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From your article:
More than 2,300 people in the state were hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Monday. That's still significantly fewer than the nearly 4,000 people who were hospitalized at one point during the first COVID-19 surge in spring 2020. But back then, Biddinger said, hospitals in the state dramatically scaled back operations to focus on the pandemic, canceling everything but the most essential admissions and procedures.

"What we have seen ... is actually the consequences of a lot of that canceled care where people come back sicker because they missed a procedure, missed an intervention," he said. "And really, ever since the first wave, those chickens have been coming home to roost in terms of overall patient demand."

That left hospitals packed before the current wave of COVID-19 patients. And on top of that, Biddinger said, many exhausted staff left the healthcare field during the last two years. And now, hospitals are seeing significant numbers of staff members unable to come to work because of their own coronavirus infections or exposures.
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From my post:
While the idea of the coronavirus pandemic ending is promising, allowing the world to return to some semblance of normal life, scientists also warn that it is highly unlikely that COVID will ever disappear completely.

“This virus is so well adapted for human-to-human transmission that it’s never going to away,” Dr. Timothy Brewer says. “There will be periods when there will be more cases and [fewer] cases, just like it occurs with influenza every year.”
'WiShFuL tHiNkInG, pick your own reality!'
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It was engineered for human-to-human transmission.

Whether herd immunity from omicron will happen who knows.
Herd immunity from vaccination seems to be a pipe dream, vaccination doesn't seem to stop infection or transmission, herd immunity seems improbable.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Dr. Melisa Lai-Becker, the medical director for the emergency department at Cambridge Health Alliance's Everett Hospital, spent much of Monday afternoon urgently calling hospitals all over the state.

"I was searching for an ICU [intensive care unit] bed for one of our patients, and every single facility is full," she said. "They are at full capacity. They have no ICU beds left."

uziq wrote:

telling us that 'ICUs are filling up with omicron, dipshit!' when they patently are not.

uziq wrote:

But its just a sore throat! Dipshit!

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HOUSTON — COVID-19 is spreading at unprecedented levels in Houston due to the incredibly contagious omicron variant.

Houston Methodist is sharing detailed information about who is getting infected and how sick they’re getting.

“We’re seeing fewer patients needing to be admitted due to omicron. We’re seeing the patients who are admitted having shorter lengths of stay and not requiring the same degree of high-level care or ICU care we saw with delta,” Houston Methodist Dr. Wesley Long said.

Long said their study looked at the first 1,313 patients who tested positive for omicron from the end of November through Dec. 20, 2021.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/healt … 0a4bdadaae
what mac didn't post from his article:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

From your article:
More than 2,300 people in the state were hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Monday. That's still significantly fewer than the nearly 4,000 people who were hospitalized at one point during the first COVID-19 surge in spring 2020. But back then, Biddinger said, hospitals in the state dramatically scaled back operations to focus on the pandemic, canceling everything but the most essential admissions and procedures.

"What we have seen ... is actually the consequences of a lot of that canceled care where people come back sicker because they missed a procedure, missed an intervention," he said. "And really, ever since the first wave, those chickens have been coming home to roost in terms of overall patient demand."

That left hospitals packed before the current wave of COVID-19 patients. And on top of that, Biddinger said, many exhausted staff left the healthcare field during the last two years. And now, hospitals are seeing significant numbers of staff members unable to come to work because of their own coronavirus infections or exposures.
previously posted:

While the idea of the coronavirus pandemic ending is promising, allowing the world to return to some semblance of normal life, scientists also warn that it is highly unlikely that COVID will ever disappear completely.
The number of ICU patients is a lagging indicator, likely to rise in the coming weeks, experts said. What’s more, some states are still struggling under the crush of hospitalizations from delta, a previous version of the virus that may be more virulent. (Hospitals are frequently in the dark about which variant newly admitted patients are infected with.)
get vaccinated, get your boosters, etc. etc.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Dr. Melisa Lai-Becker, the medical director for the emergency department at Cambridge Health Alliance's Everett Hospital, spent much of Monday afternoon urgently calling hospitals all over the state.

