Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

Larssen wrote:

I expect vaccine willingness will drop the more rounds we get. I also see increasing cynicism over the pandemic response. I share the sense of a possibly neverending cycle of vaccination/booster, virus mutation and winter lockdown measures, followed by new vaccines/boosters.
Its out of the bag now, into the global wild animal population.

nothing we do will actually make a difference, we just have to hope it mutates into something less serious. We can only hope the endless rounds of vaccines will buy us that time.

Thank you China, thank you Fauci for inflicting this on us, thank you world leaders for totally botching the response.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2021-12-22 05:47:39)

Fuck Israel
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+641|3960
Everything will be fine. I am no fan of Fauci but he is serving his purpose of being the person everyone can blame and be angry at.

We can't do anymore lockdowns.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
uziq
Member
+496|3692

Larssen wrote:

I also don't see how you can't rationally conclude that the initial strategy has demonstrably failed in the face of a too quickly mutating virus and too much vaccine scepticism. A year ago the idea was that with 70-80% vaccinated society would be protected. Then delta came, and now all of Northern Europe is again in various stages of partial or full lockdown. Much like last year.

But sure, new vaccines and the covid pill will make 2023 different. Until, that is, the virus mutates unrecognisably again. Oh, but 2024 will be different for sure. Your optimism that we will science our way out is a belief not entirely validated by past and current events.
i’ve told you 3 times now that you need to write a letter to merkel’s replacement that the only way out of this is with vaccine equality. otherwise we are keeping the door open for mutations, certainly.

your pessimism is a joke considering you’re in the top 2-5% of the world who don’t have to worry about this sort of thing. you are economically protected, in good health, and have top-priority access to every vaccine or new medicine that comes around. how about instead of throwing your hands up in mock-gestures of defeat, you admit that we could be doing a whole lot better by giving the world a vaccine? significant entrenched interests within your own state apparatus and economy are actively trying to prevent that. but no, let’s moan about the inconvenience of having to take a booster every 6 months instead.

no pandemic has ever been extinguished by social controls. very few have ever been eradicated by a vaccine. the best hope ALL ALONG was that medication would become available that would turn this thing down from a lethal society-wide wrecking ball to a mild inconvenience to most. which is precisely what is happening, in the main. even the worst mutations yet have not hurt the vast majority of vaccinated people. it’s hardly a piteous failure of the pandemic as a whole because 25% of people are vaccine skeptics. let them pray to god and buy their essential oils. my life is going to continue.
uziq
Member
+496|3692

Dilbert_X wrote:

Larssen wrote:

I expect vaccine willingness will drop the more rounds we get. I also see increasing cynicism over the pandemic response. I share the sense of a possibly neverending cycle of vaccination/booster, virus mutation and winter lockdown measures, followed by new vaccines/boosters.
Its out of the bag now, into the global wild animal population.

nothing we do will actually make a difference, we just have to hope it mutates into something less serious. We can only hope the endless rounds of vaccines will buy us that time.

Thank you China, thank you Fauci for inflicting this on us, thank you world leaders for totally botching the response.
you called me ‘insane’ for promoting this prudent line all of 10 days ago. lmao. that is literally and only the situation we are dealing with now.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-22 06:57:17)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7012|PNW

Dilbert keeps flopping between "we don't really know everything for certain" and "#firefauci, chinavirus." Really don't know what to make of it.
uziq
Member
+496|3692
i don't think he even believes in any of the things he posts here on the topic. he comes here to whine and let off steam and to sally forth some invective about 'we must make china pay' or 'selfish stupid tourists', etc, then he flops off again feeling contented.

not even his own government or compatriots have the appetite anymore for indefinite lockdowns, indefinite severe restrictions on freedom, indefinitely having their relatives locked out of the country and unable to return, etc. people have tried it. in any case, whilst the pandemic is a genuinely global concern and is spreading freely globally, one country adopting such stringent measures is pointless. and the world is certainly not going back to attempting another 3-6 month global shutdown. the cat is out of the bag and we are only just beginning to perceive the immense economic ramifications of the first one.
Larssen
Member
+99|2128

uziq wrote:

Larssen wrote:

I also don't see how you can't rationally conclude that the initial strategy has demonstrably failed in the face of a too quickly mutating virus and too much vaccine scepticism. A year ago the idea was that with 70-80% vaccinated society would be protected. Then delta came, and now all of Northern Europe is again in various stages of partial or full lockdown. Much like last year.

