did he also reveal how he'd come by that info?He [Navalny] revealed...
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
So basically we can't quote any sources because you don't trust the media, again you're the equivalent of a flat earther, just stick you're fingers in your ears and go "lalallalalala!!!".
Literally pointless you even posting on this, because you believe it's all made up and nothing will convince you otherwise. And anything anyone says posts, you will either find and excuse for, or simply dismiss out of hand.
Anyway some interesting points have emerged this planed sightseeing trip was so long in the planning they booked the flights at 8pm the day before they flew, and booked 2 different lots of return flights.
Also some interesting details on one of the passports:
https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1 … 2193150976
Literally pointless you even posting on this, because you believe it's all made up and nothing will convince you otherwise. And anything anyone says posts, you will either find and excuse for, or simply dismiss out of hand.
Anyway some interesting points have emerged this planed sightseeing trip was so long in the planning they booked the flights at 8pm the day before they flew, and booked 2 different lots of return flights.
Also some interesting details on one of the passports:
https://twitter.com/bellingcat/status/1 … 2193150976
I love when Shahter comes, its so active here again
How did this guy come to be worth about GBP100m in about three years?uziq wrote:
we’ve had expenses scandals here, sure, and i’m sure a few MPs get taken out for dinner against the rules or offer to sit on a board they shouldn’t. however, we certainly don’t have a caste of oligarchs and mega-rich power players who cannot explain where their money came from please don’t even try and compare western and post-soviet corruption. it’s not exactly controversial to discuss the corporate-mafia days of russia after the collapse of the union.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
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By screwing Rupert Murdoch's wife?
ex-head of state parlays political retirement into multi-million pound career in corruption shocker! that’s like saying obama was corrupt during his time in office, haha.Dilbert_X wrote:
How did this guy come to be worth about GBP100m in about three years?uziq wrote:
we’ve had expenses scandals here, sure, and i’m sure a few MPs get taken out for dinner against the rules or offer to sit on a board they shouldn’t. however, we certainly don’t have a caste of oligarchs and mega-rich power players who cannot explain where their money came from please don’t even try and compare western and post-soviet corruption. it’s not exactly controversial to discuss the corporate-mafia days of russia after the collapse of the union.
you are an obtuse fuck. stop pretending like your average MP for high wycombe is going to have anywhere near as much embezzlement and malfeasance as a russian politician. jesus christ.
Shahter wrote:
you shouldn't look at any media atm to get ideas about politics. journalism as a means of getting objective information - or, for that matter, even honest opinions - to people is dead in the world of global capitalism.uziq wrote:
you're right. we should look at the russian media to get a good idea about political opposition. western media definitely don't fact check!
edit: quote.
forgot i was talking to a 14 year old emo teenager.
guess i’ll take your advice and ignore every working journalist professional in the world and every news agency. the truth resides in a ruskie on the street with a handy grasp of anecdote and a sentimental attachment to communism/bag full of tired student clichés about ‘capitalism’s evils’.
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it's just malfeasance for malfeasance..es sake
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7-TGc18wXk)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7-TGc18wXk)
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 … ks-defence
you cannot seriously still deny this at this point
you cannot seriously still deny this at this point
The Russian Foreign Ministry have said the only way Bellingcat could have got this information is via hacking, or paying of an insider, basically confirming that it's accurate...uziq wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/15/documents-show-novichok-salisbury-suspects-alexander-petrov-ruslan-boshirov-links-defence
you cannot seriously still deny this at this point
"uncovered by investigative journalists"... investigave who? ah, "journalists". you mean people who get paid to report whatever those paying them want reported? k.uziq wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/15/documents-show-novichok-salisbury-suspects-alexander-petrov-ruslan-boshirov-links-defence
you cannot seriously still deny this at this point
source? can't find any direct reference to anything like that in any media - western or russian - only "they said"'s.coke wrote:
The Russian Foreign Ministry have said the only way Bellingcat could have got this information is via hacking, or paying of an insider
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
nothing about russian foreign ministry saying anything about hacking and stuff there.uziq wrote:
https://theins.ru/politika/117161
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
the guardian said that when they called the number detailed on the documents, a clerk answered and said he would not be discussing anything with journalists. sure, i guess, if you think the guardian are a news organisation that will fabricate complete lies and fantasy (in the service of a government/prime minister they are almost always in opposition to, politically speaking), then ok ...
