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Once again, Aus and NZ did 'close the border' then gradually reopened it.
We still have 14 days mandatory quarantine.
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once again, my point is there are still flights and people can still move between countries with a minimum of caution and a simple test.

you have been calling for far more stringent measures all year, which i have been calling unreasonable and ridiculous.

quarantining for 15 days on arrival in a new destination to make sure you'r all-clear from covid is wise, yes. tests too. no disagreement.

isn't australia still stopping even most australians from flying home right now? i saw the emirates just cancelled all their routes because of vastly reduced numbers allowed back. sounds very unreasonable.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

2010-2019: flu killed ~330,000 Americans

It's just the flu (*10)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-lung … ers-lungs/

A Texas trauma surgeon says it's rare that X-rays from any of her COVID-19 patients come back without dense scarring. Dr. Brittany Bankhead-Kendall tweeted, "Post-COVID lungs look worse than any type of terrible smoker's lung we've ever seen. And they collapse. And they clot off. And the shortness of breath lingers on... & on... & on."

"Everyone's just so worried about the mortality thing and that's terrible and it's awful," she told CBS Dallas-Fort Worth. "But man, for all the survivors and the people who have tested positive this is — it's going to be a problem."
ah, yes, i still bear the scars to this day from my bouts of flu.
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uziq wrote:

once again, my point is there are still flights and people can still move between countries with a minimum of caution and a simple test.

you have been calling for far more stringent measures all year, which i have been calling unreasonable and ridiculous.

quarantining for 15 days on arrival in a new destination to make sure you'r all-clear from covid is wise, yes. tests too. no disagreement.

isn't australia still stopping even most australians from flying home right now? i saw the emirates just cancelled all their routes because of vastly reduced numbers allowed back. sounds very unreasonable.
We had 0 community cases yesterday, Britain had 55,000, if you don't want to learn bad luck.
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once more about the roundabout it's really just such great fun having the same 3 discussions with you
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If you keep coming up with the same ridiculous ideas thats what happens.

Great news though, we're holding an international tennis tournament - what could go wrong?
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Dur

Two people onboard a specially chartered flight into Melbourne for the Australian Open have tested positive for coronavirus, meaning players travelling with them will be confined to their rooms and unable to train for 14 days.

An aircrew member and an Australian Open participant who is not a player arrived on the flight from Los Angeles on Friday morning, COVID-19 Quarantine Victoria (CQV) said.

The passenger returned a negative result after a pre-departure test.

The two have been transferred to a "health hotel" after returning positive tests for COVID-19.

"All remaining 66 passengers on the flight have been determined to be close contacts. Any players and support people will not be able to leave quarantine to attend training," a CQV spokesperson said.

Under quarantine conditions ahead of the grand slam next month, COVID-negative players are allowed out of their hotel room for up to five hours each day to train.

Mexican player Santiago Gonzalez and Uruguayan player Pablo Cuevas were amongst players who posted on social media to confirm they were on QR7493 from LAX and would have to stay in their rooms.

"Players are being supported to access equipment for their hotel rooms to help them maintain their fitness during this time," the CQV spokesperson said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-16/ … t/13063920
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I am so glad Israel is first in the queue, and 'production delays' aren't affecting them.

Several EU countries are receiving significantly fewer doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine than expected, after the US firm slowed shipments.

Six nations called the situation "unacceptable" and warned it "decreases the credibility of the vaccination process".

Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia urged the EU to apply pressure on Pfizer-BioNTech.

Pfizer said the reduced deliveries were a temporary issue.

In a statement on Friday, the drugmaker said shipments were being affected by changes to its manufacturing processes designed to boost production.

"Although this will temporarily impact shipments in late January to early February, it will provide a significant increase in doses available for patients in late February and March," Pfizer said.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/BC36/production/_116528184_vaccine_doses_per100_countries_most_vax15jan-nc.png

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55666399
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Interesting

Just three weeks since the first Israeli citizen received the BioNTech/Pfizer jab — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself — the country has raced ahead of the rest of world with vaccinations, covering about 20 percent of its population to date.

Reasons behind this roaring start are fast emerging: Netanyahu revealed on January 7 that Israel struck an agreement with Pfizer to exchange citizens' data for 10 million doses of the coronavirus vaccine, including a promise of shipments of 400,000-700,000 doses every week.

