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2020-05-11 06:40:57
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

I've never understood why people have credit card debt when they can just go to the bank and borrow the same money at 1/4 of the interest.
I was always anti-credit card and refused to have them. Then, following bankers advice, I opened up a few in order to build up credit for a mortgage. Fast forward five years and I've got credit cards with 19% interest rates, large balances, and a nice expensive mortgage, all enriching the bankers. Credit cards have been wiped out with my side business income and the accounts have been closed, but man, the amount of money I wasted on interest really hurts. Lesson learned.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 06:41:16
SuperJail Warden
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Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

interestingly enough, National Review has an article on its front page comparing the French response to the German Blitzkrieg to the Democrat response to "Wuhan virus".

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ … -for-2020/

"Blitzkrieg Lessons for 2020"
This is the first article of theirs I have ever read. The amount of sweeping statements, unsubstantiated off-hand remarks and sheer bullshittery is... wow
NR is a mainstream or center right magazine. Their articles are usually decent or at least not fake news. I hate it when they do articles like this though. I call it "historical abuse", using misusing history for modern politics.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-05-11 06:41:41
uziq
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ffs please go and read an introductory essay on what socialism is. until then you are just as much of a dipshit as jay, throwing around terms which you do not understand. 'rich workers only'. what does that even mean.

crony capitalism is for the benefit of the owners, or the managerial class at the least. there's not some machine-parts worker getting a kickback at 3000% the hourly rate of his colleagues.
2020-05-11 06:43:19
uziq
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Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I've never understood why people have credit card debt when they can just go to the bank and borrow the same money at 1/4 of the interest.
I was always anti-credit card and refused to have them. Then, following bankers advice, I opened up a few in order to build up credit for a mortgage. Fast forward five years and I've got credit cards with 19% interest rates, large balances, and a nice expensive mortgage, all enriching the bankers. Credit cards have been wiped out with my side business income and the accounts have been closed, but man, the amount of money I wasted on interest really hurts. Lesson learned.
you're supposed to use credit cards and pay them off in full the same month. that accounts for the credit rating.

most new credit cards have a grace period of 12-18 months, interest free. what were you doing piling debt on them you couldn't pay off in (up to) 18 full months? that's called 'living beyond your means'. not the banker's fault.
2020-05-11 06:47:18
Jay
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uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I've never understood why people have credit card debt when they can just go to the bank and borrow the same money at 1/4 of the interest.
I was always anti-credit card and refused to have them. Then, following bankers advice, I opened up a few in order to build up credit for a mortgage. Fast forward five years and I've got credit cards with 19% interest rates, large balances, and a nice expensive mortgage, all enriching the bankers. Credit cards have been wiped out with my side business income and the accounts have been closed, but man, the amount of money I wasted on interest really hurts. Lesson learned.
you're supposed to use credit cards and pay them off in full the same month. that accounts for the credit rating.

most new credit cards have a grace period of 12-18 months, interest free. what were you doing piling debt on them you couldn't pay off in (up to) 18 full months? that's called 'living beyond your means'. not the banker's fault.
No, it's not their fault. I bought too much house up front expecting to grow into it financially, which has happened. In the meantime, some stuff like home repairs ended up going on credit. It's easy to say to yourself "ahh, I'll pay it off quickly" and drag around a balance. Shit happens. I'm not perfect.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 06:47:23
Larssen
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

interestingly enough, National Review has an article on its front page comparing the French response to the German Blitzkrieg to the Democrat response to "Wuhan virus".

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ … -for-2020/

"Blitzkrieg Lessons for 2020"
This is the first article of theirs I have ever read. The amount of sweeping statements, unsubstantiated off-hand remarks and sheer bullshittery is... wow
NR is a mainstream or center right magazine. Their articles are usually decent or at least not fake news. I hate it when they do articles like this though. I call it "historical abuse", using misusing history for modern politics.
So it's like the spectator then, a shit rag masquerading as well-researched writing.

Which seems to be a staple in modern conservative-nationalist politics. It's an intellectual wasteland really.

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2020-05-11 06:48:35
Jay
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Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Larssen wrote:


This is the first article of theirs I have ever read. The amount of sweeping statements, unsubstantiated off-hand remarks and sheer bullshittery is... wow
NR is a mainstream or center right magazine. Their articles are usually decent or at least not fake news. I hate it when they do articles like this though. I call it "historical abuse", using misusing history for modern politics.
So it's like the spectator then, a shit rag masquerading as well-researched writing.
It's an opinion magazine. It's equivalent to The Atlantic or Vox.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 06:50:59
Jay
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Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Larssen wrote:


This is the first article of theirs I have ever read. The amount of sweeping statements, unsubstantiated off-hand remarks and sheer bullshittery is... wow
NR is a mainstream or center right magazine. Their articles are usually decent or at least not fake news. I hate it when they do articles like this though. I call it "historical abuse", using misusing history for modern politics.
So it's like the spectator then, a shit rag masquerading as well-researched writing.