But sure, new vaccines and the covid pill will make 2023 different. Until, that is, the virus mutates unrecognisably again. Oh, but 2024 will be different for sure. Your optimism that we will science our way out is a belief not entirely validated by past and current events.
i’ve told you 3 times now that you need to write a letter to merkel’s replacement that the only way out of this is with vaccine equality. otherwise we are keeping the door open for mutations, certainly.

your pessimism is a joke considering you’re in the top 2-5% of the world who don’t have to worry about this sort of thing. you are economically protected, in good health, and have top-priority access to every vaccine or new medicine that comes around. how about instead of throwing your hands up in mock-gestures of defeat, you admit that we could be doing a whole lot better by giving the world a vaccine? significant entrenched interests within your own state apparatus and economy are actively trying to prevent that. but no, let’s moan about the inconvenience of having to take a booster every 6 months instead.

no pandemic has ever been extinguished by social controls. very few have ever been eradicated by a vaccine. the best hope ALL ALONG was that medication would become available that would turn this thing down from a lethal society-wide wrecking ball to a mild inconvenience to most. which is precisely what is happening, in the main. even the worst mutations yet have not hurt the vast majority of vaccinated people. it’s hardly a piteous failure of the pandemic as a whole because 25% of people are vaccine skeptics. let them pray to god and buy their essential oils. my life is going to continue.
The point of the social controls was never to end the pandemic but to bring the hospitalisations and deaths beneath manageable numbers, until vaccination would be able to ensure a return to normalcy.

This has not happened.

A repeat of this attempt is not guaranteed to bring about the desired result. Particularly if vaccination numbers aren't climbing to 95%+. The patient influx into hospitals will otherwise likely be too great. Even with a fully vaccinated population, it is still possible the amount of patients will overwhelm available hospital care during winter peaks. This was already happening with Delta. Meanwhile this issue is also causing significant delays to non-covid related hospital care as well.

The elephant in the room is prioritisation of hospital care and whether or not covid patients should be put front of the que for urgent medical assistance, and if everyone should always be given medical assistance regardless of co-morbidities and vaccination status. The hospitals aren't going to make a choice, which is understandable.

As for vaccine distribution and erasing patents: great, but that isn't likely to bring about the desired result either. I've already stated to you before that lacking infrastructure is going to be the biggest roadblock. Lots of vaccines in the UN distribution program are remaining in boxes already, and these aren't nearly enough.
uziq
Member
+496|3692
vaccination has ensured a return to normalcy though, has it not? only in the most extreme of circumstances, i.e. a winter crush with a new variant and the usual pressures on health systems due to seasonal illness (to say nothing of the huge backlogs currently experienced in most elective surgeries and treatments, etc), have we had to reimpose social controls. and even then, they are much, much milder than the previous waves of lockdowns, pre-vaccine.

the vaccines have worked to a magnificent degree. to make out that 'it hasn't worked' is laughable. we are in a markedly better situation than we were before the advent of vaccines (and now antivirals, hospital steroid treatment, anticlonals, etc.) are you forgetting that, prior to a vaccine, the upper limit on serious illness and death was way, way in excess of any nation's ability to cope? hospitals and ICUs were at danger of flopping over with every single wave prior to vaccines. we are now on wave 4/5, depending on your location, and the calculus is nowhere near as severe.

This was already happening with Delta.
the data is still rather scant w/r/t omicron but Delta has undoubtedly been the most severe variant yet. to say 'already happening with Delta', with the logical inference that future waves will be just as bad, if not worse, is potentially misleading. there's nothing to say that every winter will be a repeat of a Delta-level severity covid wave. it could be easier; it could be worse: the awkward truth is that that is one of those known unknowns.

The elephant in the room is prioritisation of hospital care and whether or not covid patients should be put front of the que for urgent medical assistance, and if everyone should always be given medical assistance regardless of co-morbidities and vaccination status. The hospitals aren't going to make a choice, which is understandable.
hospitals have been making these choices throughout the entire pandemic, particularly at its early chokepoints. that's what medical triage is. i highly doubt any hospital can turn away patients because they refuse to get a vaccine, though; that is ultimately a political choice and one i indeed doubt any government will reckon with. (it's also a political choice to divert much more funding and resources towards winter chokepoints, and to bolster the supplies and staffing of our health systems in anticipation of much more demanding winters; political choices with possible winter solutions; we're in year 2.5 of the pandemic now and there's no reason that a rich western nation can't divert enough funds to create a nice ICU buffer each winter.)

if winters are going to be worse, it's not exactly hopeless. we aren't being caught unawares now in a sudden global emergency. can't germany prepare more ICU beds/wards or covid hospitals, even temporary or ad hoc facilities, during the winter, with all of its first-world wealth? these are not insuperable problems, spelling a future of perpetual doom.