Under this agreement, Israel will provide details to Pfizer (as well as and the World Health Organization) about the age, gender and medical history of those receiving the jab as well as its side effects and efficacy. No identifying information will be given in order to maintain some privacy.

...

Netanyahu — who is hoping to get reelected in March — has also repeatedly brought up his close relationships with the chief executives of Pfizer and Moderna, suggesting his connections helped secure millions of doses.

"I speak to them all the time," Netanyahu said. He added that Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, a descendant of a Jewish family from Thessaloniki, is "a great friend" of Israel.
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel- … ss-secret/
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you don’t seem as interested that arabs in the UAE have received many more doses than europeans too?

everyone knew the vaccine distribution was going to be a great global game. israel’s population are a drop in the bucket in terms of total vaccines so who cares? if bibi wants to use israel as a nation-sized data dump, that hardly hurts the rest of the world either.

what’s more interesting to me is how large european countries like france are basically passing on the vaccine. anti-vaccine sentiments there are almost the majority; only 40% of french people have said they’ll have a vaccine. if you don’t have something like 75% population compliance then the whole thing is a waste of time. now there’s a story.
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according to BBC news this morning:

1 in 3 people in LA have had corona and every 8 minutes someone dies.
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It's on the news in multiple places that the UK virus variant may keep countries in lockdown until summer. I haven't much complained about control measures so far but this is just madness. Add the vaccine delivery delays to the EU and uncertainty over its protective ability against all the mutations that are popping up, I wonder if by the next easing of measures we should start reconsidering our strategy if indeed vaccinations aren't the holy grail. i.e. consider it an endemic disease and let it go.

I can't rationalise crippling all these young people and destroying livelihoods for a year and a half to save people who are overwhelmingly already retired or at life's end; the highest percentage of deaths by far is in the 80-89 bracket. And they too are subjected to increasing stresses not being able to see their loved ones. We shouldn't underestimate or trivialise the crushing effects of long term loneliness.

It's still fine for now but the prospect of 5 months lockdown, it just sounds insane.
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Who is Cindy Falco-DiCorrado? Maskless Florida Karen accuses Black cop of stealing her purse as she's arrested
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Larssen wrote:

It's on the news in multiple places that the UK virus variant may keep countries in lockdown until summer. I haven't much complained about control measures so far but this is just madness. Add the vaccine delivery delays to the EU and uncertainty over its protective ability against all the mutations that are popping up, I wonder if by the next easing of measures we should start reconsidering our strategy if indeed vaccinations aren't the holy grail. i.e. consider it an endemic disease and let it go.

I can't rationalise crippling all these young people and destroying livelihoods for a year and a half to save people who are overwhelmingly already retired or at life's end; the highest percentage of deaths by far is in the 80-89 bracket. And they too are subjected to increasing stresses not being able to see their loved ones. We shouldn't underestimate or trivialise the crushing effects of long term loneliness.

It's still fine for now but the prospect of 5 months lockdown, it just sounds insane.
Imagine going into WW2 not knowing if it was going to last ten years or if you were going to win or lose.

Three months could kill this thing, six months easily. Various groups need to be compensated and managed in the long term but it needs to be done.
Or we can let millions die and many of the survivors live with Han-virus lung. Extrapolating would 1.75m deaths in the UK be an acceptable price to allow young people to party again?

The bigger problem is what happens in the next pandemic, and the one after that, and the one after that, because its going to be like a conveyor belt.

And we've barely started to see all the old pandemics develop antibiotic resistance thanks largely to india and the rest of asia with their farming practices and profligate use of medicines. TB Alone could end international travel forever and I'm surprised it hasn't already happened.

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Dilbert_X wrote:

If you keep coming up with the same ridiculous ideas thats what happens.

Great news though, we're holding an international tennis tournament - what could go wrong?
You stupid fuckers
More than 120 people, including 47 players, have been counted as close contacts of the three positive cases, who arrived on charter flights into Victoria from Los Angeles and Abu Dhabi on Friday morning.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-16/ … t/13063920


The performing arts crowd are rightly pissed that they're being blocked but sports-earners are being flown in on charter flights.
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uziq wrote:

everyone knew the vaccine distribution was going to be a great global game. israel’s population are a drop in the bucket in terms of total vaccines so who cares?
Apparently european countries care as they aren't getting the vaccines they were promised but israel apparently is.

