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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Fuck that and fuck bullfights. Do you also want to swing cats around by the tail? Could add that to fantasizing about feeding dogs poisoned glass shard meatballs.
you can go to pamplona or similar without attending the bull fight. a lot of these places are podunk towns that rely on seasonal tourism and general gawking. 

with that said, hemingway et al. have a lot to answer for with their bullshit. there’s nothing virile or heroic about the spanish bull traditions. about half a dozen guys weaken a scared animal for 2 hours and then a ponce dressed like Nelson comes out in tights and sticks it in the neck. very heroic.

‘tradition’. yeah, like stoning women is a tradition in certain places. certain shit should be left behind.

spain is the most third-world part of the european peninsula. most tourists there have no clue about the good bits. many good places in spain-portugal but none to do with beach resorts (a fascist invention of a cash-strapped franco govt) and over-promoted cattle harassment.

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I think awhile back California was going to ban it entirely but the PoRtUgUesE CoMmUnItY put up a stink so I guess there are exceptions now? That shit and rodeos and nonsense like canned pigeon shoots, etc. should have been banned before the turn of the century. Fostering a bunch of psychopaths.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Has anyone ever done or know somebody who did the running of the bulls in Spain? I was looking at tour packages for the event. Really expensive and also sold out a year in advance. I guess it is really that popular.
I ran with the bulls in Pamplona in 2016.

There's no need to get a tour package. It's free. Would never do it again. Not only is it extremely dangerous, Pamplona turns into a 24 hour shit show for the whole San Fermin festival.
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Canary Islands and Catalonia have banned bullfighting. Should be banned everywhere imo.
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Bullfighting is disgusting.
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You know, being at the top of corporate or government hierarchy in a position with policy responsibility can really fucking suck.

My department has to manage several hundreds (if not thousands) of stakeholders and interest groups from the private sector, other public sector offices, non profits, academics, universities etc. because we develop and manage strategies with wide ranging and long term implications across sectors. Strategies and plans all those aformentioned parties will have/are required to play their part in. Sometimes, or rather almost all the time, some stakeholders are not satisfied about the process, the extent of their involvement and/or direction in which things are moving. In those moments it feels like you've got a bullseye painted on your head while they're all in line to throw either darts or other objects at you. People just love to complain upwards. On the other end you'll have some stressed the fuck out cabinet minister who when the cameras are turned off will throw shit downward, so to speak.

Of course, most stakeholders are rarely directly insulting when things don't go their way, but they will deliver their feedback in a manner that implicitly tells you that your work sucks, that you're not listening to them, that you suck and fuck you - basically. They may also be directly insulting to junior colleagues when they can get away with it. Anyway, most of it is worded in seemingly professional, passable e-mails, sometimes including your boss / CEO in the cc to 'get the message across' (telltale sign of attempt at escalation/reprimand). I've also seen grown 50 year old men and women behave like ill-tempered children in a meeting.

It doesn't help if the stakeholders in question exhibit some narcissist tendencies - there's a few workaholic tenured professors in the academic stakeholder group who juggle that role with half a dozen other lobbying functions that'll send us emails every once in a while to tell us that X topic is incredibly important and we should immediately get to working on it, see for reference their latest published article on that subject. I imagine if you're following one of their courses the entire reading list will be composed of their own published work.

Anyway, here you are in between all those assholes, always having to act the better person and initiate attempts at conflict resolution or more "stakeholder engagement" to smooth things over. If it gets bad you'll have to confront them on their behaviour which really is much like talking to an ill behaved child. But, in a way that amounts to a respectful tut-tut, so as to not hurt the man or woman-baby's feelings and to avoid embarrassing them.

On a personal level I loathe a good few of them tbh. I also suspect most have horrible personal lives / neglect their families. Wouldn't surprise me.

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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Has anyone ever done or know somebody who did the running of the bulls in Spain? I was looking at tour packages for the event. Really expensive and also sold out a year in advance. I guess it is really that popular.
I ran with the bulls in Pamplona in 2016.

There's no need to get a tour package. It's free. Would never do it again. Not only is it extremely dangerous, Pamplona turns into a 24 hour shit show for the whole San Fermin festival.
you figured out the entire show is for spaniards watching tourists get mauled by bulls hehe
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Larssen wrote:

TLDR
People = Pain

Just don't take it personally.
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uziq
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you could always leave the rat-race and just decide to do something else ... ?

it doesn't sound like you're facing precarity or homelessness. i don't understand why well-educated graduates with valuable job experience persist in careers that they find soul-destroying or meaningless?

take a few years off? write a book? travel and do fieldwork? i don't know what to say to you.

people get caught in a death spiral of complaining endlessly about their own situation as if they're enslaved to their roles. you can write a resignation letter any time, you know.
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It's just a rant. 90% of the time I truly enjoy what I do and I'm fine sticking around for another year.  The other 10% I just have to put up with. I also don't think it's possible to find a job that's 100% fun tbh
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for what it's worth a huge proportion of my peers changed careers or retrained in their early 30s, normally after a decade or so in london chasing the corporate rat-race, whether it was financial, management consultancy, HR, PR, thinktanks and comms, etc. that world just really isn't that fun and a lot of it does fall-in with graeber's characterisation of 'bullshit jobs'.

there's no such thing as a job that's 100% enjoyable. but there's such a thing as a work-life balance and having a job that doesn't leave you irritable, stressed, and ready to rant, y'know?
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I moved from consultancy into government in my late 20s (will be 31 soon). We also start our careers a little later as it's the norm to pursue a postgraduate degree first. To be honest I've always been a little dumbfounded at the notion that you've got some 21-23 year olds making 6 figures in the states when they know jack shit. Or similar age groups in London working for top law firms and such.