"I was searching for an ICU [intensive care unit] bed for one of our patients, and every single facility is full," she said. "They are at full capacity. They have no ICU beds left."

uziq wrote:

telling us that 'ICUs are filling up with omicron, dipshit!' when they patently are not.

uziq wrote:

But its just a sore throat! Dipshit!
you are so fucking dishonest. we were specifically talking about OMICRON, which will undoubtedly be the dominant strain globally by the end of this month.

you’re still going on about people getting sick in america and australia with DELTA, who are furthermore UNVACCINATED.

your need to pursue dogged little arguments is fucking boring. get a life dilbert. get some friends. go outside.

literally all of the paragraph bombs of depressing worried paranoid loser talk from above confirm everything i’ve been saying. omicron visits are much shorter and don’t end up in ICU. what were you saying? ‘oh we will undoubtedly see the new admissions this week go to ICU, after all we know it takes weeks to develop …’.  WRONG. omicron infects the throat NOT the deep lungs. do you even grasp basic biology? your blood doesn’t get perfused with oxygen in the throat you fucking idiot. life-threatening respiratory distress is not a feature of 99% of omicron cases.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

i resent being called a whelp. i'm a strapping young lad, priapic and concupiscent.
You're a twig, Sh1fty could have kicked your ass.
when did you last get laid again?
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uziq wrote:

literally all of the paragraph bombs of depressing worried paranoid loser talk from above confirm everything i’ve been saying. omicron visits are much shorter and don’t end up in ICU. what were you saying? ‘oh we will undoubtedly see the new admissions this week go to ICU, after all we know it takes weeks to develop …’.  WRONG. omicron infects the throat NOT the deep lungs. do you even grasp basic biology? your blood doesn’t get perfused with oxygen in the throat you fucking idiot. life-threatening respiratory distress is not a feature of 99% of omicron cases.
https://www.reuters.com/business/health … 021-12-15/

Omicron does infect lungs, just more slowly, and seems more effective in latching onto cells and more resistant to antibodies.

So in fact its a more aggressive variant, but infects the throat more than the lungs.

Wait until we have an omicron variant which thrives in lungs.

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your terms are vague. ‘aggressive’: at what? more aggressively infectious, yes; more aggressively harmful to us, no. something can be ‘aggressive’ in its spread or ‘aggressive’ in its effects. a little clarity would help your hysterical and muddled thinking.

you really don’t understand biology. what makes omicron so ‘aggressive’ at spreading is that the majority of the viral load has adapted to the upper respiratory tract. this is how it propagates so well from person to person: it’s literally in our exhausted air and liquid particulates to a much higher degree. if omicron adapted to thrive more in the deeper lungs, i.e. was more aggressively harmful to us, by definition it would have a hard time being able to spread so much. we don’t go around coughing up the contents of our alveolar sacs on one another.

nevermind the fact that for a new strain to get the upper-hand over omicron’s infectiousness, it has to adapt and outcompete the highly successful throat-cell-adapted variant. it’s more likely, therefore, that this direction of development will continue towards more upper respiratory tract variations, which are even better at getting out of our bodies and doing their work of replication.

once again there is literally NO data at this point to support your claims. all hysteria and fearmongering. yawn. omicron does not ‘take longer’ to eventually wreck our lungs. people are being discharged and recovering much faster.

Omicron does infect lungs, just more slowly,
your article literally says that it develops in the lungs '10 times more slowly' than any previous variant. you do realize that our immune systems overcome a covid infection within 3-4 weeks, right? (i am not talking about the after-effects of long covid, which is not the same thing). so if a virus has a 2-3 week window to 'do its worst', and it spreads 10x more slowly in our vital/high-risk systems ... erm, figure it out?

i wonder why hospital admission average length-of-stays are dramatically lower during this wave? you make it sound like omicron cases are a ticking time bomb, and their lungs will be ruined given 3 months, or something. you are fucking illiterate, my guy. it's embarrassing trying to talk to you about this stuff.

and seems more effective in latching onto cells and more resistant to antibodies
which is to say, the spike protein has further mutated. we already knew this. no shit that antibodies made using mRNA instructions from 2 years ago are now poorly adapted to a different-shaped spike protein, 2 years down the line. the antibodies our immune systems are 'prepared' with are out of date. want to know what enables better, more robust antibodies? getting sick with omicron. which, by the way, according to studies in south africa, gives you better retroactive protection against delta and other more serious variants. wowsers!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/28/heal … delta.html

the most alarming thing from that article is the news that some people (potentially a good number in a huge wave of infections) have idiopathic immune responses to disease and sometimes have runaway effects from inflammation response. ok, yes, we knew that all along. it's no different from a person in their 30s dying unexpectedly of flu or pneumonia. in an extremely small number of cases, particularly in the youngest and healthiest, immune systems go into cytokine storms. there is little we can do about this except to develop better antivirals and therapeutic medicine. to build public health policy around the fact that 'some people have a funny turn' is absolute insanity.

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Republicans: "but you know, the Democrats are just as anti-vax as us, remember how the Democrats said "they wouldn't take Trump's vaccine?"

