uziq
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nearly 100 children in new york state have been diagnosed with kawasaki-syndrome-like symptoms, i.e. massive immune system response. 3 children have died, one a 5 year old. sounds bad. the entire assumption that children are safe to go to school and mix freely should be seriously questioned.

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SuperJail Warden
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Roy Horn, one-half of the popular Las Vegas animal and magic act Siegfried and Roy, died Friday of complications from the coronavirus, according to his publicist. He was 75.
This should have gotten bigger coverage than the death of Little Richard who I assumed was already dead. Seriously this news was buried half way down the CNN page.
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SuperJail Warden
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China are such liars. Of course that doesn't justify how bad our response was. But we won't fully be able to understand how this all unfolded if we can't trust China's information. Russia was lying too but they seem to change become more open about their crisis.
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uziq
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it unfolded in america by coming from europe. it got to italy from china. their internal handling doesn't really matter much beyond that. advance warnings were there but the global system didn't shut down enough to contain it. after that, countries' success has varied wildly depending on how seriously they track and trace, and lockdown.

i'm also very surprised that russia has done 5.5 million tests, when up until about a week ago they were all but totally ignoring it. maybe i'm missing some part of the picture with their supplies.

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SuperJail Warden
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NYC's infection may have had an Italian origin. There were cases that were linked to the China on the west coast.

Still their disinformation about their infections and deaths invites speculation and well more disinformation. Do you find it at all plausible that the most populous country in the world completely wiped out the disease meanwhile every other country in the world, big, and small are still going through exponential growth?
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

nearly 100 children in new york state have been diagnosed with kawasaki-syndrome-like symptoms, i.e. massive immune system response. 3 children have died, one a 5 year old. sounds bad. the entire assumption that children are safe to go to school and mix freely should be seriously questioned.
Three children out of 350 million is like 0.000000008571428571428571 though,  statistically speaking it'll probably be someone else's kid.

Kids die all the time, not really something to be crippling the economy for.
Get kids back to kindergarten!

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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Still their disinformation about their infections and deaths invites speculation and well more disinformation. Do you find it at all plausible that the most populous country in the world completely wiped out the disease meanwhile every other country in the world, big, and small are still going through exponential growth?
Its perfectly plausible, they followed the right approach very aggressvively and effectively.
The interesting part is that while they were welding their citizens into their apartments and dragging any cougher away for isolation they were aggressively protesting their right to travel to other countries without hindrance.
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SuperJail Warden
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They reopened the country and don't have a single case in the entirety of the country?
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uziq
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they have had lots of cases from reopening. Almost every single one of their cases reported through april were from people coming in from outside china.

it’s really pointless to question their ‘success’. the measures they implemented have worked there, and have worked pretty much everywhere else in the world that has implemented them early enough. as i said earlier, countries as politically and culturally various as new zealand, south korea, portugal, and now today greece are all lifting lockdowns and posting numbers in the low teens.

americans are mass protesting over having to follow arrows in department stores. you’ve just got to admit that your national culture is uniquely poorly equipped to deal with something like a pandemic. it requires massive collective action, and fast. meanwhile you’re all so lost in ‘rugged individualism’ and thinking about your next haircut that you’re now reopening in the midst of an escalating viral spread.

the sad fact is half of the american populace are like jay, on the choo choo trump train to their own make-believe reality. people who think the health service are rigging this for their own benefit. that people are cowards, and doctors and nurses are corrupt. that scientists are manipulating a cowed populace. that ‘so what?’ if hospitals get over-run and frontline staff ground down to exhaustion and sickness with the influx. even china, who stuffed rags down their doctor’s throats and disappeared several of them, has more respect for its medical professionals than that.

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uziq
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”We failed to protect our elderly. That’s really serious, and a failure for society as a whole.” Sweden’s government has apologised for not protecting older people, with 90% of the country’s Covid-19 deaths occurring in the over-70s.
meanwhile more yuuuuge success in sweden.

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Dilbert_X
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We'll find out in a few years who has had the real success, but I think it won't be America.

Here people were well ahead of government requirements in behaviour and asking why the govt was not locking down harder and sooner, not deliberately coughing over each other and food in supermarkets.
Incredibly its possible to be rugged individualists without being anti-social cunts. I don't know why Americans think the two are the same.

Sometimes I wish a few libertarians would exercise their liberty and ignore stop signs at level crossings.
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Larssen
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Don't you still have that idiot in charge who insisted on shaking that woman's hand who just lost her home to a bushfire

Evidently aus is not totally backwards but I don't think he's helping
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His only redeeming feature is he knows to let experts do their job, mostly.

Aus was well ahead of the curve and has done well, well ahead of most of Europe, despite the accusations of racism from China which no-one gives a shit about.
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uziq
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Before Covid-19 had been identified as a coronavirus, and when it was still being described as a “mystery pneumonia”, Taiwan brought in checks on passengers flying from Wuhan. These soon expanded to over 120 measures including strict quarantine, border controls, testing and contact tracing.

“We learned very harsh lessons from Sars and that experience is something other countries don’t have,” said Chan Chang-chuan, dean of National Taiwan University’s College of Public Health. To date, its Covid-19 death toll is six, despite its very close economic and cultural ties with mainland China, and a high volume of cross-border travel between the two.

South Korea endured Sars and has even more recent memories of a fatal coronavirus epidemic, after Mers (Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome) broke out there in 2015, killing 36 people. It began ramping up testing capacity from January, before the disease had arrived in force.

At one point the country had the highest number of cases outside mainland China, but its testing and careful contact tracing meant it was among the first and most successful countries in flattening the curve.
jay: what more could trump have done! the media are being so mean!
Dilbert_X
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If the US was getting intel reports back in December chances are Taiwan and Korea were too.
They acted, the US didn't.
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uziq
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yep, it really is that simple. months of inaction equals 100,000s dead.

meanwhile the UK is a grim corroboration of the same thing. 'herd immunity' for the first month, and now the worst stats in europe.

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Pochsy
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Why does bojo always look like he's not had a haircut for years. Like a shaggy teenager from the 80s or something. It's literally the easiest thing to fix  to not make him look like a muppet.
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uziq
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to be fair, for once in his entire public career, he does have a reason. no one here has had a haircut (unless done at home/self-adminstered) for ~8 weeks.
Pochsy
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fair enough. But surely the prime minister of the UK has a support staffperson capable of wielding a pair of scissors. I doubt he's doing it in solidarity with the struggling working man--he had the same mop prior to COVID.
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Larssen
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It's a conscious part of his image. If he looks like a bumbling idiot he'll always be able to play the underdog. It also makes him endearing to the working class.
uziq
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his mop of white hair was his trademark even at eton and oxford. let’s not blame the dupes in the working class. he’s a lovable rogue to the 50+ surrey homeowners and stockbrokers who make up the actual conservative party membership (and who elected him leader).
uziq
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seeing lots of stuff on the internet today about how people are resuming normal life, going shopping, etc without face masks. particularly in north america.

seems mass death is being normalised. the next 2 months will be very interesting.
Larssen
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There's definitely fatigue already and it's only been two months. I hope the leaders across the globe are aware that a second total lockdown will not be pretty.

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Larssen
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Well maybe it'll be the push the united states needs to reform its labour market and social services. It's insane that so many people have been forced to apply for unemployment benefits in such a short time.

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