Lots of vaccines in the UN distribution program are remaining in boxes already, and these aren't nearly enough.
once again, we don't need top-down schemes when multiple countries and their polities are willing to manufacture and distribute the vaccines themselves. but we don't want that, do we? you're complaining about the difficulties of a convoluted logistics process which we are the ones insisting upon. a little bit circuitous, there. many tens of millions of people (at least) could get quite easy access to the AZ/J&J vaccines, at least, if we loosened the leash on them. but we are not.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-22 10:00:21)

Larssen
Member
+99|2128
No it hasn't. It has helped. It has not delivered the desired result, as stated. In several countries WFH remained mandatory, nightlife barely resumed, and closing times of shops and services were adjusted. Belgium decided to close cinemas & theatres and indoor venues today, Germany is closing nightclubs, Portugal too, the Dutch have entered a total lockdown, and since october there have been some manner of restrictions in place mostly everywhere. It's a reasonable expectation that the UK will reinstate severe restrictions sometime soon as well.

The hospitals have not made the choice because we have chosen lockdowns instead. Triage has barely happened. Whenever that point is projected to be reached, restrictions are placed on public life.

Top-down or not top-down I really don't think you're accurately assessing the logistics & practical impossibilities of vaccinating the poorer 3 billion on this planet. The best you can hope for is some 40-50% fully vaccinated worldwide for the next few years, assuming about a year of vaccine efficacy. It will not be enough to stem infection and mutation. That said it's part of the solution.

uziq wrote:

the data is still rather scant w/r/t omicron but Delta has undoubtedly been the most severe variant yet. to say 'already happening with Delta', with the logical inference that future waves will be just as bad, if not worse, is potentially misleading. there's nothing to say that every winter will be a repeat of a Delta-level severity covid wave. it could be easier; it could be worse: the awkward truth is that that is one of those known unknowns.
Well yes that's what I'm getting at; we have no idea. Covid may stick around like the flu, and probably will. Without some breakthrough treatment I consider it entirely possible that every winter will be about the same. Public confidence in the pandemic response is dropping to pretty abysmal numbers everywhere in the meantime. There's a limit to how many times you can reimpose restrictions or force WFH conditions. There's also the societal damage these measures cause, particularly to young people.

Last edited by Larssen (2021-12-22 11:49:55)

uziq
Member
+496|3692
triage has barely happened? you must be kidding. medical systems across the world have been triaging patients and deciding who lives and who dies in each successive wave. there have been any number of reports on this. the image of 'people dying on gurneys in corridors' is precisely a consequence of triage, and happened since the very first wave in italy and continued throughout.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ … a-suggests

Risk of hospital stay 40% lower with Omicron than Delta, UK data suggests - Researchers find those who test positive with new Covid variant 15% less likely to attend hospital at all.

so omicron is, as anecdotally suggested in south africa, a milder strain than delta and even than the early covid waves.

will you stop being so fucking miserable? get your booster and carry on.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+641|3960
Teacher aide posted on Facebook that he tested positive for COVID. Fist bumped this dude when I saw him at work yesterday. He was on his way to grab food in the teacher cafe.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
+1,741|6977|Cinncinatti
I am sure you will be fine.
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7012|PNW

Found this like second, third, fourth or whatever hand while looking at virus memes.

So a few days after his wife tested positive and hosted a wedding at her venue (see my other post) my Dad tested positive and the next day they went out Christmas shopping in throngs of people.

And then he has the cognitive dissonance audacity to text me this.
https://i.imgur.com/szntgbr.png
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7012|PNW

Is there a subreddit for "am i the superspreader?"
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

uziq wrote:

you called me ‘insane’ for promoting this prudent line all of 10 days ago. lmao. that is literally and only the situation we are dealing with now.
This is the situation we're in now, it absolutely didn't need to happen.
If the Chinese, Fauci, the WHO had all been honest and done their jobs we wouldn't be here.

