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totally irrelevant, because trump's team immediately tried to claim it as 'their' victory anyway. do you think trump voters need any more encouraging? do you think anyone would swing to trump because a german-US big pharma collaboration produced a vaccine?

don't be so silly.

Last edited by uziq (2020-11-12 13:07:34)

is the economy up or is the stock market up? have you been paying attention to the US's fiscal policy over the last 12 months, or what? covid has been a disaster for the states. i'm sure a lot of freshly unemployed democrats would have swung to trump because of a Pfizer vaccine.

trump has not been an ordinary incumbent. comparing him in that way doesn't make any sense. he just inspired the biggest ever vote against a sitting president in history. evidently people are polarized against him over much more than just 'the economy'.

Last edited by uziq (2020-11-12 13:52:58)

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more than 130 secret service officers are isolating due to covid.

what does that even mean 'in general terms'? the stock market being up doesn't mean shit for the millions of lower-middle class americans who have been made unemployed due to covid. stimulus bills for wall street don't mean much to them, either.

you need to talk in specific terms when talking about swing voter demographics. is the economy up for the 'disappointeds'?

bread and circuses means diversions and distractions, not economic welfarism, LMAO.

you do know romans didn't vote for their leaders in the era of the coliseum, right? hahahahah

besides, and more to the point, where is the 'bread' in this scenario? the stock market doing good? i'm still confused by your argument that a vaccine would have saved donald trump.

Last edited by uziq (2020-11-14 04:18:11)

the romans didn't 'dish out bread and circuses' to 'win re-election'. the phrase originated when people had their votes bought outright, and was used by romans to describe the ruling manner of autocratic emperors, not people seeking re-election based on 'yuuuge economic gains'.

you said 'if the economy is on the up and things are going well'.

things are NOT going well. the performance of the stock market has never, in living memory, been so decoupled from actual economic performance.

Last edited by uziq (2020-11-14 04:27:03)

But the stock market is doing great.

we're back to where we were 3 posts ago. 'trump-disappointeds' and swing voters are benefitting from the stock market? really? can you check the demographics/socio-economic categories of these swing voters, please?

only 14% of americans have direct stock investments. 52% have some form of investment via pension/401k schemes. only 1/3rd of families in the lower echelons of the economic-income bracket have any stock investments at all.

Its like everyone is retarded or something.

re: covid, no it's not the 3rd worst performance in the world. have you forgotten entirely about brazil? it's not even evidently the worst outbreak in europe.

but the average trump voter didn't decide this election. have you checked the key demographics at all for biden's lead? in the states that he flipped, in particular? they're not billy budd and ella mae in arkansas.

they turned out in record numbers, dipshit. this is exactly what i said in my very first post. it wasn't trump defectors who lost him the election, based on covid performance. simply more people were motivated and animated against trump.

the way you are talking about this is inane. the reason the economy is doing badly is because of trump and the republicans' mismanagement of the pandemic. how might it have else 'miraculously' been doing great? how much damage to the economy did trump do with his trade-wars and tariffs against china, even before covid? how many industries continued to wind down despite all his loud proclamations about 'bringing jobs back'?

trump's entire economic platform has been a failure, and predictably so. he has only managed to enrich the already mega-rich and those with enough capital to flex the stock markets. the average lower-middle class american hasn't really benefitted from record levels of unemployment in amazon warehouses or as uber drivers. trump’s re-election campaign was almost flat broke and had a tiny budget/donations roll compared to biden’s (and his average donator/donation amount was NOT wall street).

'if the economy had been doing better' is tantamount to saying 'if trump had led a different government for 4 years then he might have been re-elected'. well, duh. trump supporters and sympathisers still have this annoying habit of talking about his national failures as if they’re not directly his responsibility; the learned response is to blame the dems (or china). trump has been in charge for 4 years. the economy is not good. stop talking about these damning stats as if they’re acts of god or not otherwise entirely foreseeable policy outcomes.

there's plenty of vox pops online in the news media and youtube with disaffected blue-collar voters in PA, WI, MI, etc, who reviewed trump's performance on the economy over the last 4 years and found it severely wanting.

Last edited by uziq (2020-11-14 08:43:03)

Our dreadful response to COVID is largely at the feet of the president and Republican party. At the height of America's World War 2 mobilization we created a new tank/boat/plane every few seconds. We could have done the same with PPE. We could have called out the National Guard to work in newly created factories producing the stuff and then have the military handle distribution while we go into partial lockdown. This would have required the government to care about us but Trump doesn't.