it's pretty hard to go any further when you say 'where is the evidence, where is the motive', and there has literally been reams of the stuff reported. we have cctv footage, we have the physical evidence, we have the crimescene/crime reenactment, we even now have fake passports and probable proof of fake identities ... all this is a big coincidence, surely. conspiracy? with your approach to facts, the paranoiac razor cuts all the way down.
it's pretty hard to go any further when you say 'where is the evidence, where is the motive', and there has literally been reams of the stuff reported. we have cctv footage, we have the physical evidence, we have the crimescene/crime reenactment, we even now have fake passports and probable proof of fake identities ... all this is a big coincidence, surely. conspiracy? with your approach to facts, the paranoiac razor cuts all the way down.
at this point the alienation and distrust levels between the west and russia are such that any media can get away with pretty much anything imo. we are, basically, back to cold war times in that regard (and fast approaching other stuff of that period, unfortunately). you don't speak russian i suppose, and can't judge for yourself, but trust me - what's happeneing in your media is mirrored almost exactly on our side, only turned upside down. so yes, the only way to try and figure anything out, imo, is to go to the very basic level and start from there. when somebody explains to me why the heck would putin need to kill poor wretch like skripal in the most ridiculous way imaginable we'll talk. and no, "he's barking mad" is not it.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
the difference is that our media are characterised by relatively high levels of press freedom and reporter independence, whereas yours is described by multi-national, independent press organisations as being one of the least free presses in the world, and you have wikipedia articles about dozens of journalists being killed and assassinated. but sure, it's a 'mirror' situation.
spare me this bullshit, would you kindly. there can be no press freedom anywhere in the world of glodal capitalism - none whatsoever.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
back with the 14-year-old 'capitalism is evil' rhetoric, i see. you do realise there are not-for-profit, volunteer organisations, right?
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i do. how many among mass media companies are of that type?uziq wrote:
you do realise there are not-for-profit, volunteer organisations, right?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
you do realise that the organisation that declared russia's media as being very unfree are a not-for-profit and volunteer-based organisation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders
same as the two organisations that leaked that information about the assassin's identities and their ties to GRU. those investigative reporters are not in the 'pay' of anyone, you moron.
https://www.bellingcat.com/about/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders
same as the two organisations that leaked that information about the assassin's identities and their ties to GRU. those investigative reporters are not in the 'pay' of anyone, you moron.
https://www.bellingcat.com/about/
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Shahter wrote:
how many among mass media companies are of that type?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
This should have happened in dst
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Anything Russian belongs in the Junk Drawer
They tweeted it on the official Russian Foreign ministry twitterShahter wrote:
nothing about russian foreign ministry saying anything about hacking and stuff there.uziq wrote:
https://theins.ru/politika/117161
coke wrote:
They tweeted it on the official Russian Foreign ministry twitterShahter wrote:
nothing about russian foreign ministry saying anything about hacking and stuff there.uziq wrote:
https://theins.ru/politika/117161
i think i know what you talking about now. it's the post by zakharova in which she was moking bellingcat with their capabilities of digging up official info, right?coke wrote:
The Russian Foreign Ministry have said the only way Bellingcat could have got this information is via hacking, or paying of an insider, basically confirming that it's accurate...
i'm affraid i have to dissapoint you - you've been had by your awsm objective media once again. or they simply couldn't have been assed to propertly translate the message - that happened before too. in any case, she didn't say anything like you mentioned at all.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.