Now this thing is endemic and we're at its mercy, maybe by covid booster 29 it will have evolved into something more mild, or more severe, its out of our hands now.

not even his own government or compatriots have the appetite anymore for indefinite lockdowns
Everyone I speak to is fine with lockdowns when needed and all the restrictions otherwise.
We have a far-right loony christian govt now which is intent on 'giving people freedom' come what may, locally in SA pretty well all the commentary is we opened up travel to quickly and without proper planning.

once again, we don't need top-down schemes when multiple countries and their polities are willing to manufacture and distribute the vaccines themselves. but we don't want that, do we? you're complaining about the difficulties of a convoluted logistics process which we are the ones insisting upon. a little bit circuitous, there. many tens of millions of people (at least) could get quite easy access to the AZ/J&J vaccines, at least, if we loosened the leash on them. but we are not.
International logistics are not the problem, anywhere on earth is accessible within 24 hrs, top down manufacturing is by far the best option.
As explained already, distribution within third world countries is the intractable problem which local manufacture is not going to fix.

That and countries like Israel planning the fourth shot for themselves when their neighbours have had zip, and not mandating themselves past 65% vaccination which is useless.
Fuck Israel
uziq
Member
+496|3692
israel’s population is about on a level with the state of SA’s. do shut the fuck up and stop pretending that israel giving boosters (which aren’t full shots btw) is somehow depriving the billions of people in the global south who haven’t been vaccinated.

israel have consistently piloted schemes and shared their data, effectively turning their population into an extremely valuable data resource at the forefront of each wave. it has been useful to science.

israel have also been donating millions of their leftover and spare vaccines to, you guessed it, their african neighbours, whilst you sit there in first-world cocoon land talking about how ‘we’d need to build a giant rail network before we had any hope, so let’s just not bother’. why are you totally uninterested in the topic of vaccine inequality except when it lets you slam-dunk on 'the evil jews' yet again?

just recently:
https://112.international/politics/isra … 67819.html
israel, a state of 9.5 million people, just donated 2.5 million doses – 1.5 to ukraine and 1 million to africa.

some reading for you on this topic:
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter … ine-equity

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-22 23:33:02)

uziq
Member
+496|3692
This is the situation we're in now, it absolutely didn't need to happen.
If the Chinese, Fauci, the WHO had all been honest and done their jobs we wouldn't be here.
this has been your broken record skip since +1 year into this pandemic. it doesn't solve anything. who knows if we could have even contained a highly infectious respiratory illness, even if the CCP were fully compliant and cooperative? we have rehearsed this situation multiple times, now, with countries that have been perfectly open with their data, as in south africa and the omicron variant. and guess what? south africa were effectively punished for sharing their science and being open. aaaand ... we couldn't do anything to stop the spread of their new variant. not exactly encouraging.



we have been through the effective and implied timeline of early wuhan-strain covid multiple times. it's asymptomatic for over a week. even frontline medical workers wouldn't have flagged a new flu-type illness until they had identified a trend or a group. the chance of 'patient zero' or the 'leak' worker or whatever conspiracy you want to put on it being identified, isolated, and shut down, is very small. the virus originated at the hub of china's vast national logistics wheel. EVEN IF the local government had listened to their hospital staff straightaway, the chances of covid being perfectly contained to a major city which is so connected to labour/goods movement within china and beyond, is insanely optimistic.

literally your own post:
anywhere on earth is accessible within 24 hrs
but yet you keep ranting we could have stopped the spread of a highly infectious novel pathogen that is asymptomatic for at least a week. god brained thinking.

we have discussed this endlessly. could we have managed it better in the early days? could china have been more open and cooperative? absolutely. but it still would have required an unprecedented global effort to stamp this thing out, including putting the brakes on the global economy, and political leaders right across the globe/spectrum evinced a very real hesitancy to 'do the necessary' in this regard, time and time again. the trump administration, brazil's administration, etc, didn't take it seriously despite having a pretty good intelligence headstart, for instance.

