here we go again. compare covid to leprosy (general in the world population for 2000+ years) or the black plague (ravaged europe in continuous waves for 300 years) yet again. 'medieval containment just worked in the past!'
comparing viruses is really stupid. each one is different. covid-19 is a highly transmissible, long-incubating, fairly long-lasting respiratory illness, not a contact-transmitted skin affliction or a rapidly killing ebola-type virus.
how do you really suppose we could have nipped covid in the bud in wuhan? are you quite ignorant of even the basics of the disease at this point in your rant-fogged, myopic little mind?
covid has an asymptomatic incubation period of up to 14 days. during this time, it is literally supercycling within the host's body and replicating itself millions of times. during the latter half of this window, and before the patient becomes seriously ill (~2-3 weeks into the infection, at its 'peak'), the host starts shedding these virus copies, with every single exhaled breath, with every wipe of the hand, with every cough or sneeze or yawn.
so 'patient zero' in wuhan was walking around a densely populated city for potentially 2 weeks without even a sign they were spreading. that's wuhan: one of the major international logistics hubs anywhere in the world, not the hinterlands of the ivory coast in a small tribal community. wuhan.
in addition, upon falling seriously ill and entry to hospital, it's not like every frontline dr. in the world sends off their seriously ill patients for testing and genomic sequencing. old person presents with flu-like symptoms in the dead of winter? old person dies of pneumonia on a hospital ward? yeah, the first wave of covid patients were likely being triaged as flu or flu-like illness (many european states' noted post-mortem that a lot of their dead in the first winter actually died of covid but it wasn't suspected as such; that's because hospitals don't do deep analysis on every person who is sick with a respiratory illness in winter, duh). even the most wary and perspicacious frontline doctors couldn't have just snapped their fingers and gotten their patients a fast-pass through the virological establishment. these things take trends and serious numbers before the organisational-bureaucratic weight of the medical system shifts. that's just practical human reality. people turn up at hospitals with flu-like symptoms every winter and we, naturally, assume they have flu.
before this global pandemic shifted the world on its axis, could you have imagined the response if a doctor had said to his national government, 'we need to ground all international flights and completely seal off this city of 12 million people. shutter all its businesses immediately. i've just had a first patient come into the hospital with a nasty flu-like illness!' it was only when the picture started to become overwhelmingly clear that this thing was much, much worse than flu did people rightfully raise the alarm. but patient zero? even patient 25? no way.
so essentially for the first 2 weeks to a month, covid was free to spread. that's just by its design, based on the basics of its incubation period and infectivity window alone. it had probably left wuhan – again, an extremely busy logistics hub – before even the first death. it was out there.
(i'm not denying that china prevaricated and downright lied about the picture when it did draw their attention, particularly in demurring to the WHO about human-to-human transmission. they undoubtedly put the world back weeks, if not months, in its ability to meaningfully respond and enter crisis mode. but covid had been spreading for weeks before even the big bad evil CCP started mishandling it.)
this fantasy of total control really tickles me. you say i am someone 'who needs to be told what to do by someone else'. meanwhile you advocate for the most totalitarian measures possible, all but throwing your hands up in the air and begging for the leaders/technocrats/god knows what magicians to exert total control over a situation and 'just fix it!!!' china is the world's most authoritarian state and, by far, the most technologically advanced so far as surveillance, tracking, and particularly biometrics go. they have ooodles of data on their citizens which go far beyond anything imaginable in a western, liberty- and privacy-conscious framework. every single apartment block in china is basically biometrically mapped out, apartment by apartment, with everything pooled on local party databases. china has tried to wage a 'zero covid' war for the last 2 years – and has failed utterly.
china, the most sophisticated surveillance state in the history of mankind, has been unable to eradicate covid. and yet here you are, still seriously pretending that humanity could have kept this thing bottled. it's just funny to me. it's more symptomatic of your own psychology and state of mind, if anything, this constant wringing of hands and ranting about 'what could have been done' and 'we just need total measures'. you're a little lickspittle fascist baby.
Last edited by uziq (2021-11-25 17:24:43)