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Jay wrote:

Larssen wrote:

Jay wrote:

Maybe. I can't really tell, honestly. The media here is roughly 90% left leaning and would treat any Republican in office with this sort of contempt and open questioning of intelligence etc. They did the same thing to Bush. I didn't vote for the guy, and the few times I've bothered to watch him, I get the "wtf did people pick him for?" vibe, but I also would get the same feeling from Biden or Clinton. It's been a particularly bad five years for politics in the US.

Do you purposefully avoid evaluating people in political office? Whenever the competence of your leadership is called into question you retreat into the defence that 'politics is partisan' and 'liberals hate him because he's republican'!

Meanwhile, he's the LEAST eloquent man to ever be elected to the presidency in its near 250 years of existence, peddles conspiracies and false information on the daily, engaged in trade wars damaging your industries, has ensured the rest of the world including your own allies hate his guts and don't trust the US anymore at all, is known to dismiss his own experts - I could go on. This is the most unintelligent, paranoid, senile stubborn asshole to hold political office in your lifetime and perhaps the history of your country. He even installs family and friends in powerful positions fuck sakes, making a mockery of your democracy through nepotism - his daughter once acting as a stand in during a meeting of world leaders.

I was stuck in Brussels during some of the summits and I can tell you there is no man more loathed than him. His utter incompetence is beyond infuriating when you're trying to manage several international crises where lives are at stake.

I don't care for Biden, he's not the president. Bush was an incompetent dickwad as well, but Trump is a whole new level of ignorant piece of shit. The republicans have trademarked imbecility and seem to revel in electing ever more spiteful boneheads.

You're forcing me to defend a guy I don't respect. The last interview I watched, he came across as not very bright. Agreed. But I was more turned off by the incessant "gotcha" type questions and complete disrespect from the media. It made me feel bad for Trump, not hate him.

trump has cultivated an antagonistic attitude towards the media.

you feel bad for him? he's just been humiliating journalists and disparaging them as 'mean people', 'mediocre', 'dishonest', etc. for years. it's a weekly occurrence in the white house press briefings.

i don't think there's any way you can place responsibility for the tone of press briefings on the press corps. trump very much set the tone (and even got elected) by promoting himself as 'anti-MSM'. he was mocking disabled reporters even on his election pedestal.

very telling that you feel sympathy for him.

For the first months Trump was calling it a Democrat hoax. Expert leadership there.

Jay, there is no defence. I can predict for you that some 20-30 years in the future no historian will be kind to Trump. I've met people who had been in public service for over 40 years, even with Nixon in the mix, saying they've never experienced anything like this. Our timeline is utterly bizarre. And it deeply worries anyone who's intimately familiar with politics at this level.

Trump is like a sort of Andrew Jackson, but older, dumber and without the sincere commitment to the common man or any comparable respect for democracy and its principles.

It is up to you as citizens to address the causes that led to the election of this guy or you'll end up with even worse in the future, if the trajectory from Reagan to Trump is to be followed.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-05-06 13:23:25)

Larssen wrote:

Jay, there is no defence. I can predict for you that some 20-30 years in the future no historian will be kind to Trump. I've met people who had been in public service for over 40 years, even with Nixon in the mix, saying they've never experienced anything like this. Our timeline is utterly bizarre. And it deeply worries anyone who's intimately familiar with politics at this level.

Trump is like a sort of Andrew Jackson, but older, dumber and without the sincere commitment to the common man or any comparable respect for democracy and its principles.

It is up to you as citizens to address the causes that led to the election of this guy or you'll end up with even worse in the future, if the trajectory from Reagan to Trump is to be followed.

Really though, you also have to take your own beliefs with a grain of salt. The media coverage in Europe is even more heavily biased against Republicans than our own is. If that is your source, you're not going to get a remotely balanced viewpoint.

You really don't understand America, how American politics works, or why we vote the way we do. There's a real blind spot because you only hear one side, and that one side is saying the other side is crazy all day long. Maybe, but probably not.

The current American political dynamic can be boiled down to snobbery, mostly. The sons and daughters of farmers in the Midwest go off to college, learn from their liberal professors, and then move to the big city while snubbing their home and dismissing their family and friends back home as provincial yokels. This is the stereotype, but it's true often enough that the stereotype exists. Some of those people make it into media, and they carry their pretensions with them. They write articles about the rubes back home with their hokey belief in God and their values and their un-sophistication. It doesn't go unnoticed. In fact, it's resented. No one likes a snob.

Long story short, the liberals on the coasts look down on the people living in the interior of the country and the south, and the people in those areas resent it, and it has gone on for so long that it has turned into hatred. If you tell your average midwesterner or southerner that voting for Trump will piss off the people on the coasts and upset the media, they will pull that lever with joy.

