DesertFox- wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
It's ridiculous that Apple is removing Civil war games but that doesn't invalidate the new Confederate flag deinvestment movement. It isn't good for society to have those things flying everywhere same way it isn't good to have people driving around with a Nazi flag in Germany or ISIS black standard in Saudi Arabia. Don't totally ban it or put people in prison but the government shouldn't put it on things and businesses should know better than to sell it.
It's not ridiculous, it's perfectly logical. We had one of our regular mass shootings and decided we needed to ban... the Condfederate flag, apparently.

Americans...

It's more about removing a symbol of the culture that encourages and justifies the thinking that caused the guy to shoot black people. If you take away obvious symbols of something from daily life, you can reduce its influence.

2015-06-26 15:29:29

#81

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

Jay wrote:
Ty wrote:
I think this is going a bit far. Removal from public buildings sure, making sure people know what they actually represent and taking some steps to make it not quite so prevalent is sensible but lets keep some perspective. This kid didn't walk into a church and shoot nine people dead with a flag.
Nor was he inspired by the flag to gun people down. It's easier to react to tragedy by demonizing symbols than to simply accept that the world is full of random events and people outside of your control.

Mostly this is an example of people with a long simmering agenda using the event to finally get their way. Never let a good tragedy go to waste etc.

Would it be OK if the Swastika were flying on govt buildings?

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2015-06-26 16:18:04

#82

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +794|6686|United States of America

SuperJail Warden wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
It's ridiculous that Apple is removing Civil war games but that doesn't invalidate the new Confederate flag deinvestment movement. It isn't good for society to have those things flying everywhere same way it isn't good to have people driving around with a Nazi flag in Germany or ISIS black standard in Saudi Arabia. Don't totally ban it or put people in prison but the government shouldn't put it on things and businesses should know better than to sell it.
It's not ridiculous, it's perfectly logical. We had one of our regular mass shootings and decided we needed to ban... the Confederate flag, apparently.

Americans...
It's more about removing a symbol of the culture that encourages and justifies the thinking that caused the guy to shoot black people. If you take away obvious symbols of something from daily life, you can reduce its influence.

I'm all for removing it because fuck the backwards part of the country we call the South, it just seems an odd course of action in the wake of another mass shooting, though to be fair, Sandy Hook should have been the most shocking one and fuckall happened in response to that.

2015-06-26 22:53:49

#83

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6717

pirana6 wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
Americans...
uhhh scuse me but shall we compare legalization of gay marriage in the US and Straya?

you guys did it through constitutional powers which our high court doesn't have. so yeh. not like you lot passed a gay marriage act either.

dont be a h8er

i think gay marriage act is going to pass soon in aus.

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2015-06-27 13:29:04

#84

Steve-0: Karma limited. Contact Admin to Be Promoted.; +214|3961|SL,UT

Cybargs wrote:
i think gay marriage act is going to pass soon in aus.

i hope it does, so that hetero couple will divorce in protest. i think he's closeted anyways, and i've seen better looking sheep dogs than her. they are secretly hoping a law passes in aus . . .

2015-06-29 14:59:01

#85

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,736|6738|Oxferd Ohire

Walmart store bakes man an ISIS cake after refusing to ice Confederate flag design

2015-06-30 03:35:47

#86

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6776|Noizyland

Side-stepping a pothole only to fall off a bridge...

I think instead of banning the ISIS flag we should all just treat it normally but gradually replace it with that butt plug flag that so confused CNN at that gay pride parade. Because you just know there'd be some fuck-knob jihadist who wasn't quite on the ball enough to realise he'd just made his dramatic fatwa speech in front of a banner of bum toys. Sure it may be in the context of a horrendous calamity like the Martin Place siege, (the gunman there didn't have the right flag,) but I think given the dull state of affairs a bit of levity would be appreciated.

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2015-08-10 17:50:04

#87

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6776|Noizyland

Well my flag didn't make the short-list. But this one did:

https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1438562963/105/12342105.jpg

So that's the one I hope wins.

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2015-08-10 19:59:10

#88

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6682|Disaster Free Zone

You do know the southern cross has 5 stars? I understand its hard for a NZer to count up to 5 but this flag will be shown internationally and you don't want to look stupid for another 113 years.

2015-08-10 21:29:22

#89

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6776|Noizyland

Yeah but I quite like our technically incorrect "abbreviated" version.

Also New Zealanders have no trouble with the number five. Certainly not as much trouble as Australians have with the number sex.

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2015-08-10 21:32:21

#90

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,053|6624|Little Bentcock

I like that one.

