Dauntless
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It's only a couple of hours flight away, I think an Italian tomato exporter could make a killing here
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SuperJail Warden
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Superior Mind wrote:

Tomatoes originated in Mexico I think, they probably like a subtropical climate best. Italy also has some volcanic soil which is very mineral rich and always makes the best plant foods.
Tomatoes, potatoes, and corn all originated in the Americas. The importation of these crops to Europe helped Europe sustain a larger population than before.
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lil_droo
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I'm not really into apples. I love tomatoes though. I rather eat a raw tomato than an apple.
I can dig that. I buy tomatoes by the box. Freeze some, refrigerate some, leave a few out for consumption over the course of a few days. Not very convenient storage-wise, but certainly cheaper and saves shopping trips. Toasted cheese sandwich with tomato slices and baby spinach tastes amazing. I'd probably be 70 pounds heavier if I gave in every time I wanted to bake them.

I've tried growing them, but only the cherry tomatoes seem reliable in my soil. Super good off-the-vine though.

Zucchinis the size of firelogs.
I used to make similar snacks with English muffins. Baked tomatoes are amazing. I grew a nice veggie garden multiple years growing up at my parents house when I was more into botany as a teen. Grew some great cherry tomatoes as well, shit was like candy. Normal tomatoes didn't do too well though, mostly due to our weather.

Btw don't let zucchinis get that big. I know it's cool to see em like that or the fruits just get lost inside the plant so u don't notice but the flavor goes down when they get big like that and also the texture worsens
gang shit
SuperJail Warden
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New record high for daily confirmed cases. What is interesting about this is that this is also the first time the 14 day death average went up. Back when we had 20,000 cases a day the death average dropped to 200-400 a day. The other day we nearly hit 1,000. About half way to our all time peak of 2,000ish a day.
https://i.imgur.com/rLPgGe2.png
These are all fake numbers though because hundreds of millions of Americans actually have the antibodies. Your pets have the antibodies. Everyone has the antibodies to this just a flu.
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unnamednewbie13
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lil_droo wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I'm not really into apples. I love tomatoes though. I rather eat a raw tomato than an apple.
I can dig that. I buy tomatoes by the box. Freeze some, refrigerate some, leave a few out for consumption over the course of a few days. Not very convenient storage-wise, but certainly cheaper and saves shopping trips. Toasted cheese sandwich with tomato slices and baby spinach tastes amazing. I'd probably be 70 pounds heavier if I gave in every time I wanted to bake them.

I've tried growing them, but only the cherry tomatoes seem reliable in my soil. Super good off-the-vine though.

Zucchinis the size of firelogs.
I used to make similar snacks with English muffins. Baked tomatoes are amazing. I grew a nice veggie garden multiple years growing up at my parents house when I was more into botany as a teen. Grew some great cherry tomatoes as well, shit was like candy. Normal tomatoes didn't do too well though, mostly due to our weather.

Btw don't let zucchinis get that big. I know it's cool to see em like that or the fruits just get lost inside the plant so u don't notice but the flavor goes down when they get big like that and also the texture worsens
Most of the tomatoes I eat now are baked. Good stuff. Watermelon, too. Interesting method I wouldn't mind trying:

Crazy Delicious: How to make the BBQ Watermelon
https://www.realitytitbit.com/channel-4 … t-creation

The zucchinis I ate were harvested earlier than that. It's just that there were too many plants, so I let some stay as they were partly out of curiosity to see how big they'd grow, partly to go to seed, and partly to dig them back down into the soil.

Almost convinced they'd have been the size of elephant trunks if I'd been growing them in Puyallup valley soil.
SuperJail Warden
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I know not every small business owner is a multimillionaire and the effects of COVID on small mom and pop businesses is bad but I was annoyed when I watched this.
https://youtu.be/495rjDACOfU?t=30
Bar owner complaining that his weekly sales went from $100,000 a week to $5,000. What kind of bar makes $5 million a year in sales? And where did all of the money go?
The guy is also a monster of an employer and his bar should be shut down for safety issues.
https://youtu.be/495rjDACOfU?t=406

Are these the people we should be bailing out?

