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unnamednewbie13
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Don't lecture me, I know what "first detected in" implies and what it doesn't. You, on the other hand, are a vaccine skeptic.
uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Covid came from China you dunce.
i'm talking about the delta variant you fucking moron, i.e. that which we have been referring to for the last 20 pages as being, importantly, UNCONTAINABLE by both china and new zealand.

china had closed borders when delta first appeared on the scene. not many indian tourists jetting off to their friendly neighbours' industrial cities. and yet there have been several delta outbreaks there. with 'closed borders'.

the first apparently came from russia, and was transmitted via airport cleaners. you know, surface contact, an ever-present danger with highly transmissible variants.

According to CNN, routine testing revealed SARS-CoV-2 infections in nine airport cleaners. Since then, at least 26 cities across China have reported cases of this variant.
china has persistently had some of the tightest border controls and city-wide/region-wide lockdowns of any country on earth. and yet delta has totally confounded them – the most surveillance-heavy, technocratic, privacy-denying country on earth. should be no problem to keep it out, eh? 'just close the borders'. LMAO.

'just design better quarantine systems', says dilbert, that'll do it.

China is experiencing yet another Covid-19 outbreak caused by the delta variant, with dozens of infections detected in the southeastern province of Fujian less than a month after the nation’s last flare-up was contained.

The cluster was detected thanks to routine testing in local schools, where two students tested positive on Friday. Their father, who returned from Singapore in early August, was also found to have been infected. Officials believe he is the likely source of the latest outbreak in the region, a manufacturing hub for sneakers, clothing and electronic components, which now stretches to more than 60 people in three cities.

The man did three weeks of quarantine and took 10 tests with no signs of infection before returning to the community, underscoring how difficult it can be to identify every case. China’s so-called Covid Zero policy relies on aggressive testing and contact tracing to quickly spot and isolate the pathogen anytime it penetrates the world’s second-largest economy.
wowsers!!!!! are you getting the picture yet, genius engineer? it's almost like exactly as i've said ... and people and goods must move around the global system of trade and commerce! these aren't tourists or gawpers triggering events. they are 'essential workers', pivotal to keeping the current globalised economy running.

dilbert: buys shoes internationally.
also dilbert: shut down the world system! it'll be no problem! that idiot worker, who travelled to a hub for shoe manufacturing, spent 3 weeks in quarantine and took 10 tests, was selfish! their system sucked, that's all!
... also dilbert: welp why aren't my international shipments coming fast enough?!?

Last edited by uziq (2021-11-03 00:26:11)

uziq
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 … l-suggests

so now we have two types of antiviral pill which are highly effective.

we have 4+ vaccines which are highly effective.

in both cases, pill and vaccine, we are doing significantly better than we ever fared in our battle against influenza.

maybe it’s … going to be ok? don’t tell dilbert about actual scientific results though. he prefers to be miserable on the world’s behalf.
SuperJail Warden
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I have been saying for a little while that we have the tools we need to start to return to normal. Don't want to beat that drum too much because you end up looking like a fool when you are 31 years old and having to make peace with your maker before they put you on a ventilator.

That said, we should keep some of the practices we developed during this period and it wouldn't hurt if the Federal government threw some more money at public health. If I am ever on public transportation, I am wearing a facemask. Maybe going to the store too or waiting in the food line with strangers. Food service workers should wear mask though we should bump their pay for the trouble. Having hand sanitizer stations in businesses should be required the same way wheelchair accessibility is just a part of doing business. Workers shouldn't be guilt tripped for taking a sick day. Etc.
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SuperJail Warden
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How does it feel to live through the most globally significant event since the end of World War 2? 5 million global deaths in 2 years is about a quarter the way through the 20 million World War 1 did in in 4 years.
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Larssen
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not nearly the same order of magnitude imo. Different age groups impacted, % of the population, segments of the population, geographic concentration of deaths etc.

Still yes it is the globally most significant event in a long time and I think I'd be speaking for most people by saying that it felt fucking boring and tedious most of the time. Unless you caught it and ended up in a hospital that is.

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unnamednewbie13
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I too think restaurant workers should be paid more, and not hinging on the "inconveniences" of masks. Stuff like masks, gloves, and hairnets should be relatively common. If some people wear that while building computers, they can very well wear that while making soup. I'd like even less for cough spatter and loose hairs to end up in my food than in the guts of a PC.

If restaurants can afford to pay more and are required by law to do so, there's your solution. Drastically reduce fees associated with restaurant ownership and operation below a certain bracket. The industry has been hard hit these past two years and some places are barely hanging on.
SuperJail Warden
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"Anti-maskers assault a small business store owner, then calls the cops"
Almost +100,000 upvotes
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uziq
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it's interesting thinking what globally significant events our cohort has lived through. it dates us and reveals our own ideological presumptions, i guess.

i would say the top 3 most significant things we have lived through are 9/11, the GFC, and the covid-19 pandemic.

i wonder if the slightly older folks like dilbert regard the falklands or gulf wars on the same order of importance as 9/11 and all that followed.

what globally significant events lie in the future, outside of unexpected natural disasters, etc? probably large-scale confllict between india-pakistan or china-taiwan. in the former case china and the world superpowers would very quickly be drawn into a south asian conflict; the stakes for the latter already seem pretty plain. even if we bow down from a military conflict with china, it'll really signal the start of a new geopolitical age/order.

of course there's probably huge things, famines, civil wars, etc, happening in africa right now that even your average conscientious liberal isn't fully attuned to. and i wonder if any recent political realignments or changes in latin america will be majorly circumstantial. brazil could descend into total chaos, which is no small thing for one of the world's most populous democracies.

