no we could not eradicate covid. what the hell are you talking about dilbert? any nation that has more than 2,500 daily cases is way beyond the point of being able to perfectly contact trace all transmission. the UK could completely seal its borders for the next 12 months and wouldn't get the current case numbers down to 0. new zealand couldn't do it with case numbers in the LOW HUNDREDS for FUCK's sake.
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- … c03418aeaf
WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — New Zealand’s government acknowledged Monday what most other countries did long ago: It can no longer completely get rid of the coronavirus.
Despite New Zealand going into the strictest form of lockdown after just a single local case was detected, it ultimately wasn’t enough to crush the outbreak entirely.
One factor may have been that the disease spread among some groups that are typically more wary of authorities, including gang members and homeless people living in transitional housing.
The outbreak has grown to more than 1,300 cases, with 29 more detected on Monday. A few cases have been found outside of Auckland.
even IF a country could domestically hoover up all its cases and return to perfect zero – which is a nigh-on impossibility – how would we keep the world neatly cleaved in half with absolutely no movement of people or goods for half a year or a year to effect this miracle scheme? we are not talking about tasmania, here; we are talking the GLOBAL SYSTEM. almost everything you buy and consume is grown, manufactured or transported through an area where covid is very not under control. vast swathes of every nation's economy is dependent upon the labour of 'grey market' people and goods. it's the case in california and the case in new zealand and the case in south korea where outbreaks are common in undocumented factory-slaving migrants. that's the world system we have devised and which we live in, and which we can't wish away with the swish of a magic wand.
new zealand and china, respectively, have used some of the most stringent lockdown measures of anywhere in the free or authoritarian world. neither have managed to eradicate covid. i repeat to you again: technocratic-authoritarian china and perfectly isolated remote island new zealand have failed to eradicate covid, from low case numbers.
it's like saying 'if we just locked down for half a year we could eradicate influenza'. there's a reason no one has ever seriously proposed this: because flu is a highly infectious airborne disease and the practical necessities of 'just sensibly controlling' the disease is pure fairy-tale stuff.
If the world could have just properly shut down and controlled travel for three months this would never have happened
this is literally the only contribution you've had to this topic in the last 12 months. it's inane childish wish-fulfillment. you truly sound like a man who has never been further than 100 metres away from his mother's left breast. keep handwringing with your shoulda-woulda-couldas. i'm very glad that we have actual virologists who can invent actually effective vaccines. you seem frankly way in over your head when it comes to dealing with highly complex problems like this. aren't engineers supposed to be problem solvers? 'let's just close down the world for 6 months and totally eradicate covid' is not a real fucking solution.
your proposal seriously amounts to 'if we could perfectly seal every border for an extended period and not allow ONE single positive case to get through, each country could somehow trace+isolate each one of its 2,500 or 25,000 or 75,000 daily cases and sort it. oh btw the entire world economy must effectively freeze whilst we do this'.
you are fucking INSANE my guy.
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