-home quarantine
-asked to voluntarily comply with
-asked to voluntarily comply with
^ Thats once they're here and if they're requested to take a test for some public health issue
At that time everyone was on home quarantine
From 1 November 2021, fully vaccinated foreign diplomats, consular officials, and their dependants holding subclass 995 visas arriving from overseas into NSW and Victoria no longer need to quarantine on their arrival. Fully vaccinated Canberra-based diplomats who arrive into NSW or Victoria will also not be required to quarantine on arrival.
To be recognised as fully vaccinated, the diplomat/dependant will need to have received a full course of immunisation using a vaccine approved or recognised by Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA). Current approved or recognised vaccines and dosages are:
Two doses at least 14 days apart of:
AstraZeneca Vaxzevria
AstraZeneca COVISHIELD
Pfizer/Biontech Comirnaty
Modern Spikevax
Sinovac Coronavac
Bharat (Covaxin)
Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV)
One dose of:
Janssen-Cilag COVID Vaccine
The TGA is continuing to evaluate other COVID-19 vaccines that may be recognised for the purposes of inbound travel to Australia in the future, so this list may change.
The diplomat/dependant must carry a copy of their COVID-19 vaccination certificate when entering Australia (airlines will ask to see it at check-in).
16.2 Fully vaccinated diplomats and their dependants arriving in other states and territories
Diplomats and their dependants intending to arrive at other ports (in South Australia, Queensland, Western Australia, Northern Territory) will still be required to undertake a period of quarantine on arrival until advised otherwise, even if they are fully vaccinated. These restrictions are expected to ease as vaccination rates increase in those States and Territories.
16.4 Unvaccinated diplomats and their dependants arriving at any Australian port
After 1 November, the current quarantine requirements will continue for diplomats and their dependants who are not vaccinated, or who have been vaccinated using vaccines that have not been approved or recognised by the TGA. These travellers will still be required to undertake quarantine on arrival in Australia. The duration of quarantine will be 14 days unless specified otherwise.
16.10 Pre-arrival testing
Travellers (including diplomats and their dependants) must undertake a COVID-19 test (PCR test) and receive a negative test result 3 days* before travelling to Australia.
This applies to all travellers five years of age or older, even those who are fully vaccinated.
The test must be done 3 days prior to departure.
The diplomat/dependant must present a negative result when checking in prior to boarding their flight. Test results must be provided in English.
If transiting through a third country on the way to Australia, you should check on any local requirements at your transit destination and follow the advice of local authorities on social distancing and mask wearing while in transit.
If a diplomat/dependant or any member of their travelling group tests positive, they will not be permitted to travel to Australia.
Exemptions to this requirement will only be applied in extenuating circumstances such as where there is no access to testing.
Any diplomat/dependant who has a negative test result and enters Australia must still complete mandatory quarantine if they are not fully vaccinated.
Seems pretty fucking clear they can't just waltz in without declaring their vaccine status, test status and avoid quarantine.
At that time everyone was on home quarantine
16.1 Fully vaccinated diplomats and their dependants arriving in NSW and VictoriaLarssen wrote:
Wait until you find out that people travelling on diplomatic passports do not need to be vaccinated or tested and they circumvent closed airspaces. Diplomatic immunity and all
From 1 November 2021, fully vaccinated foreign diplomats, consular officials, and their dependants holding subclass 995 visas arriving from overseas into NSW and Victoria no longer need to quarantine on their arrival. Fully vaccinated Canberra-based diplomats who arrive into NSW or Victoria will also not be required to quarantine on arrival.
To be recognised as fully vaccinated, the diplomat/dependant will need to have received a full course of immunisation using a vaccine approved or recognised by Australia’s Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA). Current approved or recognised vaccines and dosages are:
Two doses at least 14 days apart of:
AstraZeneca Vaxzevria
AstraZeneca COVISHIELD
Pfizer/Biontech Comirnaty
Modern Spikevax
Sinovac Coronavac
Bharat (Covaxin)
Sinopharm (BBIBP-CorV)
One dose of:
Janssen-Cilag COVID Vaccine
The TGA is continuing to evaluate other COVID-19 vaccines that may be recognised for the purposes of inbound travel to Australia in the future, so this list may change.