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uziq
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Dauntless wrote:

I dunno what it is but certain fruit and veg in the UK have absolutely no flavour compared to the fruit and veg in Italy and France.

Tomatoes in particular. I don't think I've ever had a good tomato in the UK whereas I've never had a bad one in Italy.
loads of supermarket stuff is grown using dutch hydroponic methods. the fruit and veg are massive but they’re full of water and were grown in non-ideal climates.
unnamednewbie13
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I know not every small business owner is a multimillionaire and the effects of COVID on small mom and pop businesses is bad but I was annoyed when I watched this.
https://youtu.be/495rjDACOfU?t=30
Bar owner complaining that his weekly sales went from $100,000 a week to $5,000. What kind of bar makes $5 million a year in sales? And where did all of the money go?
The guy is also a monster of an employer and his bar should be shut down for safety issues.
https://youtu.be/495rjDACOfU?t=406

Are these the people we should be bailing out?
When that video went to Fauci I am reminded of my recent wades into business virus discussion. Lots of dark, nasty feelings against the guy. Trump pulling the rug out from under his own advisors really has an effect on some people, I suppose. Imagine doctors and scientists not having all the answers on a novel coronavirus from day 1.

#firefauci

Watched a bit of the first video. I'd have to know a bit more about that bar to decide. Investopedia estimates average earnings at around $27,500/wk. Place seemed packed though, and could be an expensive yuppie joint. I wonder how much the guy rakes in for himself after costs.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/p … ng-bar.asp
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I know not every small business owner is a multimillionaire and the effects of COVID on small mom and pop businesses is bad but I was annoyed when I watched this.
https://youtu.be/495rjDACOfU?t=30
Bar owner complaining that his weekly sales went from $100,000 a week to $5,000. What kind of bar makes $5 million a year in sales? And where did all of the money go?
The guy is also a monster of an employer and his bar should be shut down for safety issues.
https://youtu.be/495rjDACOfU?t=406

Are these the people we should be bailing out?
That's revenue, not profit.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SuperJail Warden
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Yup
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Superior Mind
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Tomatoes originated in Mexico I think, they probably like a subtropical climate best. Italy also has some volcanic soil which is very mineral rich and always makes the best plant foods.
Tomatoes, potatoes, and corn all originated in the Americas. The importation of these crops to Europe helped Europe sustain a larger population than before.
Right, and the tomato, when first encountered by da white man was simply an ornamental. Some boi decided to mess around and botany it into the edible fruit. Other American original plants that the world loves: cacao, squash, quinoa, amaranth, wild rice, sweet potatoes (which prompted a recent genetic study finding Polynesians made peaceful contact with Columbia and brought the sweet potato back to Oceania), chili peppers, tobacco, coca (obviously).

My gpa also used to grow giant zucchini, they loose their flavor, but my aunt would use them for stuffing/baking.

Even in Kuwait I saw lots of produce imported from The Netherlands.

Notice not a lick of advise about bolstering one’s immune system naturally has been on the news. Its almost as if they want thousands of people to die.

$100,000 per week is pretty typical for a successful restaurant/bar I think. Overhead is very high.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2020-07-10 03:23:25)

uziq
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i don't buy into the 'they're hiding common health guidance' from people. it's because 'boosting your immune system' is not solid and quantifiably scientific. people are advised to death to eat healthily, consume things in moderation, etc. boosting your immune system isn't like filling up a grain silo.