Which seems to be a staple in modern conservative-nationalist politics. It's an intellectual wasteland really.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ … consensus/
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 06:53:33
SuperJail Warden
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Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:


NR is a mainstream or center right magazine. Their articles are usually decent or at least not fake news. I hate it when they do articles like this though. I call it "historical abuse", using misusing history for modern politics.
So it's like the spectator then, a shit rag masquerading as well-researched writing.

Which seems to be a staple in modern conservative-nationalist politics. It's an intellectual wasteland really.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/ … consensus/
that article was shit too
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-05-11 07:05:51
uziq
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Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

NR is a mainstream or center right magazine. Their articles are usually decent or at least not fake news. I hate it when they do articles like this though. I call it "historical abuse", using misusing history for modern politics.
So it's like the spectator then, a shit rag masquerading as well-researched writing.
It's an opinion magazine. It's equivalent to The Atlantic or Vox.
the difference is that those 'opinion' magazines aren't closely associated with a nexus of shady shit like so-called 'think-tanks' and 'institutes', set-up to sway public opinion and grease politicians. the right 'new media' on the internet always has a filthy money trail. it's so transparently an organ for certain interests.

it's funny that right-wing people get frightened about chinese 'confucius institutes' but then see absolute sham things like 'The Buckley Legacy Project' or the 'National Review Institute' as somehow being 'prestige' or credible.

isn't vox like a college hipster version of vice?

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2020-05-11 07:17:54
Jay
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uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

So it's like the spectator then, a shit rag masquerading as well-researched writing.
It's an opinion magazine. It's equivalent to The Atlantic or Vox.
the difference is that those 'opinion' magazines aren't closely associated with a nexus of shady shit like so-called 'think-tanks' and 'institutes', set-up to sway public opinion and grease politicians. the right 'new media' on the internet always has a filthy money trail. it's so transparently an organ for certain interests.

it's funny that right-wing people get frightened about chinese 'confucius institutes' but then see absolute sham things like 'The Buckley Legacy Project' or the 'National Review Institute' as somehow being 'prestige' or credible.

isn't vox like a college hipster version of vice?
It goes both ways you know. Do you think "left wing" media is free from influence? Tom Steyer spends millions every year. Soros spends his money. Bezos bought the Washington Post. Bloomberg has spent a good chunk of his personal wealth on funding gun control think tanks and measures. You object to "right wing" media because of what? Koch Industries money? Please. Rather hypocritical isn't it?

Last edited by Jay (2020-05-11 07:21:05)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 07:32:18
RTHKI
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It's a lot more than Koch but yea
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
2020-05-11 07:44:01
SuperJail Warden
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:


It's an opinion magazine. It's equivalent to The Atlantic or Vox.
the difference is that those 'opinion' magazines aren't closely associated with a nexus of shady shit like so-called 'think-tanks' and 'institutes', set-up to sway public opinion and grease politicians. the right 'new media' on the internet always has a filthy money trail. it's so transparently an organ for certain interests.

it's funny that right-wing people get frightened about chinese 'confucius institutes' but then see absolute sham things like 'The Buckley Legacy Project' or the 'National Review Institute' as somehow being 'prestige' or credible.

isn't vox like a college hipster version of vice?
It goes both ways you know. Do you think "left wing" media is free from influence? Tom Steyer spends millions every year. Soros spends his money. Bezos bought the Washington Post. Bloomberg has spent a good chunk of his personal wealth on funding gun control think tanks and measures. You object to "right wing" media because of what? Koch Industries money? Please. Rather hypocritical isn't it?
Do you think three billionaires including the richest man in the world are representative of the left wing?
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-05-11 07:44:34
uziq
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

It's an opinion magazine. It's equivalent to The Atlantic or Vox.
the difference is that those 'opinion' magazines aren't closely associated with a nexus of shady shit like so-called 'think-tanks' and 'institutes', set-up to sway public opinion and grease politicians. the right 'new media' on the internet always has a filthy money trail. it's so transparently an organ for certain interests.

it's funny that right-wing people get frightened about chinese 'confucius institutes' but then see absolute sham things like 'The Buckley Legacy Project' or the 'National Review Institute' as somehow being 'prestige' or credible.

isn't vox like a college hipster version of vice?
It goes both ways you know. Do you think "left wing" media is free from influence? Tom Steyer spends millions every year. Soros spends his money. Bezos bought the Washington Post. Bloomberg has spent a good chunk of his personal wealth on funding gun control think tanks and measures. You object to "right wing" media because of what? Koch Industries money? Please. Rather hypocritical isn't it?
jay, i don't know what planet you're on, but the right-wing's influence and control over the media, lobbying, public opinions, etc., is far more effective than the left's. that's one of the reasons why the american 'mainstream' of political thought is so far to the right in comparison to europe's own programmes.

