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it's been 10 days and for about 7 of those nothing has actually happened. people weren't sitting shivah at home, all in black, silently weeping. people went to work. people went out and socialised.

the people who wanted to pay their respects had a chance to do so. as a proportion of the population they are pretty small. i don't know a single person who queued to see the queen lying in state in edinburgh or london, and most of my social network live in london. your average briton is probably as perplexed and slightly annoyed at the wall-to-wall media coverage and lack of football on the telly as you would be.

it's been great fun in the last 10 days, actually, poking fun at the usual pile-on from the corporate sector. lots of very dubious 'tributes' and things done 'out of respect for QEII's passing'. a bit like when companies and their marketing dept's try to do something perfunctory for pride week or black history month or whatever. people have a sense of humour about it; they know it's a load of cynical bollocks.

it's possible that the media's long-planned operation about these things has given a distorted picture. the BBC has been duty-bound to stay thin-lipped and dressed in black for the entire period, and the whole show has been meticulously planned and laboured over for literally a decade. it's probably been the most-orchestrated media spectacle in modern history, british or otherwise. so the media class are very pious and devout in their shows of grief; this is their show and their moment to shine. your average briton has not been going around dabbing a handkerchief at their eyes for 10 days, or watching the footage for 10 hours a day.

Last edited by uziq (2022-09-19 16:27:33)

so you understand the concept of getting upset over parasocial relationships with people who could not give less of a shit about you, personally.

good-o.

i've tried to explain why people might feel it as an appropriate occasion for shows of grief. covid-19 has a big part of it, lots of repressed grief. in general she embodied a certain principle of emotional control and the 'stiff upper lip': and this is an occasion to do it all over.

if i feel sentimental or sad it's just in recognition that the 2nd elizabethan age is properly over. and i doubt the UK will cohere or exist for much longer as an entity. she was the final chapter in a long stretch of our history. and we had a pretty good run. well, that inspires finer feelings than 'hybrid theory'.

the linkin park singer put out bangers and also signed autographs. the queen never took selfies with her fans.



the queen was an uncaring distant god. chester bennington died for our sins.

US flag was actually at half staff since the 8th.

A lot of mac's pigmen grumble about the flag being lowered for reasons they're unaware of. It's probably easier to just tell them it's for 9/11.

uziq wrote:

My life is not impacted in any way by the death of a royal in the UK. It seems absurd to waste so much time talking about it.

well, sure, but it's been more than half a century and the media are still churning lachrymose content about JFK.

americans are not immune to recognising these pivotal, if only symbolic, moments in your history.

QEII dying reminds us of a generalised decline in the same way that, say, the vietnam war evokes feelings in americans. on the long slide to senescence.

Cool story, bro.

You do you. I really couldn't care less if people want to mourn or queue or publicly cry or use it as an excuse to get shit-faced.

My first comment was more towards Mac, but reading how this stupid queen discussion is spilling into every thread like pretty much any topic of interest, I understand how you could think i was calling you out.

Also, seeing 3 new comments made 2 mins after I commented reminds me of the halcyon days of bf2s.

When this site goes down, I think I'll take PTO and hit the local bar for a 12oz cup of beer or two. Our King Jeff Minard deserves it.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

uziq wrote:

My life is not impacted in any way by the death of a royal in the UK. It seems absurd to waste so much time talking about it.

well, sure, but it's been more than half a century and the media are still churning lachrymose content about JFK.

americans are not immune to recognising these pivotal, if only symbolic, moments in your history.

QEII dying reminds us of a generalised decline in the same way that, say, the vietnam war evokes feelings in americans. on the long slide to senescence.

Cool story, bro.

You do you. I really couldn't care less if people want to mourn or queue or publicly cry or use it as an excuse to get shit-faced.

My first comment was more towards Mac, but reading how this stupid queen discussion is spilling into every thread like pretty much any topic of interest, I understand how you could think i was calling you out.

"I really couldn't care less if people want to mourn or queue or publicly cry or use it as an excuse to get shit-faced."

well this is all i'm trying to explain. people find excuses for such things all the time, and for much less.

you'd have to be semi-autistic to claim not to understand why people partake in these collective expressions of grief, or catharsis, or whatever.

the british state isn't the only one that operates this way. and, trust me, the world is tired of america's collective emotional incontinences, too. let us have our fuckin' day, man!

SuperJail Warden wrote:

An infant rolling around on the floor in the U.K. will grow up bemused by the attachment some people had to the queen.

i'm totally fine with that. that's healthy and good.

but she was the last leader and the last public figure to be a living link to the post-war settlement. arguably our greatest moment, for republicans and monarchists alike, i.e. the creation of the social democratic welfare state. lots to admire and look back on fondly – or rue and want to reconstruct.

my grandparents were of her generation. collective grief works that way. i am not moved by the death of queen victoria, dude.

uziq wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

uziq wrote:

well, sure, but it's been more than half a century and the media are still churning lachrymose content about JFK.

americans are not immune to recognising these pivotal, if only symbolic, moments in your history.

QEII dying reminds us of a generalised decline in the same way that, say, the vietnam war evokes feelings in americans. on the long slide to senescence.

Cool story, bro.

You do you. I really couldn't care less if people want to mourn or queue or publicly cry or use it as an excuse to get shit-faced.

My first comment was more towards Mac, but reading how this stupid queen discussion is spilling into every thread like pretty much any topic of interest, I understand how you could think i was calling you out.

"I really couldn't care less if people want to mourn or queue or publicly cry or use it as an excuse to get shit-faced."

well this is all i'm trying to explain. people find excuses for such things all the time, and for much less.

you'd have to be semi-autistic to claim not to understand why people partake in these collective expressions of grief, or catharsis, or whatever.

the british state isn't the only one that operates this way. and, trust me, the world is tired of america's collective emotional incontinences, too. let us have our fuckin' day, man!

Haven't checked discogs but are her recordings hitting any astronomical play thresholds on spotify? That's how you measure a legacy, baby!

Hmm. Think about the prince's headspace for a moment. You just banged out the queen of England in her giant fancy bedroom.

Worked up an appetite? Take a shower and order some room service.

"Leave it by the door chaps."

I'd commission a royal cod piece, probably. Batman ain't got shit on me!

are royalists also meant to have the sexual prudishness of 1840s victorians, or am i missing the bit?

her sister was well known in Society for being a total man-eater.

Last edited by uziq (2022-09-19 17:35:43)

she was very popular in her time. the idea that you can trigger a person who is sentimental over the queen by mentioning sex is about as misguided as all of your other notions about brits' attitudes.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/20t … am-carter/

Maybe one day we can get a Queen Thot

she lived an exemplary life according to her devout christian faith. which is ironic, considering your own lack of control and seminal leakings are causing you so much grief and such a crisis of conscience that you're in therapy. why are you making fun of a person who lived a life of self-control and probity again? shouldn't she be a role model to a fake catholic who is conflicted over his sexual licentiousness and poor impulse control?

is that what all this is? a big act of projection on your part because lizzie had her shit together, and held it down, for 70 years, and you can't last a 6 week holiday?

Last edited by uziq (2022-09-19 17:42:09)