Anyway I'm not in a bullshit job - which is why we're juggling so many (activist) stakeholders. People care, sometimes a little too much, but the work can be pretty rewarding.

Anyway I won't stick around for more than another year. There's no interesting opportunities for growth beyond where I'm at. The benefit is that the huge network will set me up for a next step, I've got some interesting offers here and there. Could possibly move to the USA for a few years and make enough bank to retire in my mid-late 30s or move to a more specialised position somewhere else where I'm no longer in the middle of 'the rat race'. Not sure yet.
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all my friends did postgraduate degrees first. we're not hoi polloi ffs.

young lawyers in london don't make that much. the 'do law in london' thing is a trope like 'do computer science'. market has been over-saturated for about 12 years now and is badly out of date. your average law graduate is scraping to even get a job as a paralegal working a photocopier and filing cabinet.

you work for the EU? you're in a bullshit job. sorry. next global recession is ending your little centrist dream.

move on. sell your body. i recommend onlyfans.  another life is possible!
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uziq wrote:

all my friends did postgraduate degrees first. we're not hoi polloi ffs.

young lawyers in london don't make that much. the 'do law in london' thing is a trope like 'do computer science'. market has been over-saturated for about 12 years now and is badly out of date. your average law graduate is scraping to even get a job as a paralegal working a photocopier and filing cabinet.

you work for the EU? you're in a bullshit job. sorry. next global recession is ending your little centrist dream.

move on. sell your body. i recommend onlyfans.  another life is possible!
Yeah it surprised me when I learned that salaries in london were pretty bad in most places until you hit senior or mid management. I think most people struggle to make ends meet even with good jobs considering the rent and living costs in that city.

As for law, like with consultancy it kind of depends on the firm. Though you'd have to be one of the lucky dozen of people that gets hired at the right place that pays well out of a literal sea of graduates.

My job is nice but a bit of a hamster wheel. How's freelancing working out for you?

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Cybargs wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Has anyone ever done or know somebody who did the running of the bulls in Spain? I was looking at tour packages for the event. Really expensive and also sold out a year in advance. I guess it is really that popular.
I ran with the bulls in Pamplona in 2016.

There's no need to get a tour package. It's free. Would never do it again. Not only is it extremely dangerous, Pamplona turns into a 24 hour shit show for the whole San Fermin festival.
you figured out the entire show is for spaniards watching tourists get mauled by bulls hehe
Within 10 seconds of the run starting I saw some fat old Spanish dude do a header into the concrete to avoid a bull.
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I saw a video where a bull accidently slide while chasing someone and went head first into the wall. The bull got knocked out and went stiff and fell for a moment before it got back up to keep going.
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That happened to me. Bull crashed into the barrier right in front of me. Caused a human pile up as everyone stopped suddenly behind the bull. My friend bear-hugged me and pulled me out of the scrum and then we continued into the stadium.

The bull looked unaffected and just got back up and started running again.

The ground is cobblestone and constantly hosed down (see above comment about 24 hour shit show) so there's a high likelihood of slippage.
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Ton, we should go to the running of the bulls next year.
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Honestly, screw running with the bulls just as much as the bullfights. A prelude to the bullfights, terrorizing the bulls with pyrotechnics and throngs of screaming humans. It's a lot of animal to slip and and twist down a bunch of narrow streets, and far from being "just fine" they can sustain injuries and even broken bones in the process. With how interconnected the two events are, I don't get how a person could be fine with one but not the other.

There's also the more human-centric element of the "shit show." A city overloaded with drunken, violent louts and spikes in sexual assault. A matching show of debauchery for events leading up to a man standing over a pummeled, bleeding, frightened, exhausted animal, and demanding applause for stabbing it to death.

Fuck. That. Shit.

And fuck the tourists who help keep it alive.
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There is a style of bull fighting where they don't kill the bull. Is that okay or still animal abuse? Are all rodeos animal abuse?
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I don't know, do you think being shocked in the testicles could be a form of abuse? Rodeos are infamous for lying about animal injuries, reassuring the crowd that a horse with a floppy, broken leg is just fine as they drag it onto a trailer to go be killed somewhere. There's a rather huge network of rabbit holes you could go down in terms of largely-overlooked-by-the-public farm and sports abuses of animals if you've the stomach for it.

Where does your nugget meat come from, do you know? What are the conditions like there? Why all these ag-gag laws popping up if there are no harrowing abuses for undercover activists to report? The industry's reputation should be perfectly safe.

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sociopathy club, great after-school activity:

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this is child abuse

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