Now this thing is endemic
the thing is precisely pandemic, not endemic. can you even use the basically correct terms when you pontificate on epidemiology/virology . if it was endemic there would precisely be some justification in heavy localized lockdowns. but it isn't, it's globally pandemic.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-22 23:55:09)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX
Maybe you should look up what the word means

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinic … to-endemic
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX

uziq wrote:

we have discussed this endlessly. could we have managed it better in the early days? could china have been more open and cooperative? absolutely. but it still would have required an unprecedented global effort to stamp this thing out, including putting the brakes on the global economy, and political leaders right across the globe/spectrum evinced a very real hesitancy to 'do the necessary' in this regard, time and time again. the trump administration, brazil's administration, etc, didn't take it seriously despite having a pretty good intelligence headstart, for instance.
If there had been an outbreak of anthrax next to Porton Down do you think world leaders would have said "Uh yeah, we're going to need to have a think about this, I mean, anthrax is like hard to control and shit, its really easily transmitted so there's, like, no real point in trying, I mean, people still need to be able to travel and stuff, lets not sweat this one, its going to get out sometime, might as well be now, there'll be vaccines down the track I'm sure"

Pretty sure there'd have been an 'unprecedented global effort' in that case

If we'd known a the time the Wuhan lab was working on modified coronaviruses China would have been isolated in Sept/Oct 2019.
Not a lackadaisical chaotic farce.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2021-12-23 00:43:59)

Fuck Israel
uziq
Member
+496|3692
everyone knows that covid will shift to becoming endemic, that's been the 'best case scenario' we have been talking about all along, with it cropping up during certain seasons and in certain regions more than others. because that's what endemic means.

covid-19 is not 'endemic now', as you say. it is globally pandemic. cases are rising in australia, america, korea, russia, europe, south africa ... how the fuck is that 'endemic'? endemic means limited to a particular group or locale! you fucking idiot.

from your very own link:

A pandemic is an epidemic that spreads across many countries and many continents around the world.
we have just this month seen literally the GLOBAL ascendancy of a new variant of covid-19 that started in south africa. and you're here lecturing me/us on the usage of the term 'endemic'. it's right there in the ancient greek root, dipshit: pan- and en-. go read a book, jesus christ.

An endemic virus is relatively constant in a population, with largely predictable patterns.
ah, yes, because if there's one thing covid is this winter, it's 'relatively constant'.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-23 00:46:56)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6346|eXtreme to the maX
"The word ‘endemic’ comes from the Greek endēmos, which means ‘in population’."

Its found its way into wild animal populations, it will be globally endemic in humans most likely.
Fuck Israel
uziq
Member
+496|3692

Dilbert_X wrote:

"The word ‘endemic’ comes from the Greek endēmos, which means ‘in population’."

Its found its way into wild animal populations, it will be globally endemic in humans most likely.
WTF that's not how those terms are used. what are you talking about with 'wild animal populations'? all coronaviruses mutate and hop back-and-forth between humans and animals. "endemos" as in within a certain population group, not in human populations generally. oh my god dilbert.

your use of these terms is idiosyncratic beyond all belief. might i suggest actually reading some scientific literature that deals with them commonly, rather than cherrypicking an article from the internet and proceeding to disastrously misread it?

covid-19 is currently globally pandemic. outbreaks of winter flu in the northern hemisphere are endemic. going on about 'wild animal populations' makes you sound bizarre. i literally have no fucking idea what relevance it has.

globally endemic
this is literally a nonsense phrase. when something is 'global', it is pandemic. that's what 'pan' means. global.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-23 00:56:42)

uziq
Member
+496|3692

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

we have discussed this endlessly. could we have managed it better in the early days? could china have been more open and cooperative? absolutely. but it still would have required an unprecedented global effort to stamp this thing out, including putting the brakes on the global economy, and political leaders right across the globe/spectrum evinced a very real hesitancy to 'do the necessary' in this regard, time and time again. the trump administration, brazil's administration, etc, didn't take it seriously despite having a pretty good intelligence headstart, for instance.
If there had been an outbreak of anthrax next to Porton Down do you think world leaders would have said "Uh yeah, we're going to need to have a think about this, I mean, anthrax is like hard to control and shit, its really easily transmitted so there's, like, no real point in trying, I mean, people still need to be able to travel and stuff, lets not sweat this one, its going to get out sometime, might as well be now, there'll be vaccines down the track I'm sure"

Pretty sure there'd have been an 'unprecedented global effort' in that case

If we'd known a the time the Wuhan lab was working on modified coronaviruses China would have been isolated in Sept/Oct 2019.
Not a lackadaisical chaotic farce.
another amazingly bad analogy. anthrax is not covid, doesn't spread like covid, isn't invisible and asymptomatic like covid.