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unnamednewbie13
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Getting rid of Bolsonaro is just one step. Brazil has to deal with his appointees too. As with Trump, much lasting damage done by his presidency.
Larssen
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Considering climate change, civil wars throughout north africa/the sahel and political or even military conflict over the arctic are immediate possibilities.
SuperJail Warden
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Another covid surge is about to hit the U.S. The NYT daily tracker is down to -3% growth. I have seen this happen half a dozen times now. It slows down for awhile and then surges up again.

Get your booster.
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

it's interesting thinking what globally significant events our cohort has lived through. it dates us and reveals our own ideological presumptions, i guess.

i would say the top 3 most significant things we have lived through are 9/11, the GFC, and the covid-19 pandemic.

i wonder if the slightly older folks like dilbert regard the falklands or gulf wars on the same order of importance as 9/11 and all that followed.

what globally significant events lie in the future, outside of unexpected natural disasters, etc? probably large-scale confllict between india-pakistan or china-taiwan. in the former case china and the world superpowers would very quickly be drawn into a south asian conflict; the stakes for the latter already seem pretty plain. even if we bow down from a military conflict with china, it'll really signal the start of a new geopolitical age/order.

of course there's probably huge things, famines, civil wars, etc, happening in africa right now that even your average conscientious liberal isn't fully attuned to. and i wonder if any recent political realignments or changes in latin america will be majorly circumstantial. brazil could descend into total chaos, which is no small thing for one of the world's most populous democracies.
Um well in short:

Living through the cold war and the IRA bombing campaigns were probably the two significant character forming events.
It sounds weird now but nuclear annihilation was a real threat and was on people's minds up to perestroika in 1985, some escalation or an obscure transistor burning out could have blown up the world.

IRA setting off bombs around the place was at least as nasty as the AQ campaign in Britain. When the SAS shot a bunch of IRA in Gibraltar a collective 'fuck yeah' echoed around the country, even Private Eye didn't give a shit.

https://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/covers/full/698_big.jpg

Falklands was a biggish deal, more about national pride than anything.

Gulf War I seemed like the right thing at the time, and was barely a skirmish really.

Live Aid was a fairly big deal, but Ethiopia has been in civil war and famine ever since so nothing was really achieved.

The deliberate disintegration of the Arab world is a bigger deal than people really realise, the global system is fragile and the rest of the world could go with it.
I think we could see the end of some govts we don't expect, Saudi Arabia and Qatar for example.

China is a clear problem for Australia, Emperor Xi is obviously determined to change history in his lifetime so something is going to happen and its not going to be good. Might be a pivot against India, then a takeover of south-eastern asia, aus, nz.

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unnamednewbie13
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file under i cant even

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-a … 596un.html

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ehdottoman
First it was Dr. Suess now it's sesame street...what the fuck is wrong with Republicans and their weirdness with children.
SuperJail Warden
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

file under i cant even

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-a … 596un.html

https://i.imgur.com/Y5bXklc.png

ehdottoman
First it was Dr. Suess now it's sesame street...what the fuck is wrong with Republicans and their weirdness with children.
Now the CRT is on sesame street.
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SuperJail Warden
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The U.S. resumed international travel the same day that the NYT COVID tracker reports it's first 2 week increase in cases.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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What do you mean the US resumed international travel? It never stopped...
Dilbert_X
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Birds Aren't Real
uziq
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https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2021/november/in-marseille

interesting short blog post on the history of plague in marseilles.
Dilbert_X
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By the 18th century the city had a three-tier system of 15 to 60-day quarantine. The period of confinement depended on the health of the crew, the origin of the ship – the Levant and North African coast were considered more suspect – and whether the captain could provide letters attesting to a healthy situation in his recent ports of call.

The system was effective, but not perfect – Marseille was the site of the last major outbreak of plague in Western Europe.
Amazing

I'd have a 60 day quarantine here.
Birds Aren't Real
uziq
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the point being that they still didn't work and were imperfect (as you'd expect in an era before germ theory and sterilization ...).

any system, no matter how severe, has weaknesses, human mistakes, and margins of error.

in particular, given the global nature of trade, and the need for transactions of goods and movement of people, which applied in 18th century europe and which applies triply so now, there are external pressures placed upon such a given system. in the case of marseilles, people cut corners for the sake of trade – which led to plague spreading.

in the case of the delta variant of covid, a single escaping case can seed a rapidly out-of-control situation. a SINGLE case (see new zealand). so we need every nation in the world to play along perfectly and not cut any corners for political or trade reasons?

LOL i suggest you read the piece again and think a little harder about its implications.
RTHKI
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Guy who was out for 3 weeks with pretty bad covid case is sick with something else and his only preventative measure from spreading is not going to meetings. His is not wearing a mask. Actually he was in a meeting last week and the solution was sit far away and not wear a mask.
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KEN-JENNINGS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59167718
Land border was closed. Air travel was not.
unnamednewbie13
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Here's another one of these misleading clickbait titles about covid and vaccines. This needs to stop, pulling people in with misleading/out-of-context/incomplete or outright false information and then playing innocent because they slipped in a line of context somewhere in like paragraph sixteen. People are just going to read the headline and roll with that.

clickbait title: Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time
description: A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.

1:18 mark wrote:

Since veterans tend to be older, and more likely to be men, than other Americans, the study results can't be extrapolated to the country as a whole.

comments (of course, a playground for the death cultists) wrote:

let's go brandon!


Big News, that. "We will need additional shots." Bravo, something that has been much discussed since their start.
SuperJail Warden
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

The U.S. resumed international travel the same day that the NYT COVID tracker reports it's first 2 week increase in cases.
Well, it's official. This is the start of a new winter wave.
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