No, its what I've been saying all along, vaccines alone are nothing like enough.uziq wrote:
dilbert you still seem confused that viruses mutate and vaccines have to play catch-up.
Great, really looking forward to this.yes, you’re going to have to get a vaccine booster for the foreseeable future. possibly for the rest of your life or until mother nature throws us some lucky hands. get over it.
just to be clear here, what you’ve been saying all along is complete unscientific claptrap, pouring doubts on the reported safety and efficacy of vaccines. turns out they really do work and they work supremely well, almost unprecedentedly so in this category of illness.No, its what I've been saying all along, vaccines alone are nothing like enough
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uhm being exposed to a very mild version of the illness which keeps your immune system in good condition with a constant supply of corona antibodies is literally one of the best possible outcomes at this stage.that vaccinated people are getting it multiple times suggests we might not ever achieve herd immunity at all and we'll all get it over and over - this is not good news.
figures or citations please. in every country posting actual figures, it is killing a tiny amount of people. even less than the first wave of covid. show me your figures that establishes omicron as a highly concerning variantomicron is still killing people
want to know why south africa had so little serious illness and deaths during their omicron wave? because so many south africans had been getting sick over and over with covid!!! jesus christ how clueless are you. their levels of vaccination were nowhere near high enough to promote general immunity.and we'll all get it over and over - this is not good news.
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Except there's no real evidence of this at this point.uziq wrote:
covid means a sore throat for 3 days and then 6 months of a fighting-fit immune system should one encounter the rarer, nastier strains.
Except apparently 90% immunity was a myth, we'll still get it, just a bit milder.90%+ immunity to the disease
it doesn’t work that way. had this with larssen several pages ago. if it’s not the same disease with the same character/progression, it’s not reasonable to just extrapolate the numbers like that. it’s not ‘just a numbers game’.SuperJail Warden wrote:
Even if this variant is an order of magnitude less deadly than a previous ones, the scale of infection means we run the risk of many deaths.
Which is more? 2% of 100,000 or .1% of 1,000,000?
Omicron is putting people in the ICU! Dipshit!uziq wrote:
what are you talking about there’s no real evidence? every single study published in the last month strongly suggests that omicron is the mildest variant yet. there’s no evidence to the contrary you dipshit!
Except people all over who are double and triple vaccinated are getting infected - 90% my arse! Dipshit!90% was not a myth. we saw it in response to delta and i now with omicron too. why do you make up this stuff. honestly? read some scientific papers for once.
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scary stuff!Just 0.1 per cent of Omicron cases in NSW are in ICU and 0.3 per cent in Victoria
holy shit! one old guy! shut down everything! the vaccines are useless asffhhhhh£))(()2!!!!Only one patient has died with Omicron in Australia, a man in his 80s with underlying health conditions who caught it in his Sydney nursing home.
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what are you talking about? our practices haven’t got any better since, say, delta. which is still causing severe illness and is still deadly. the lesser nature of hospital visits for omicron are almost certainly to do with the fact it doesn’t infect the deep lungs anywhere near as much. it’s evolved into a throat infection ffs, as ample scientific evidence is starting to attest.I'm sure improved treatment practices are also a factor.
wow, look at that. australia’s cases are exploding but the ICU rate is down. and here you are telling me that your ICUs are filling up with omicron. they’re not. they’re full of unvaccinated people with delta.From the year to September 12, ICU rates were at 2 per cent, but this has now dropped to 1.1 per cent.
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it's still not even clear to me on a utilitarian basis what exactly justifies the 'all of the young and healthy must shelter indefinitely to save the retired' thing. in a short-term emergency and a situation which is spiralling out of control, of course, shutting down society is the emergency-brake that we desperately need.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Glad to know that you don't care if old people die. You're in good company with Jay, dilbs. Should I add that to the list of things you wouldn't bat an eye at if put into camps, like handicapped people, jews, roma, blacks, indian cab drivers?
Get more Australians vaccinated.
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this sounds like an actual living nightmare. and this hugely costly strategy, effectively living in a city turned into a massive prison ward, doesn't even work. china have had repeated outbreaks of delta, and omicron is an order of magnitude more transmissible. all of this disruption to life for an incoming strain that puts 0.1-0.25% of people in ICU? it's insanity.Strict lockdowns in the Chinese cities of Xi’an and Yuzhou are taking their toll on the population and healthcare systems, according to residents, with complaints of food shortages and dangerous delays in accessing medical care.
Xi’an, a city of 13 million people, has been under a strict lockdown for nearly two weeks, while Yuzhou’s 1.2 million residents have been ordered to stay inside since Monday evening, after three asymptomatic cases were discovered. Public transport, the use of private motor vehicles, and operation of all shops and venues not supplying daily necessities have all been suspended.
On China’s strictly monitored and regulated social media platforms, a significant number of residents have posted about their concerns and anxieties, despite generally broad support for authorities’ swift response to outbreaks.
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Reports of food shortages in Xi’an have also flourished on social media despite promises by authorities to deliver supplies to homes, and claims of neighbours bartering cigarettes and personal belongings for food.
“I have only received free vegetables once so far, and one package per household,” said one resident. “The price of food in the city is very high, and there is no one to regulate it. There is no take-away service for daily necessities, and the errand fee is about 100 yuan ($15) before someone takes the order.”
The strict rules have also prevented people from coming and going. Sixth Tone reported authorities had arrested several people trying to evade the blockades and return to villages without quarantining, including a man who cycled 100km (60 miles) through mountains, and another who swam across an icy river.
Authorities have conceded there have been issues, including poorly prepared centralised quarantine facilities where tens of thousands of people have been sent.
They did it.SuperJail Warden wrote:
The balls on the Chicago teachers union is legendary but good God the political choices it sometimes makes.The Omicron surge threatens to upend any sense of peace in the nation’s education system.
After a holiday break that saw Covid-19 cases spike unrelentingly, a small but growing list of districts — including Newark, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Cleveland — moved temporarily to remote learning for more than 450,000 children.
Districtwide closures, even those that last for a week or two, are a step backward after months in which classrooms largely remained open.
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And there are signs that some unions are becoming more resistant to in-person teaching. Members of the Chicago Teachers Union are preparing to vote on Tuesday on whether to refuse to report to schools starting the following day. The union, which has repeatedly clashed with Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s administration, had demanded that every student be tested for the virus before returning from winter break, a step the district did not take.
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On Monday, it became clear that the testing effort had largely failed. Of 35,590 tests recorded by the district in the week ending Saturday, 24,843 had invalid results. Among those that did produce results, 18 percent were positive.
Just have to see what happens in NYC. New mayor who vowed to keep schools open.
The kids lose again.The Chicago Teachers Union voted to teach virtually rather than in the classroom, triggering a cancellation of classes Wednesday which the school district leadership warned would happen if the union vote passed.
CPS, the third-largest school district in the country, resumed in-person learning Monday in conditions union leaders described as unsafe as the Omicron virus variant sent Covid-19 cases soaring around the country.
The union held an emergency meeting Tuesday evening to hold the vote by its delegates (elected union leaders for individual schools) on virtual teaching and then poll its 25,000 members electronically. The vote was 73% in favor of the remote-work-only job action, the union said on Twitter.
i know it is sarcasm. that's why i told him he's not the only person with vulnerable loved ones. his attempt to make everything about 'selfishness' or, worse, 'personal lifestyle', is one of the biggest weaknesses of his thinking. like jay, he can't reason on any political or social issue beyond the immediate province of the end of his own nose.SuperJail Warden wrote:
I read Dilbert's "old people will die so what" as obvious sarcasm. You guys assume the worst.
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