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So it's bad when some else diminishes your job to a fraction of what you actually do.Dilbert_X wrote:
Erm okuziq wrote:
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How many western slaughterhouses have you been to? Pretty gross stuff there in spite of all the "food controls in the world."Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats great and all but it doesn't typically happen on the pavement outside the restaurant or next to the snack cart.
There are controls on food quality in most western countries, in asian countries there aren't, plus they eat animals which just shouldn't be eaten.
what does it even mean ‘they eat animals which just shouldn’t be eaten’. the list of zoonotic or food-borne illnesses from beef, dairy, chicken, etc, is very long. ‘animals which just shouldn’t be eaten’, lmao what essentialist nonsense.
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Bats and pangolins for two, pretty well any carnivore really - the list is pretty long.uziq wrote:
what does it even mean ‘they eat animals which just shouldn’t be eaten’. the list of zoonotic or food-borne illnesses from beef, dairy, chicken, etc, is very long. ‘animals which just shouldn’t be eaten’, lmao what essentialist nonsense.
We are at least familiar with diseases in cattle and know what to look for, and humans will have at least a bit of tolerance.
Exotic diseases humans have never seen before - no thanks.
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they don’t eat pangolins. they use their scales in medicine. the disease did not hop from bats to humans. the chinese consumption of bats is not responsible for covid-19. bats in close proximity to other animals, maybe. but you can stop chiding their dietary habits, as if a delicacy for bat soup has created a global pandemic.
what is an ‘exotic disease’? exotic to you, maybe. the simple fact, widely discussed and linked to above, is that as we encroach further into heretofore unexplored/untapped areas, we are going to discover or unsettle novel pathogens. diseases can exist in isolated habitats or biospheres for a long time; or there is an ever-present possibility of new mutations. new flus are developing all the time, including most notably avian and swine flu. are chickens and pigs ‘exotic’?
‘humans have a bit of tolerance’, lmao’d dilbert really
knows about virology. the biggest pandemic in modern america prior to covid was swine flu. it killed 250,000+ people in one year. really we have much less control over these things than we like to admit: there’s a lot of luck in how a virus mutates and progresses.
what is an ‘exotic disease’? exotic to you, maybe. the simple fact, widely discussed and linked to above, is that as we encroach further into heretofore unexplored/untapped areas, we are going to discover or unsettle novel pathogens. diseases can exist in isolated habitats or biospheres for a long time; or there is an ever-present possibility of new mutations. new flus are developing all the time, including most notably avian and swine flu. are chickens and pigs ‘exotic’?
‘humans have a bit of tolerance’, lmao’d dilbert really
knows about virology. the biggest pandemic in modern america prior to covid was swine flu. it killed 250,000+ people in one year. really we have much less control over these things than we like to admit: there’s a lot of luck in how a virus mutates and progresses.
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Maybe 200 million cats in the US alone as potential carriers to spread the virus to other animals. But pangolins are obviously the more scary part of all this.
The general point of only having regulated consumption that adheres to food safety standards is important though. I doubt exotic animals and scavengers would pass FDA or EU food safety authorities. The Chinese government does need to make more strides in this, it's wild that its rich cities still turn a blind eye to food safety.
food regulation and standards are important for a whole host of reasons, of course. but it won't prevent the spread of zoonotic disease if you've got your well-regulated and hygienically slaughtered animals in an overlapping ecosphere with vectors of disease, like cave-dwelling bats. proximity is the problem there not food standards.
uziq wrote:
they don’t eat pangolins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_pangolinThe Chinese pangolin is hunted for its meat, claws, and scales. Pangolin meat, which is considered a delicacy in parts of China and Vietnam, has been reported to sell for as high as US$200/kg.
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Has beef farming caused a pandemic since smallpox?uziq wrote:
food regulation and standards are important for a whole host of reasons, of course. but it won't prevent the spread of zoonotic disease if you've got your well-regulated and hygienically slaughtered animals in an overlapping ecosphere with vectors of disease, like cave-dwelling bats. proximity is the problem there not food standards.
Do people keep cattle in or near bat caves anywhere in modern countries?
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There's a ton of room for improvement. I imagine a lot of conscientious kitchen keepers would have second thoughts about some of the things they eat if they were more aware of where (or how long) it's been. Pretty easy to ignore when it's wrapped up on top of a styrofoam tray.
But hear no evil, see no evil.
But hear no evil, see no evil.
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Well covid is a case study for this no? Look at how it spread among the Mink population in Europe: because of seagulls...Dilbert_X wrote:
Has beef farming caused a pandemic since smallpox?uziq wrote:
food regulation and standards are important for a whole host of reasons, of course. but it won't prevent the spread of zoonotic disease if you've got your well-regulated and hygienically slaughtered animals in an overlapping ecosphere with vectors of disease, like cave-dwelling bats. proximity is the problem there not food standards.
Do people keep cattle in or near bat caves anywhere in modern countries?
Man I can't believe how clean western meat is! Haha, market slaughter, bunch of primitives.Animal Cruelty Complaint Filed Against MN Hen Slaughter Plant
The plant has not been issued a Notice of Intended Enforcement because of inhumane treatment/slaughter. In addition to the red bird issue, Shapiro said the Butterfield quality-assurance person told the undercover investigator that if carcasses contaminated with feces were found on the line, “the USDA should not be informed because they might shut it down until the source of the problem was identified.” “That same QA person told our investigator to tell Butterfield management instead and they would address it with line workers,” he added.