a large part of covid seems to be genetic. if it's a blood vessel disease then there isn't much a boosted immune system is going to do to stop you from having strokes or suffering organ damage.
Superior Mind
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Advised to eat healthy without any real specifics by my standard anyway. I don’t think that kind of info is being purposefully hidden from us by the media or even doctors, but that basically it’s not common knowledge what it really means so it’s not something being focused on. Perhaps people’s susceptibility is epigenetic. The health of people has been declining generationally as a consequence of 70 years of the modern food industry.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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Superior Mind wrote:

Advised to eat healthy without any real specifics by my standard anyway. I don’t think that kind of info is being purposefully hidden from us by the media or even doctors, but that basically it’s not common knowledge what it really means so it’s not something being focused on. Perhaps people’s susceptibility is epigenetic. The health of people has been declining generationally as a consequence of 70 years of the modern food industry.
Blame Ancel Keys
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
uziq
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Superior Mind wrote:

Advised to eat healthy without any real specifics by my standard anyway. I don’t think that kind of info is being purposefully hidden from us by the media or even doctors, but that basically it’s not common knowledge what it really means so it’s not something being focused on. Perhaps people’s susceptibility is epigenetic. The health of people has been declining generationally as a consequence of 70 years of the modern food industry.
it's true, we eat terribly, the UK most of all in europe. our native food culture and nutrition took a huge dive after ww2 and rationing, and the 'recovery' leaned full tilt into industrial-manufacturing foodstuffs rather than rebuilding the small allotment growing culture that obtained prior to the war era.
Superior Mind
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Our grandparents generation were the last people to be raised on any kind of decent food, and that’s still depending on region. Our parents were the last generation with any kind of decent constitution- which is why most boomers have made it to old age before becoming ill after a lifetime of industrialized food. Now our generation and the next are riddled with all types of disease: type 2 diabetes from childhood, the whole host of mental disorders
uziq
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every age has its own mental disorders. one could write a fascinating history of changing disorders tied to different material circumstances and epochs. many 19th century fascinations and disorders/hysterias have all but disappeared, and we have new ones in new times.

the gut-brain axis is interesting research on this core. we're only just beginning to understand what the ancient greek epicureans, all the way up to nietzsche with his proto-fascistic cult of body-health (who literally spoke about thought beginning in the stomach and bowels), meant by 'mens sana in corpore sano'.

also, the other huge thing is the vistas opened up by post-marxian analysis in tandem with psychology. the systems we live in install their own share of disorders. much higher incidences of stress generally, as a precondition for more serious mental disorders, are obviously related to the ways that we live and work.
Superior Mind
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Probably stress is at the root of all disease. Physiologically stress creates a state of inflammation throughout the body, which restricts blood flow all around. Stressed out is the just the normal state of being these days.
SuperJail Warden
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Superior Mind wrote:

Probably stress is at the root of all disease. Physiologically stress creates a state of inflammation throughout the body, which restricts blood flow all around. Stressed out is the just the normal state of being these days.
^ This is not hippy bullshit. ^,   Mental stress has all sorts of negative health effects on top of other issues.
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uziq
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yeah, it's obvious. technology, distraction, stress, mass observation, foucaultian biopolitics, it's all in there, too. paranoia and schizophrenia are epochal illnesses for this modern world and have been since the advent of mass communications.
Superior Mind
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The state of being stressed out is the fight or flight mode. The body surges with adrenaline. Normally reserved for when our lives are in immediate danger. It makes you hyper vigilant and unable to plan long term. So many people are stuck in survival mode and fall victim to adrenal fatigue and other things.
uziq
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if you ask jay he will tell you that poor people just make stupid decisions and deserve it.
Superior Mind
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Dr. Gabor Mate is a hopeful voice in the medical field in regards to changing how we approach those most in need in society.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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There's a concept of "mental bandwidth". Your brain can only handle so much until it burns out. I am a pretty intelligent person but I have experienced this when I build my Gundam model kits. If you work on them for a few hours straight eventually your brain just grinds to a halt and the instructions stop making sense.
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Superior Mind
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Sounds like a blood sugar crash.

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