The diplomat/dependant must carry a copy of their COVID-19 vaccination certificate when entering Australia (airlines will ask to see it at check-in).
16.2 Fully vaccinated diplomats and their dependants arriving in other states and territories
Diplomats and their dependants intending to arrive at other ports (in South Australia, Queensland, Western Australia, Northern Territory) will still be required to undertake a period of quarantine on arrival until advised otherwise, even if they are fully vaccinated. These restrictions are expected to ease as vaccination rates increase in those States and Territories.
16.4 Unvaccinated diplomats and their dependants arriving at any Australian port
After 1 November, the current quarantine requirements will continue for diplomats and their dependants who are not vaccinated, or who have been vaccinated using vaccines that have not been approved or recognised by the TGA. These travellers will still be required to undertake quarantine on arrival in Australia. The duration of quarantine will be 14 days unless specified otherwise.
16.10 Pre-arrival testing
Travellers (including diplomats and their dependants) must undertake a COVID-19 test (PCR test) and receive a negative test result 3 days* before travelling to Australia.
This applies to all travellers five years of age or older, even those who are fully vaccinated.
The test must be done 3 days prior to departure.
The diplomat/dependant must present a negative result when checking in prior to boarding their flight. Test results must be provided in English.
If transiting through a third country on the way to Australia, you should check on any local requirements at your transit destination and follow the advice of local authorities on social distancing and mask wearing while in transit.
If a diplomat/dependant or any member of their travelling group tests positive, they will not be permitted to travel to Australia.
Exemptions to this requirement will only be applied in extenuating circumstances such as where there is no access to testing.
Any diplomat/dependant who has a negative test result and enters Australia must still complete mandatory quarantine if they are not fully vaccinated.
Seems pretty fucking clear they can't just waltz in without declaring their vaccine status, test status and avoid quarantine.
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letting nationals quarantine at home was consistently the way that korea let covid strains in. both delta variant and formerly the U.K. variant got in that way. short-term tourists and visa holders had hotel quarantine; citizens got to rest at home (with family and in shared accommodation). seems like a dumb own-goal.
i have no problem with quarantine measures. they work. but they are not absolute or watertight. as we have seen countless times with delta, there will always be exceptional cases, and 1 lone individual can unknowingly (as in, passed multiple tests and without symptoms) kick off a cluster. none of this is a perfect or exact science and there will always be someone who incubates the virus +7 days plus it’s average window, or who gives a false negative on his PCR.
i have no problem with quarantine measures. they work. but they are not absolute or watertight. as we have seen countless times with delta, there will always be exceptional cases, and 1 lone individual can unknowingly (as in, passed multiple tests and without symptoms) kick off a cluster. none of this is a perfect or exact science and there will always be someone who incubates the virus +7 days plus it’s average window, or who gives a false negative on his PCR.
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You're still skipping over the home quarantine dilbert. Granted, australia seems about as strict on China in this issue because work-related diplomatic travel has exemptions all over the world. You can't reasonably demand these people to always quarantine for 14 days if they're there for a short visit. Still, even in Aus as you can see they're allowed free movement after checking in, as is required for diplomatic personnel
Did you see the news report about 13 people on an Amsterdam bound flight testing positive for omicron? They tested negative before boarding.
Point is you can't shutdown airspace entirely, it won't happen. Even if it's strictly only cargo planes there's still a crew in there too who will enter your society.
Did you see the news report about 13 people on an Amsterdam bound flight testing positive for omicron? They tested negative before boarding.
Point is you can't shutdown airspace entirely, it won't happen. Even if it's strictly only cargo planes there's still a crew in there too who will enter your society.
right so the governor of NSW is a nut ball.Dilbert_X wrote:
If its inevitable why are countries shutting the borders - seems strange.
I've said already Perrottet is a nutball, he wants no restrictions and to let covid rip. Didn't the UK try that?