i know it's a pastime of the right-wing to continually talk in conspiratorial and paranoiac terms about 'the left', as if there's a vast insurrectionist fifth column at work in your nation, but, really, what real influence does the left wield in the states? zero to none. even bernie, a dyed-in-the-wool social democrat, centre-left by any normal estimation, has been squashed like a bug twice now by the 'realists' in the democratic party. there is no way that left-wing media are dictating discourse in the states.

the right have all the money and most of the power. jeff bezos is definitely a player on the other side, without question. but he is an exception rather than a rule. the oligarchs and press-men of the states are not socialists. who is more influential? the washpo or murdoch's fox news? who funnels more money into dictating american domestic politics? the koch(s) or soros? i mean, really.

to say nothing of the very explicitly political nexus of power around breitbart/bannon and their followers in the run-up to trump's being elected. they were practically kingmakers, similar to how (again murdoch-owned, or at least press-baron and aristocrat-owned) tabloid media anoint chosen prime ministers in the UK. the right pioneered the entire post-truth, tired-of-experts, alternative media landscape that flourished after the tea party moment.

it's actually a much-discussed subject on the left: how the right have seemingly without any resistance dominated the political terrain since the 1980s at least. they set the realms of the possible; that much-touted 'overton window'. neoliberalism and the triumphalism of its doctrine plainly attest to this fact: the contest is over, folks! even the most ardent left-crusader will admit that the right have been much more successful at harnessing new technologies, new media, and now increasingly big data to wield influence and power.

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2020-05-11 08:03:50
RTHKI
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Dark Money was a good read on this. Course it's easy discounted by "what about Soros"
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
2020-05-11 08:10:12
Jay
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uzi, Democrats consistently rake in more money than Republicans do.

In the 2016 elections, between Super PACs and direct donations, Democrats spent 2.4BN to 2.1BN. In 2018 elections, it was 2.2BN to 1.7BN. (Source: https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/se … cycle=2018) Setting aside the ridiculousness of spending $4 billion fucking dollars on political campaigns, you'll find the left are not underdogs by any means. Democrats are much better at threatening milker bills in congress because they've established their willingness to regulate. This is why they rake in such a tremendous amount of cash from Silicon Valley and Wall Street. Threaten regulation, stick your hand out, regulation disappears once the payoff is made. Because they politically control both California and New York, they do this on the regular.

The only advantage that the right wing has is that it A) has a rather consistent message and B) the talent is consolidated in a few news outlets rather than disbursed.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 08:11:22
Jay
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RTHKI wrote:

Dark Money was a good read on this. Course it's easy discounted by "what about Soros"
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08 … tions.html
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 08:18:27
uziq
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we're talking about different things, once again. piling together democrat super PACs and donations (the party of wall street) with 'left wing media' is really just a nonsense. it's pointless to even try and compare them meaningfully when you are grouping together inimical groups as some nebulous 'other side'. i don't think a Vox or The Atlantic are even really necessarily in agreement with half of the democrat 'super donors'. how did the liberal media treat bloomberg? mostly with amusement and derision. yet you're grouping all them together as the 'left wing' influence in the states. very bizarre.

also, though we surely are discussing disbursements of one kind or another, you mean to say 'dispersed'. the media are dispersed. and it would seem 'widely dispersed' to you, considering you are trying to group together left-wing thinking with the wall street journal.

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2020-05-11 08:24:15
SuperJail Warden
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anyway, how are we going to deal with the economic issues related to COVID? bars, restaurants, hotels etc. are going to have stunted growth. people are not going to feel safe sending their kids to school in september.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-05-11 08:34:21
Jay
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

anyway, how are we going to deal with the economic issues related to COVID? bars, restaurants, hotels etc. are going to have stunted growth. people are not going to feel safe sending their kids to school in september.
I dunno. People are fucking terrified right now.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 08:40:31
uziq
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the answer is by becoming more like the left.
2020-05-11 08:47:38
Larssen
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It's strange how the working class in the US has allowed itself to become so duped by the interest of the superrich. Jay, there are people out there who make your annual salary every second, the system more to their advantage than it ever will be in yours.
2020-05-11 08:58:46
Jay
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Larssen wrote:

It's strange how the working class in the US has allowed itself to become so duped by the interest of the superrich. Jay, there are people out there who make your annual salary every second, the system more to their advantage than it ever will be in yours.
Yeah? That's nice.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2020-05-11 09:09:45
SuperJail Warden
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I don't understand how someone can have 2 and a half kids and not support a stronger safety net even if it explicitly comes out of someone else's pocket. The one big reason why women tend to vote liberal is because they want a safety net to protect their children.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
2020-05-11 09:45:56
Jay
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Because anything you offer me will require raising my own taxes to pay for. I'd rather cut out the middleman and self fund.

Last edited by Jay (2020-05-11 09:52:12)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

 

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