I get this a lot, also it's framed as bad when Democrats "do it," but Republicans are only being cautious when they do it. I also seem to recall most of the Dem skepticism at Trump snake oil like bleach injections or medicines with unproven or disproven efficacy against COVID-19 than against legitimate vaccinations in the works.

Among Republicans:

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho … death-rate
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Depending on the particulars of the coronavirus, Dr. Pearson said he could foresee three different futures.

In one, Covid mimics the flu, with one seasonal variant pushing out the previous one, year after year.

In a second, Covid mimics dengue fever, with several variants coexisting that evade different antibodies, leading people to get sick every few years from one of them.

The third possibility is the most desirable: One variant wins out and becomes an easily prevented pathogen. But Dr. Pearson considers that the least likely scenario.

“I’d bet we can rule out that it’s trending to a place where it locks into a single variety that’s long-term immunizing and becomes a childhood infection like measles,” he said. “But that’s also still possible.”
these are the future scenarios available to us, succinctly put.

consider it dilbert. you need to come up with a long-term strategy for this. infinite closed borders and snap lockdowns for perpetuity won't work.

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Republicans: "but you know, the Democrats are just as anti-vax as us, remember how the Democrats said "they wouldn't take Trump's vaccine?"

I get this a lot, also it's framed as bad when Democrats "do it," but Republicans are only being cautious when they do it. I also seem to recall most of the Dem skepticism at Trump snake oil like bleach injections or medicines with unproven or disproven efficacy against COVID-19 than against legitimate vaccinations in the works.

Among Republicans:

Pro-Trump counties now have far higher COVID death rates. Misinformation is to blame
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho … death-rate
Back when Trump was president I had the position "let's see what Israel, France, Germany, the U.K., Japan, and South Korea say about the vaccine". While none of those places managed to eradicate healthcare corruption their systems are several orders of magnitude better than ours. Those nations quickly adopted the same vaccines we use so it was all good.
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the UK and EU medical regulators in charge of drug approval and medical practice are some of the most robust and respected in the world. as well as our medical journals and scientific records being world-leading, too, or at least on par with their american counterparts. so, yes, you didn't have to wait for national governments to make their political decisions. the medical-scientific community and regulatory bodies approved the treatments.

if anything, european leaders were at times over-cautious and given to bad briefing. macron notably spread a lot of fear and skepticism about the AZ vaccine when it was most needed. not too smart. ditto, south korea's government took an extra-cautious approach and waited for european nations to begin deploying their vaccine programmes and reporting back with data, which put them at the back of the queue internationally and seriously hampered their own vaccination drives when supplies were scarce.

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uziq wrote:

Depending on the particulars of the coronavirus, Dr. Pearson said he could foresee three different futures.

In one, Covid mimics the flu, with one seasonal variant pushing out the previous one, year after year.

In a second, Covid mimics dengue fever, with several variants coexisting that evade different antibodies, leading people to get sick every few years from one of them.

The third possibility is the most desirable: One variant wins out and becomes an easily prevented pathogen. But Dr. Pearson considers that the least likely scenario.

“I’d bet we can rule out that it’s trending to a place where it locks into a single variety that’s long-term immunizing and becomes a childhood infection like measles,” he said. “But that’s also still possible.”
these are the future scenarios available to us, succinctly put.

consider it dilbert. you need to come up with a long-term strategy for this. infinite closed borders and snap lockdowns for perpetuity won't work.
We need to come up with a long term strategy, it didn't need to be this way.
For a start the Chinese could have left it in the bat cave and not fucked around with it to make it more dangerous.

My money is on the dengue fever model, it will continue indefinitely and remain quite nasty.
From the reuters article

A structural model of how the Omicron variant attaches to cells and antibodies sheds light on its behavior and will help in designing neutralizing antibodies, according to researchers.

Using computer models of the spike protein on Omicron's surface, they analyzed molecular interactions occurring when the spike grabs onto a cell-surface protein called ACE2, the virus's gateway into the cell.

Metaphorically, the original virus had a handshake with ACE2, but Omicron's grip "looks more like a couple holding hands with their fingers entwined," said Joseph Lubin of Rutgers University in New Jersey. The "molecular anatomy" of the grip may assist in explaining how Omicron's mutations cooperate to help it infect cells, Lubin added.
So its actually getting better at attacking human cells, its just chosen to attack different ones for some reason.

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NSFL

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It is here. The zombie apocalypse is here. Gentleman it has been an honor posting here with you.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

Depending on the particulars of the coronavirus, Dr. Pearson said he could foresee three different futures.