With a dramatic crimp on travel and sensible quarantine on those who actually need to travel we could contain these new variants.
'Its all inevitable' is a pathetic public health response.
melbourne’s 250-day lockdown failed because they’re incompetent.
new zealand abandoned zero covid because of a lack of technocracy, or a surplus of humanitarianism, or something.
noticing a pattern yet? everyone else is doing it wrong but Dilbert Knows Best.
there’s literally no way to keep a highly infectious strain out forever. by all means, use draconian lockdowns and total border closures if you’re going to buy time, vaxx up, apply updated boosters, etc. it’s perhaps justifiable for the 2-3 months it takes to organise those efforts. but to try and keep it out COMPLETELY? for what? one day, eventually, even a low-pop island nation in the far antipodes is going to have to interact with the rest of the world again. and total suppression just isn’t an available or worthwhile strategy for most of said world.
No I didn't, everyone can home quarantine at this point.Larssen wrote:
You're still skipping over the home quarantine dilbert.
Erm yes we can.You can't reasonably demand these people to always quarantine for 14 days if they're there for a short visit.
If they're fully vaccinated and return a negative test, just like everyone else who is fully vaccinated and returns a negative test.Still, even in Aus as you can see they're allowed free movement after checking in, as is required for diplomatic personnel
Just like Indians testing negative on boarding and positive on arrival you can bet money changed hands somewhere. Aus shut that one down promptly.Did you see the news report about 13 people on an Amsterdam bound flight testing positive for omicron? They tested negative before boarding.
Or they can stay in the airport hotel under quarantine, a whole lot safer than allowing 300+ people into the community.Point is you can't shutdown airspace entirely, it won't happen. Even if it's strictly only cargo planes there's still a crew in there too who will enter your society.
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Dilbert if, say, an intelligence officer is flying somewhere (they do so under diplomatic cover usually) because of acute international security issues, he can't wait in a quarantine hotel for 14 days - to name one example. The exemptions are still possible, will still be granted, and could lead to infections.
Imagine the mind numbing depression of a cargo pilot who's only ever allowed to go in and out quarantine hotels
Imagine the mind numbing depression of a cargo pilot who's only ever allowed to go in and out quarantine hotels
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Yes, he's an unelected far-right Trump admiring member of Opus Dei with six kids who doesn't follow the advice of his own health advisers on covid and voted against requiring priests to turn in paedophiles if they confessed to child abuse.uziq wrote:
right so the governor of NSW is a nut ball.
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They can apply to the govt for an exemption, there's no blanket right.Larssen wrote:
Dilbert if, say, an intelligence officer is flying somewhere (they do so under diplomatic cover usually) because of acute international security issues, he can't wait in a quarantine hotel for 14 days - to name one example. The exemptions are still possible, will still be granted, and could lead to infections.
When the PM returned from COP26 he did 14 days quarantine.
Imagine the mind-numbing depression of a nurse pulling a tube out of someone's throat and sending them to the morgue then informing the family because some moron wanted to party.Imagine the mind numbing depression of a cargo pilot who's only ever allowed to go in and out quarantine hotels
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you're not going to be able to explain to him, larssen, that people need to travel out of higher necessities and exigencies than 'gawping at elephants', 'sunbathing on a beach' or 'taking drugs and partying'. it's beyond his imagination.
and a stopped clock is right twice a day. what about the other world governments i highlighted?Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, he's an unelected far-right Trump admiring member of Opus Dei with six kids who doesn't follow the advice of his own health advisers on covid and voted against requiring priests to turn in paedophiles if they confessed to child abuse.uziq wrote:
right so the governor of NSW is a nut ball.
isn't it a bit odd that you're no longer mentioning NZ, who did maintain utmost quarantine standards and semi-closed borders forever, as you adverted for, but ... still singularly failed to contain delta?
isn't it more than a bit odd (a bit funny, in fact, i'd say), that israel are now your darling case study. an, ahem, to quote your words, 'science-led world leading country'? after all you've said about israel being a theocratic medieval mumbo-jumbo death cult, now they're models of probity and scientific leadership? it's too fucking hilarious. you're tying yourself into a balloon puppet over there.