the simple fact is that even with the best-faith and best course of behaviour in the world from the CCP or medical authorities, the first outbreak of covid-19 into the general population would have been untraceable and asymptomatic for 7-15 days. we would have been dealing with an international-level incident by default, not something easily localizable to a wet market or a city in china which could be isolated and stamped out.

if the whole world had pivoted to a 'sars' scenario with a response proportional to, say, a taiwan or korea, then we could probably have defanged this thing and dealt with it. but the vast majority of the world were not ready to pivot to a state-of-emergency and to throw huge amounts of public funding and resources into covid in the early stages of the pandemic, as well-seasoned taiwan/korea were. european nations, the USA, and many other governments besides seriously dragged their feet. and that WASN'T only because of bad intelligence coming from china. it's because the global economy and status quo have a terrible amount of inertia behind them when it comes to this sort of thing.

look at the sheer number of western governments who had extensive pandemic planning, modelling, reports, etc, ready and waiting for this eventuality, and then didn't follow them at all. that's not china's fault. it's because governments were genuinely hesitant to invest the huge amount of economic and political capital necessary into the early stages of this thing.

If we'd known a the time the Wuhan lab was working on modified coronaviruses China would have been isolated in Sept/Oct 2019.
ehm, we DID know. it wasn't top-secret research. it was publicly funded by one of america's main scientific funding bodies, not a pentagon black project.

and seeing as this wasn't even an identified outbreak in china's frontline hospitals until november-december 2019, i sincerely doubt we could have 'isolated china in september 2019'.

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-23 01:22:49)

uziq
Member
+496|3692
we are 2.5 years into hearing you moan and pontificate on covid-19 as if all the experts are wrong, all governments are stupid, and you see the way through ... and yet we have to clarify the difference, in epidemiological-speak, between an 'endemic' and 'pandemic' disease? are you fucking serious, dilbert? i am dumbfounded by these unexpected turns of very-low-intelligence behaviour from you. even i'm surprised by this one.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/epidemic-vs-pandemic/

Compared to an epidemic disease, a pandemic disease is an epidemic that has spread over a large area, that is, it’s “prevalent throughout an entire country, continent, or the whole world.”

Pandemic is also used as a noun, meaning “a pandemic disease.” The WHO more specifically defines a pandemic as “a worldwide spread of a new disease.” On March 11, the WHO officially declared the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic due to the global spread and severity of the disease.

While pandemic can be used for a disease that has spread across an entire country or other large landmass, the word is generally reserved for diseases that have spread across continents or the entire world.
Endemic is an adjective that means natural to, native to, confined to, or widespread within a place or population of people.

Endemic is perhaps most commonly used to describe a disease that is prevalent in or restricted to a particular location, region, or population. For example, malaria is said to be endemic to tropical regions. In this context, it can also be used as a noun: an endemic disease can simply be called an endemic.

When used to describe species of plants or animals that are found only within a specific place, it has the same meaning as native or indigenous, as in This plant is endemic to this region.
from the above it is patently clear that covid-19 is still a GLOBAL PANDEMIC and is not 'endemic' to any one place or group in contrast to another, putatively covid-free region.

you misunderstanding the use of the greek term for 'in population' is just so funny.  it has nothing to do with human populations and wild animal populations. 'en-demic' just means limited to a given population. the whole reason for the term's existence in epidemiology is to contradistinguish it between something that isn't limited to a given population, i.e. that which is pandemic. that's why we have these two alternative terms for discussing an epidemic of disease: one that is endemic, 'WITHIN' a population, and one that is pandemic, 'WITHOUT', if you will, that is, general, global, universal.

that this has to be explained to you is honestly staggering. you're going on about it being 'out there in wild animal populations now, so therefore it's endemic', as if what decides the classification of an endemic disease is the point we notice it in pigeons or mink or bats or something ... wtf are you even talking about? you absolute fucking lunatic

Last edited by uziq (2021-12-23 01:04:06)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7012|PNW

It makes people feel better having a scapegoat. China, Fauci, superweapons that were definitely intentionally leaked to preface World War 3 so the antichrist can come into power. Wuhan-400, Koontz is a modern day prophet!

Turning your gaze inward for a more holistic criticism of the western response to the coronavirus is tedious, nobody has time for that.

Board footer

Privacy Policy - © 2024 Jeff Minard