Now, the problem is, someone like you is going to look at that, and them, and dismiss them as stupid because of it. I'll tell you liberals did the exact same thing with Obama. He was weaponized vengeance. The coastal liberals got to elect a black man, pat themselves on the back for not being racist, and shove what they assumed would drive midwesterners crazy down their throats. Except it wasn't the fact that he was black that set them off, it was his socialist politics. The liberals were so focused on his skin color that they missed the very real arguments against his policies.

There's a lot of good, strong, thought on the conservative side in America. Most of it revolves around freedom, and paying your bills, and some of it does indeed involve religion, but it's mostly about not being a dick to others, and yes, owning the libs when they try to be condescending.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

You're forcing me to defend a guy I don't respect. The last interview I watched, he came across as not very bright. Agreed. But I was more turned off by the incessant "gotcha" type questions and complete disrespect from the media. It made me feel bad for Trump, not hate him.

trump has cultivated an antagonistic attitude towards the media.

you feel bad for him? he's just been humiliating journalists and disparaging them as 'mean people', 'mediocre', 'dishonest', etc. for years. it's a weekly occurrence in the white house press briefings.

i don't think there's any way you can place responsibility for the tone of press briefings on the press corps. trump very much set the tone (and even got elected) by promoting himself as 'anti-MSM'. he was mocking disabled reporters even on his election pedestal.

very telling that you feel sympathy for him.

Maybe he is a stable genius if he can evoke sympathy

you're so lost that you really think you're 'winning' when you have a country where the executive branch doesn't speak to the media. where the president cares more about tv ratings and his ego than the health of the country. where the white house insiders live in their own bubble, go on their own stats, and throw 10,000s of american lives into a mass grave.

you think you're really one step ahead of the game because of the widespread degradation of your institutions? i don't know how you can be a 'traditional conservative' or an 'enlightenment liberal' and gloat over the dismantling of your state and press, and their relations. it is not a good situation for your country.

uziq wrote:

Except it wasn't the fact that he was black that set them off, it was his socialist politics.

yep, sure, the republican right were sent into a frenzy over obama and it had nothing to do with his skin colour at all.

your current president was a prominent 'birther' ffs.

and obama's 'socialist' politics. right

You can believe me, or not, it really doesn't matter. I live here. I see both sides.

It's interesting that right wing sources are trying to shift as much of the blame on China as possible. They are talking about confronting China like it would be an unifying national project. Good luck with that. This isn't 2001 anymore. Americans are too aware that their fellow countrymen are a bigger threat to their health and happiness than the Chinese. There is an equal or probably greater amount of Americans who would be willing to die fighting Trump than they would be willing to die fighting the Chinese. China could straight up sink an aircraft carrier and it still wouldn't be worth sending young people to go fight them.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

It's interesting that right wing sources are trying to shift as much of the blame on China as possible. They are talking about confronting China like it would be an unifying national project. Good luck with that. This isn't 2001 anymore. Americans are too aware that their fellow countrymen are a bigger threat to their health and happiness than the Chinese. There is an equal or probably greater amount of Americans who would be willing to die fighting Trump than they would be willing to die fighting the Chinese. China could straight up sink an aircraft carrier and it still wouldn't be worth sending young people to go fight them.

#Resist amirite?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

It's interesting that right wing sources are trying to shift as much of the blame on China as possible. They are talking about confronting China like it would be an unifying national project. Good luck with that. This isn't 2001 anymore. Americans are too aware that their fellow countrymen are a bigger threat to their health and happiness than the Chinese. There is an equal or probably greater amount of Americans who would be willing to die fighting Trump than they would be willing to die fighting the Chinese. China could straight up sink an aircraft carrier and it still wouldn't be worth sending young people to go fight them.

#Resist amirite?

I think the black guy that got gunned down by the truckers is good proof of my point.

Proof of what?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

I think the black guy that got gunned down by the truckers is good proof of my point.

Proof of what?

That many Americans would be stupid to fight for a country (USA) that provides little material comfort or has outright contempt for them?
https://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?p … 9#p3967309

Goes both ways. You show open contempt every day.

jfc

Pochsy wrote:

Jay wrote:

And I gotta say, on average, your typical black person is way more racist than a typical white person.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Lead by example.

Do unto other as you would have them do unto you.

And other associated cliches that fit why it's not a great thing to justify racism.

I'm not justifying any racism. I'm just saying that if macbeth wants to take up that standard and use it to browbeat his opponents he's gotta get his own house in order first.

I knew you were pulling a long con with that cuck nonsense