BF2S Forums Pandemic thread

i have said for 200 something pages of this thread that dramatically closing borders and wounding international trade or travel makes NO sense if you don’t have a robust domestic test+tracing regime. it does nothing. covid will cross borders on things even if you place strict limits on people; and in any case SOME numbers of people must go back and forth even in the maintenance of those goods logistics.

NZ can close its border because hardly anyone goes there. lol. it’s not complicated.

many other countries have achieved a completely flat covid graph all year with BORDERS open. obviously, by the same token, you want to ignore them and continue pursuing your obsessive vendettas against, er, holiday-makers.

i nearly had my life ruined by a girl like that and it was a very public affair here on bf2s at the time. i regretted the way i spoke about her, though.

take it to the girl problems thread, lad.

uziq wrote:

i have said for 200 something pages of this thread that dramatically closing borders and wounding international trade or travel makes NO sense if you don’t have a robust domestic test+tracing regime.

Well obviously if nothing is functioning there's no point only doing one thing.

But, most countries closed or dramatically restricted their borders well before they had test and trace set up, then reopened minimally and gradually.

NZ gets 3.8 million tourists a year, cutting them out is a no-brainer.

OK, don't do anything, have a great time.

Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, don't do anything, have a great time.

i literally posted this graph on the last page. what are you telling me that’s new? maybe if the U.K. closes its borders to all incomers, we’ll magically fix our outbreak? the borders are definitely it!

Thanks, it just sucks all around. I feel like the US could have had more meaningful progress in fighting this thing if it weren't actively sabotaging itself at every turn. The next 300 person wedding before we get this under control needs to get sprayed down with a firehose. Also all the traveling Trump super-spreaders.

And again, previous projections put the US as one of the top performers. Probably not factoring in something like Trumpism. Maybe political divisiveness should be used more in epidemiological models.

We're running out of things to compare it to in hopes of downplaying it. Yes, the Mongol exterminations were a pretty low point in history too, but that doesn't say much for the coronavirus.

"But snowball earth! The planet has survived!"

Yeah ok.

uziq wrote:

i literally posted this graph on the last page. what are you telling me that’s new? maybe if the U.K. closes its borders to all incomers, we’ll magically fix our outbreak? the borders are definitely it!

So again, your plan is do nothing?

Step 1 Close the borders
Step 2 Run an effective track and trace system not burdened by an unnecessary 800,000 incomers and their exponential contacts every week.
Step 3
Step 4 Profit - like NZ, Australia, etc.

I think the truth is you want freedom to travel unhindered and think someone else should take the cost and pain for your selfishness.

Taiwan's controls seem fairly severe, once again I think you're just making stuff up.


Mar 18, 2020   
★ IMPORTANT

Taiwan to bar foreign nationals from entering the country starting March 19 in response to the continued spread of COVID-19

1. Taiwan will bar foreign nationals whose flights depart after 00:00 Taipei Standard Time (GMT+8) on March 19 from entering the country in accordance with measures announced by the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC). Exemptions will be granted to Alien Resident Certificate holders, personnel on diplomatic or official business, persons who can prove they are fulfilling commercial and contractual obligations, and persons requiring special permission.

Frequently Asked Questions (Mar 19)
Q1: Do the new border control measures announced by Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which went into effect on March 19, annul visa-free entry, landing visas, and eVisas for foreign nationals? Can foreign nationals holding a valid visa still enter Taiwan?

A: The border control measures announced by Taiwan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs were implemented in response to the continued spread of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak. Foreign nationals who are eligible for visa-free entry or hold a visitor or resident visa and wish to enter Taiwan from March 19 must hold relevant documents to qualify for exempted status. These documents must be presented to the National Immigration Agency (NIA) personnel at the port of entry for approval. Those holding special entry permits issued by R.O.C. (Taiwan) overseas missions, valid Alien Resident Certificates, or MOFA ID Cards will be allowed entry following inspection by NIA personnel.

Q2: Under what circumstances do foreign nationals qualify for a special entry permit? What are some examples?

A: Apart from the aforementioned foreign nationals who can still enter Taiwan, R.O.C. (Taiwan) overseas missions may also grant special entry permits to foreign nationals when there are clear and urgent reasons for them to visit Taiwan based on, for example, humanitarian grounds or approval by competent authorities in Taiwan.


December 30, 2020
CECC imposes entry restrictions and quarantine measures for non-R.O.C. nationals starting from January 1, 2021, and tightens quarantine measures for travelers coming to Taiwan starting on January 15, 2021


On December 30, the Central Epidemic Command Center (CECC) reported that coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) has continued to spread around the globe. The CECC stated that in consideration of the status of the COVID-19 pandemic globally, Taiwan would impose entry restrictions and quarantine regulations for non-R.O.C. nationals, effective from 00:00 am (local time at the airport of departure) on January 1, 2021, and Taiwan would strengthen quarantine measures form travelers coming to Taiwan, effective from 00:00 am on January 15, 2021.
Details about entry restrictions and quarantine regulations for non-R.O.C. nationals are listed below.


A. Non-R.O.C. nationals may enter Taiwan if they meet the following conditions:

Foreign nationals: foreign nationals may enter Taiwan if they hold an Alien Resident Certificate (ARC); for diplomatic or official business; to fulfill contractual obligations; for special humanitarian reasons; when they are the spouse or the underage child of an R.O.C. national; or when they obtain other special permission.

https://www.boca.gov.tw/cp-220-5081-c06dc-2.html

South Korea requires a negative PCR test AND 14 days quarantine, thats hardly unrestricted travel.

that measure was introduced all of 1 week ago. for the last YEAR they’ve had open borders. what does the quarantine have to do with it? where did i say that quarantines are hopeless?

a country that lets in international flights from 95% of the countries in the world, and then makes people quarantine for arrival, does not have ‘closed borders’.

methinks you’re scrabbling around for an argument. i have precisely been in support of open borders and intelligent quarantine/tracing methods, precisely as OPPOSED to your ‘shut down everything’ tack. now you’re using, uh, korea’s quarantine ‘against’ me? you do realise people who go there voluntarily pay $2000 for the 15 day quarantine right? i think i’d know whether or not i agree with those measures by now!

There's a big difference between "open borders" which you've been advocating and 99.9% closed borders with very limited, controlled, quarantined essential travel mostly for citizens only which is what most countries including SK and Taiwan have had for almost a year - except Britain and America which have had largely open borders and are now looking like wastelands.

The rambling and confused arguments you've constructed around your self interest make little sense.