2015-08-11 01:03:31

#91

tazz.: oz.; +1,338|6175|Sydney | ♥

where's the little star?

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2015-08-11 08:39:55

#92

globefish23: sophisticated slacker; +334|6325|Graz, Austria

Ty wrote:
Well my flag didn't make the short-list. But this one did:

So that's the one I hope wins.

I saw the short-list with 40 flags on the Austrian headlines, but didn't see your name anywhere.
http://orf.at/stories/2293282/2293285/

If the new flag doesn't have a full-sized fern leaf on it, and/or still has some remnants of the Union Jack, this whole thing has failed.
My favourite is still the all-black flag with the white fern on it, without anything else.

Has there actually been a suggestion with a kiwi on it?

2015-08-11 14:39:37

#93

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6776|Noizyland

Yeah there were quite a few kiwi suggestions but to be honest while we are known as kiwis it's a fairly impotent symbol. Kiwis are lovely in person but really they're a weird rotund ground-dwelling bid with a name most people assume refers to a fruit.

I'm a little disappointed in the short list. They're all variations on the same theme really and I'm surprised at how many reference the koru, (spiral,) when so many were adamant that the symbol was too Maori-specific. There were a few designs submitted that more adhered to vexillological norms and it would have been good to have a few of them.

The final four I think will come down to:
Hundertwasser Koru
Gareth Morgan Flag
Otiz Frizzell Koru
Kyle Lockwood Fern

It's also possible that either the Frizzell flag or the Morgan flag will just be the white fern on black instead. I'm pretty sure the Hundertwasser flag will be in there because everyone here liked Friedensreich Hundertwasser so much that we practically dedicated a town to him. Plus it was one of the first flags put forward as a genuine alternative. A Lockwood flag will definitely be among them as it has consistently emerged most popular, the question will be what version. The red white and blue one has been around for longer but the black white blue and red one has been emerging as more popular for some time. They'll have to pick one though otherwise you're just going to split the vote, (though as I understand it's a preference vote so maybe it won't matter.)

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2015-08-11 19:55:30

#94

tazz.: oz.; +1,338|6175|Sydney | ♥

https://www.govt.nz/assets/flags-designs/3192-image.jpg

I agree with globefish that this is the mint piece- was it due to muh terrorismsmssms that it didn't fly?

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2015-08-11 20:08:52

#95

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6776|Noizyland

Possibly. People don't particularly like an all black flag. The think black's dull or forboding or negative - though all colours have their negative connotations so I don't know what that's about. I think black is elegant and powerful - Renoir called it the "queen of colours" after all. The ISIS comparison thing is a fairly recent and nonsensical point and a pretty weak argument.

Some keep badmouthing the fern too which annoys me given its historical and cultural importance that goes well beyond it's use as a logo for the All Blacks. Some people have been saying it looks like a fish skeleton or a white feather. If you're a New Zealander and you don't know what the silver fern is there's no fucking hope for you.

I'm okay with it and I'd be fine voting for it if it gets put up against our current flag. I think it's the most iconic symbol of the country, and not just because of the rugby team. Every single time we need a symbol we immediately go for the fern on black. The second someone suggests it should be our flag suddenly "oh no that's too far". Eh?

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2015-08-12 03:01:24

#96

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6682|Disaster Free Zone

I don't like any of those 4. The best flags are simple, have only straight lines (or the occasional circle), easy to recognise and reproduce by a 6 year old. Think Germany, France, all the Scandinavian countries, Japan, South Africa, Jamaica etc.

The Gareth Morgan Flag meets those requirements, but on the other hand it's just ugly.

This points out the basics to good design.

And every single one of these is fucking shit.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6687060-1x1-940x940.jpg

2015-08-12 05:39:38

#97

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6710|England. Stoke

Ungrateful bloody colonials.

2015-08-12 05:50:13

#98

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5359|London, England

I like the Lockwood

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2015-08-12 06:33:01

#99

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +635|3721

Should just take the American flag, remove the stars, and out a big white leaf in the blue area. Boom you got yourself a flag to be proud of.

2015-08-12 10:35:23

#100

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6710|England. Stoke

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Should just take the American flag, remove the stars, and out a big white leaf in the blue area. Boom you got yourself a flag to be proud of.

But there aren't 13 colonies in New Zealand.

The Current Flag	17%	17% - 19
Hundertwasser's Koru flag	4%	4% - 5
Tino Rangatiratanga flag	4%	4% - 5
Kind-of striped flag.	1%	1% - 2
Silver Fern flag	11%	11% - 13
Southern-cross/Silver Fern flag	28%	28% - 31
Tyferra's flag	31%	31% - 35
Total: 110

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