In one, Covid mimics the flu, with one seasonal variant pushing out the previous one, year after year.

In a second, Covid mimics dengue fever, with several variants coexisting that evade different antibodies, leading people to get sick every few years from one of them.

The third possibility is the most desirable: One variant wins out and becomes an easily prevented pathogen. But Dr. Pearson considers that the least likely scenario.

“I’d bet we can rule out that it’s trending to a place where it locks into a single variety that’s long-term immunizing and becomes a childhood infection like measles,” he said. “But that’s also still possible.”
these are the future scenarios available to us, succinctly put.

consider it dilbert. you need to come up with a long-term strategy for this. infinite closed borders and snap lockdowns for perpetuity won't work.
We need to come up with a long term strategy, it didn't need to be this way.
For a start the Chinese could have left it in the bat cave and not fucked around with it to make it more dangerous.

My money is on the dengue fever model, it will continue indefinitely and remain quite nasty.
From the reuters article

A structural model of how the Omicron variant attaches to cells and antibodies sheds light on its behavior and will help in designing neutralizing antibodies, according to researchers.

Using computer models of the spike protein on Omicron's surface, they analyzed molecular interactions occurring when the spike grabs onto a cell-surface protein called ACE2, the virus's gateway into the cell.

Metaphorically, the original virus had a handshake with ACE2, but Omicron's grip "looks more like a couple holding hands with their fingers entwined," said Joseph Lubin of Rutgers University in New Jersey. The "molecular anatomy" of the grip may assist in explaining how Omicron's mutations cooperate to help it infect cells, Lubin added.
So its actually getting better at attacking human cells, its just chosen to attack different ones for some reason.
both moderna and pfizer have said it will be possible to tweak their mRNA tech to better combat it. the spike protein has been mutating in dozens of different strains. there has been no mutation in the - relatively simple - spike yet that has confounded our vaccines.

it’s a different shape to our previously tooled antibodies, yes. but the metaphor is possibly a bit misleading, as you seem to be reading doom in it, as if a spike will occur that will be invincible. not so.

either way, boosters work bg ‘brute forcing’ the newer mutations, anyway. people still have 90%+ protection for over 3 months even with hopelessly outdated vaccines.

the future is entirely manageable without gross restrictions to the life of society and immense economic burdens.
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lol is she even wearing a mask? heinous. should be punishable with a heavy fine and flight bans imo.

how did they get onto the plane? do you need tests or vaccine certificates for intra-continental flights there? if not, why?
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uziq wrote:

lol is she even wearing a mask? heinous. should be punishable with a heavy fine and flight bans imo.

how did they get onto the plane? do you need tests or vaccine certificates for intra-continental flights there? if not, why?
You don't need a vaccine passport to fly on U.S. planes. You just need a facemask.

I went on a flight to South Carolina recently. You can take your mask off to eat the food and drinks they give you. So everyone took off their mask to huff down soda and peanuts.
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planes when pressurized and at cruising altitude are actually better ventilated than most forms of transport or enclosed spaces, but still.

seems particularly dumb to let people fly without presenting a negative test and/or a vaccine certificate. like as a basic minimum of courtesy to other passengers.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

lol is she even wearing a mask? heinous. should be punishable with a heavy fine and flight bans imo.

how did they get onto the plane? do you need tests or vaccine certificates for intra-continental flights there? if not, why?
You don't need a vaccine passport to fly on U.S. planes. You just need a facemask.

I went on a flight to South Carolina recently. You can take your mask off to eat the food and drinks they give you. So everyone took off their mask to huff down soda and peanuts.
You need a negative covid test within one calendar day of flying into the US, but no test or vaccine to fly within the US.

When I flew back from Puerto Vallarta, it was an airline agent who verified the test results. Would have been extremely easy to fake the results.
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dilbert, u ok hon? you barely touched your in-flight meal.

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There were pictures of people wearing buckets on their head in America. Pretty dope. Smoke some weed and wear a bucket to store. Who is going to stop you?
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when covid was an emerging news story in china, there was a vanguard of people seen on british public transport with improvised masks, too. it was more resident evil/left 4 dead in aesthetic than anything else. people thought it was a novelty. now you draw attention when you’re not wearing a mask.

what a time to be alive.

Last edited by uziq (2022-01-06 16:13:37)

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I remember going to a local grocery store right as the pandemic hit in order to get my "covid supplies (2 weeks amirite [lol])" and there was some dude wearing a face mask like he was about to take out my appendix. We made eye contact and I walked the other way. I owe him an apology. Man was ahead of the curve.
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