Dilbert_X wrote:
Imagine the mind-numbing depression of a nurse pulling a tube out of someone's throat and sending them to the morgue then informing the family because some moron wanted to party.
Australia is doomed dilbert
you really need to look into some of the case studies and cluster histories of covid cases that have leaked from quarantines. it's not all 'shady untrustworthy indians' and 'money changing hands'. a guy in china took delta into the country after doing a 3-week quarantine, one of the longest in the world, and after having taken something like 5-6 PCR tests in that period. we're not dealing with a simple cake in the oven here with precise timings. designing a completely perfect, watertight quarantine system is nigh-on impossible.If they're fully vaccinated and return a negative test, just like everyone else who is fully vaccinated and returns a negative test
It's worth juxtaposing Dilbert's convictions with how Delta entered Australia:
https://www.cnet.com/features/how-the-d … -fortress/The first case drove limousines. The man, in his 60s, ferried international airline crews from Sydney Airport to hotel rooms, where they quarantined before jetting off on their next flight. While transporting one of these crews — possibly three people from a FedEx freight plane — the driver unwittingly came in contact with the coronavirus. He had not been vaccinated.
On June 16, he tested positive for COVID-19. The virus had invaded his lungs several days earlier. Genetic testing showed the strain he harbored was unlike any previously seen in Australia: the delta variant, which had ravaged India during the opening months of 2021 and was rapidly becoming the dominant strain across the world.
Within hours of testing positive, the driver's wife had also returned a positive test. One positive became two. This was expected. Delta is highly transmissible. Close contact with infected individuals carrying the variant all but ensures the virus will hop between human hosts.
While unknowingly infectious, the man had visited a large shopping mall within walking distance of Sydney's famous Bondi Beach, as well as a nearby cafe. Contact tracers, who had so effectively helped to arrest Australia's first wave, began to ring alarm bells.
In these bustling locations, delta found its chance to slip through Australia's defenses. The island nation had long been held up as a pandemic success story, keeping the virus at bay with some of the strictest preventive measures in the world. Those measures had quashed outbreaks or outright prevented them, allowing the country to live relatively free and open while the virus raged overseas.
same thing in new zealand. their untraceable cluster originated with one person.
but, okay, all we need is to give all control over to technocrats with engineering degrees. they will devise a system that never lets a single virus-carrying individual or virus-contaminated surface into the country, ever. engineers are well-known for working in perfect absolutes and never compromising their systems to within acceptable tolerances.
but, okay, all we need is to give all control over to technocrats with engineering degrees. they will devise a system that never lets a single virus-carrying individual or virus-contaminated surface into the country, ever. engineers are well-known for working in perfect absolutes and never compromising their systems to within acceptable tolerances.
The interviewer is the most annoying part of that video. What a self-righteous delivery. Yeah, keep those shades on buddy. Screw the system!Larssen wrote:
[Youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=968yNvFiVH0&feature=youtu.be[/url]Dilbert_X wrote:
Imagine the mind-numbing depression of a nurse pulling a tube out of someone's throat and sending them to the morgue then informing the family because some moron wanted to party.
Australia is doomed dilbert
Did the court order him to make a public apology or something? Did it have to be through the news?
i don't know how many times i have to highlight this data to you, but: the only people who get seriously ill from even the delta variant are the unvaccinated and unboostered.Dilbert_X wrote:
Imagine the mind-numbing depression of a nurse pulling a tube out of someone's throat and sending them to the morgue then informing the family because some moron wanted to party.
as you're so fond of saying: 'why should someone die because you want to go look at a beach?'
well, why should global trade, civil society, children's educations, the freedom and wellbeing of society-at-large, etc, have to shelter inside for 4 months of every year because 20% of the population are too fucking retarded to take a vaccine?
vaccines work.
dune is sci-fi.
clean your room young man!
Er no, fully vaccinated people are still dying.uziq wrote:
i don't know how many times i have to highlight this data to you, but: the only people who get seriously ill from even the delta variant are the unvaccinated and unboostered.