Its a little bit mysterious as they're being shipped out of europe to israel.

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Meanwhile in certain western countries, warehouses were waiting for instructions on where to ship them.
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Only about three days and US deaths will surpass WW2.
Counting excess deaths its probably there already.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

everyone knew the vaccine distribution was going to be a great global game. israel’s population are a drop in the bucket in terms of total vaccines so who cares?
Apparently european countries care as they aren't getting the vaccines they were promised but israel apparently is.

Its a little bit mysterious as they're being shipped out of europe to israel.
israel has 9 million people. let’s say (very) charitably that 6 million of them will get vaccinated.

israel is not creating a global dearth in the supply of vaccines.

‘mysterious’ lol. those mysterious ways of the jews with their hand in everything! yes, let’s not talk at all about, say, the bungled incompetence of french ministers. let’s not talk about the trump admin’s absolute mishandling of vaccine approval and procurement. it’s ISRAEL!
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No let not, as the issue we're talking about is inequalities in vaccine deliveries and Pfizer blaming 'production reorganisation' which is clearly false.
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pfizer are upgrading their production capacity which has temporarily reduced their deliveries in the short term. aren’t you an engineer?
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Seems to be strange to be doing it now when they've had about a year to think about it.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Larssen wrote:

It's on the news in multiple places that the UK virus variant may keep countries in lockdown until summer. I haven't much complained about control measures so far but this is just madness. Add the vaccine delivery delays to the EU and uncertainty over its protective ability against all the mutations that are popping up, I wonder if by the next easing of measures we should start reconsidering our strategy if indeed vaccinations aren't the holy grail. i.e. consider it an endemic disease and let it go.

I can't rationalise crippling all these young people and destroying livelihoods for a year and a half to save people who are overwhelmingly already retired or at life's end; the highest percentage of deaths by far is in the 80-89 bracket. And they too are subjected to increasing stresses not being able to see their loved ones. We shouldn't underestimate or trivialise the crushing effects of long term loneliness.

It's still fine for now but the prospect of 5 months lockdown, it just sounds insane.
Imagine going into WW2 not knowing if it was going to last ten years or if you were going to win or lose.

Three months could kill this thing, six months easily. Various groups need to be compensated and managed in the long term but it needs to be done.
Or we can let millions die and many of the survivors live with Han-virus lung. Extrapolating would 1.75m deaths in the UK be an acceptable price to allow young people to party again?

The bigger problem is what happens in the next pandemic, and the one after that, and the one after that, because its going to be like a conveyor belt.

And we've barely started to see all the old pandemics develop antibiotic resistance thanks largely to india and the rest of asia with their farming practices and profligate use of medicines. TB Alone could end international travel forever and I'm surprised it hasn't already happened.
The unique part about this crisis is that we are no longer allowed to be the social beings we naturally are. People move in crowds, go to regular social gatherings, attend social rituals etc. During natural disasters, wartime or any other crisis all this still takes place. Now, it's taboo, for obvious reasons.

If the virus can't be contained permanently and vaccines prove ineffective against mutations, it's time to consider this thing endemic and let it go. Kids not going to school or socialising for long stretches of time is hugely damaging in the long term. I also read a news report that suicides were up by about 16% in Japan during october compared to the same time last year, with the highest increases among (stay at home) mums and teenagers.

It's a question on how important you feel living as long as possible is vs the free movement and development of everyone else, particularly the young. As stated, by and large hospitalisations and deaths are among retirees. Living that long is already a gift in itself. But we've become so accustomed to that it is expected and seems only acceptable if someone meets their end from natural causes at some 90 years of age. In stark contrast to many generations that came before us, to whom death was a more prominent and normalised part of life.

I'm not advocating to consider this now as I feel we should still hunker down and see if the vaccines are truly effective, but after this lockdown I can't see us go back in for a third.
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I also read that japanese suicides were down because they weren't going to work and being harassed by their bosses.

This variant causes acute mortality in the old and chronic ill-health for the young, another reason not to let it rip is to not let it develop a whole bunch more mutations which might well be different - pandemics traditionally affecting the young.

Maybe the endless enforced hypersocialisation isn't good for everyone? Extraverts need their constant validation, not everyone does.
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The dip in suicided was in february, now it's going up.

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