"But we have government inspection!"
Then why does some of the stuff that goes down have to be exposed by undercover agents apart from them.
are you just missing the part where i said fucking 250,000 people died in 2009 because of pigs, farmed in mexico/the southern US for the western meat market?Dilbert_X wrote:
Has beef farming caused a pandemic since smallpox?uziq wrote:
food regulation and standards are important for a whole host of reasons, of course. but it won't prevent the spread of zoonotic disease if you've got your well-regulated and hygienically slaughtered animals in an overlapping ecosphere with vectors of disease, like cave-dwelling bats. proximity is the problem there not food standards.
Do people keep cattle in or near bat caves anywhere in modern countries?
again, a delicacy. we didn’t get covid because of people casually consuming bats and pangolins. you keep making out their ‘exotic’ and ‘disgusting’ food habits have caused this, a problem unique to china or the far east. i’ve pointed out here dozens of times that people are not sitting down after a hard-days work in wuhan to eat pangolin. these are incredibly niche delicacies not mass factory-farmed animals.Dilbert_X wrote:
uziq wrote:
they don’t eat pangolins.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_pangolinThe Chinese pangolin is hunted for its meat, claws, and scales. Pangolin meat, which is considered a delicacy in parts of China and Vietnam, has been reported to sell for as high as US$200/kg.
people keep pointing out to you that your emphasis on ‘exotic’ animals and the ‘chinese diet’ is misguided but you’re just not getting it.
by the way the sequencing of covid pinned it to populations of malay pangolins, not chinese ones. but again don’t let accuracy and evidence get in the way of your flustered google searching.
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cap. if it came from malaysian pangolins then how did this shit start in china?uziq wrote:
again, a delicacy. we didn’t get covid because of people casually consuming bats and pangolins. you keep making out their ‘exotic’ and ‘disgusting’ food habits have caused this, a problem unique to china or the far east. i’ve pointed out here dozens of times that people are not sitting down after a hard-days work in wuhan to eat pangolin. these are incredibly niche delicacies not mass factory-farmed animals.Dilbert_X wrote:
uziq wrote:
they don’t eat pangolins.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_pangolinThe Chinese pangolin is hunted for its meat, claws, and scales. Pangolin meat, which is considered a delicacy in parts of China and Vietnam, has been reported to sell for as high as US$200/kg.
people keep pointing out to you that your emphasis on ‘exotic’ animals and the ‘chinese diet’ is misguided but you’re just not getting it.
by the way the sequencing of covid pinned it to populations of malay pangolins, not chinese ones. but again don’t let accuracy and evidence get in the way of your flustered google searching.
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we don't know that it did for sure, we just know they are a good intermediary species.
chinese pangolins are a critically endangered species. there's about 20,000 of them in the wild. it is an ultra-delicacy for the rich. dilbert trying to suggest that the chinese are 'eating pangolins for their meat' on the regular, going down to the average blue-collar joe wet market in a mid-tier city like wuhan, is a joke. people aren't shopping for pangolin flesh or bat soup in wuhan.
chinese pangolins are a critically endangered species. there's about 20,000 of them in the wild. it is an ultra-delicacy for the rich. dilbert trying to suggest that the chinese are 'eating pangolins for their meat' on the regular, going down to the average blue-collar joe wet market in a mid-tier city like wuhan, is a joke. people aren't shopping for pangolin flesh or bat soup in wuhan.
Sister opened a cafe and is now closing it. Mom blames covid.
If only there was some kind of small business relief package with oversight to make sure actual small business got it. .
If only there was some kind of small business relief package with oversight to make sure actual small business got it. .
I've mentioned before, but there's justifiable annoyance at the inconsistency of counter-virus measures. Close the mini-mart on the corner that gets maybe half a dozen customers a day, leave the big supermarket with 10 lines to the back of the store open. Compounded by small businesses (who the Republicans love so *#& much /s) also not getting the help they need to stay afloat.
Who is "essential" and who was not does seem fairly arbitrary from place to place.
Who is "essential" and who was not does seem fairly arbitrary from place to place.
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I am really sorry for your sister's loss. It always hurts when a dream is deferred. Maybe your sister could look into opening a Dunkin Donuts franchise.RTHKI wrote:
Sister opened a cafe and is now closing it. Mom blames covid.
If only there was some kind of small business relief package with oversight to make sure actual small business got it. .
It's a cat cafe and was her second one. She just married an electrician. They should be fine.
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Cat cafe. Wow, I have just learned a new thing. I'm allergic to cats so that is a no go some for me.
It's hard to believe that someone who's been on the internet as long as you has never heard of a cat cafe.
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Completely new thing to me. I can imagine the smell.
cat cafes are everywhere now. there's 2 in my city and it's not a big one (225k population).
obviously originated in japan as a novelty/cute/kawaii thing. now they are everywhere.
there was a really funny internet drama 5-6 years back where a proto-karen ran a cat cafe into the ground, and had a very public meltdown about it on proto-karen facebook. i should find it.
obviously originated in japan as a novelty/cute/kawaii thing. now they are everywhere.
there was a really funny internet drama 5-6 years back where a proto-karen ran a cat cafe into the ground, and had a very public meltdown about it on proto-karen facebook. i should find it.