About 10% can't take a vaccine or it would make no difference.uziq wrote:
well, why should global trade, civil society, children's educations, the freedom and wellbeing of society-at-large, etc, have to shelter inside for 4 months of every year because 20% of the population are too fucking retarded to take a vaccine?
Should 10% of the population risk death just so people like you can gawp at stuff?
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'fully vaccinated' needs context. those with a booster recently? no. mRNA boosters especially still provide excellent short-term protection to delta..
read some studies, check some results. you are talking actual bullshit.
anyone who had a booster this winter is extremely, extremely unlikely to die from covid. it's that simple.
seeing as one of those 10% is a very close relative of mine, i think i have quite an intimate understanding of your quandary, dilbert. and, yes, i don't think it's reasonable for the entire global system to shut down for the sake of the critically vulnerable or vaccine averse.
read some studies, check some results. you are talking actual bullshit.
anyone who had a booster this winter is extremely, extremely unlikely to die from covid. it's that simple.
seeing as one of those 10% is a very close relative of mine, i think i have quite an intimate understanding of your quandary, dilbert. and, yes, i don't think it's reasonable for the entire global system to shut down for the sake of the critically vulnerable or vaccine averse.
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So we are going to need boosters every three months to survive, great.
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well done at not being able to read a simple graph.
if you're not clinically extremely vulnerable, your booster will last pretty much effortlessly for at least 5 months. mRNA especially shows no drop off.
if you're extremely clinically vulnerable, sure, you might need regular top-ups ... in your ICU or dementia home.
might i add that we are designing better vaccines all the time? the above infographic applies to ordinary first-gen vaccines/boosters.
even if omicron went global (and postal), in 4-6 months moderna/pfizer and co. could conceivably have a 'v2 vaccine' ready, custom-designed.
isn't it amazing how data fills out a picture where all you do is bullshit and sensationalize?
if you had a booster shot this winter, i.e. OCTOBER or NOVEMBER, the chances of dying to delta are INFINITISIMAL. in which case, you better watch the fuck out for flu ... common cold ... a heart attack ... christ! watch out man! don't you know there's a 0.5% of dying this winter?!? best not leave the house at all, now i think about it.
if you're not clinically extremely vulnerable, your booster will last pretty much effortlessly for at least 5 months. mRNA especially shows no drop off.
if you're extremely clinically vulnerable, sure, you might need regular top-ups ... in your ICU or dementia home.
might i add that we are designing better vaccines all the time? the above infographic applies to ordinary first-gen vaccines/boosters.
even if omicron went global (and postal), in 4-6 months moderna/pfizer and co. could conceivably have a 'v2 vaccine' ready, custom-designed.
isn't it amazing how data fills out a picture where all you do is bullshit and sensationalize?
if you had a booster shot this winter, i.e. OCTOBER or NOVEMBER, the chances of dying to delta are INFINITISIMAL. in which case, you better watch the fuck out for flu ... common cold ... a heart attack ... christ! watch out man! don't you know there's a 0.5% of dying this winter?!? best not leave the house at all, now i think about it.
OK five months, wow what a difference
Still doesn't take account of new variants which may need a different vaccine, so we're back to three months if we're lucky.
Still doesn't take account of new variants which may need a different vaccine, so we're back to three months if we're lucky.
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2021-11-30 17:34:56)
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I guess they could, you know, make a phone call, or send an email, or hold a teleconferenceLarssen wrote:
Dilbert if, say, an intelligence officer is flying somewhere (they do so under diplomatic cover usually) because of acute international security issues, he can't wait in a quarantine hotel for 14 days - to name one example.
Incredibly all this Buck Rogers technology does now exist, egotists don't actually need to spend 24hrs travelling for a 30 min meeting any more.
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You get a flu shot once a year.Dilbert_X wrote:
OK five months, wow what a difference
Still doesn't take account of new variants which may need a different vaccine, so we're back to three months if we're lucky.
Is COVID just the flu?
Covid is just the flu, we established that 320 pages ago.
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