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unnamednewbie13
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War movies of course have never glorified violence or been used to bolster recruitment to help keep countries in stock of willing volunteers to go murder people in other countries.

Comic book massacres aren't dumbing down readership at all.

No, Scarface is the problem here.
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Defending the nation - In the public interest

Sociopaths murdering random people - Not in the public interest
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unnamednewbie13
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I'm not 100% convinced that some of the conflicts in recent history have been specifically about "defending the nation." I have, however, seen army guy movies thoughtlessly glorify bloodshed. They could easily share a spot on the shelf next to slasher fare.

Lighting a city on fire I guess is more moralistic than a criminal shooting another criminal. Good choice.
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When did Britain or Australia last fight a war of aggression?

Given that pretty well all of America's wars have been about hegemony you have a point about American films.
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*cough* emu war *cough*
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Emus started it.
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

When did Britain or Australia last fight a war of aggression?

Given that pretty well all of America's wars have been about hegemony you have a point about American films.
wtf. we literally invaded iraq and afghanistan.

several blockbuster movies have been made about these wars.

even your insane loony arguments aren’t thought out properly.

how many impressionable young people are recruited into the army because of its public media image? adverts? movies, games, constant glorification in public?

the same armed forces that just went to war in two culpably illegal conflicts, you mean? 300,000 dead iraqis?

how many impressionable young people joined the mafia over the sopranos?

for fuck sake it’s like trying to reason with an eel.
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One thing the army and gangs have in common here is they sometimes recruit with a pathway out of poverty as the prize.

Imagine joining the Australian army just to get beaten by a bunch of emus.
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Britain and Australia were fooled into supporting the US and their hegemonic wars, sometimes this happens to gullible allies.
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both armed forces committed war crimes and atrocities. you can't blame big evil USA for everything.

the UK deployed its most notorious and bellicose paratrooper unit to helmand on an 'alliance-building' mission, knowing they had a reputation for violence. a troop captain was sentenced to prison for murder, the first time a member of the armed forces on active duty has been sentenced in this way since WW2. guess that was america's fault.

australia's special forces have been involved in so many controversies for their slayings and pig behaviour, you don't need to be reminded of it.

when is someone going to stop poisoning the minds of our young men with all these war movies and video-games? clearly it's having a deleterious effect.

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This is great and all but the soldiers didn't send themselves into war, and I'm sure soldiers have been violent since before TV

Promoting Sicilian peasant mobsterism as a lifestyle choice on TV is not a good thing however you look at it.
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uziq
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haven't sicilian mobsters been violent since before tv?

come on, think really hard! take a breath! we know you can do it!
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Yes, yes they have, is promoting peasant criminality in a modern country something that should really be done?

I can't think of a war film which glorifies sadistic killing of innocent people over trifles, ego battles, profit etc whereas thats in pretty well every mafia film and TV show ever made.

Not sure why the mafia get a free pass, where are the TV shows looking at things from the perspective of a conflicted SS officer?
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you always seem to want more sympathy for nazis in your counter-factuals ... a little bit odd and conspicuous. it's practically a form of argument for you now. 'but what about the nazis?'

the sopranos does not 'promote peasant criminality in a modern country'. watch the show. lmao.
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Chase had been fascinated by organized crime and the mafia from an early age, witnessing such people growing up. He also was raised on classic gangster films such as The Public Enemy and the crime series The Untouchables. The series is partly inspired by the Richard Boiardo family, a prominent New Jersey organized crime family when Chase was growing up, and partly on New Jersey's DeCavalcante family.
Jackie's brother Richie Aprile is released from prison, proving to be uncontrollable in the business arena. He starts a relationship with Janice, Tony's sister, who has arrived from Seattle. "Big Pussy" returns to New Jersey after a conspicuous absence.

Christopher Moltisanti becomes engaged to his girlfriend Adriana La Cerva. Matthew Bevilaqua and Sean Gismonte, two low-level associates dissatisfied with their perceived lack of success in the Soprano crew, try to make a name for themselves by attempting to kill Christopher. Their plan fails and Christopher kills Sean, but Christopher is critically wounded. Tony and Big Pussy locate Matthew and kill him. A witness goes to the FBI and identifies Tony.

Junior is placed under house arrest as he awaits trial. Richie, frustrated with Tony's authority over him, entreats Junior to have Tony killed. Junior feigns interest, then informs Tony of Richie's intentions, leaving Tony with another problem to address. However, the situation is defused unexpectedly when Janice kills Richie in a violent argument; Tony and his men conceal all evidence of the murder, and Janice returns to Seattle.

Tony, realizing Big Pussy is an FBI informant, kills him on board a boat (with assistance from Silvio Dante and Paulie Gualtieri), disposing of his body at sea.
Doesn't promote peasant criminality at all, its just about a regular family guy with issues.

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uziq
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the sopranos ironises all of that classic gangster source material. that's what chase is doing with his 'childhood fascination'. not 'glorifying', not 'promoting'. the entire point of the series is that it takes apart that genre, with its gangster cliches and masculinity.

jesus christ. imagine needing to have the sopranos explained to you in 2021. the show is 20 years old.

imagine thinking you understand a show and arguing against the common opinion using wikipedia synopses.

fucking lollllllll

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imagine watching this and thinking it glorifies being a gangster and promotes violence. imagine lacking that much of a sense of humour.

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So being a vicious criminal is 'ironic' now? I'm sure the average idiot takes that on board

These stupid gangster shows spawn more stupid copy cat gangster shows.



Ooh isn't he a dark moody complicated anti-hero, all the guys want to be him, all the girls want him.
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violence appears in many forms of media. it can be slapstick, comedic, black-comic, farcical, tragi-comic, noirish ... it doesn't have to be vicious and nihilistic, dilbert.

you seem to have no problem watching comic book movies that frequently feature city-wide devastation, the erasure of all life as we know it, fighting scenes, terrorist plots involving bombs, hostage taking, car chases, death scenes, etc. etc. is it portrayed in a vicious and demeaning manner? does it promote this behaviour in the real world? no, it's part of an accepted dramatic genre – you know, something that is staged, not real – and people take it as such. you know, like people do when they watch scorsese gangster flicks, or highly ironic and humorous tv shows. the mafia doesn't owe its existence or its recruitment numbers to fucking television, dilbert. that's not how organized crime works ffs. next you'll be telling me that the cartels have received 1000s of applicants after 'narcos' aired.

crime has been a perennial interest. i've said it several times. people's fascination with criminals is no different to fascination with pirates or bandits, centuries ago. i guess walter scott was a sad promoter of violence when he wrote those historical adventure novels, eh? and robin hood is nothing but the promotion of wanton crime!

get a fucking grip. you're a grown man mewling about a tv drama from 20 years ago. there have been no 'sopranos shootings' (didn't someone shoot up a movie theatre after seeing a batman movie?). it is pure conjecture on your part, based no doubt on some hidden personal animus against organized crime. let me guess: it affected you personally at some point, hence the moral crusade.

very, very tiresome stuff.



iT's jUst sO viOlenT!!

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can you believe this cheap and tawdry nonsense? poorly written glorification of privileged psychopaths.



we have to ban this stuff before it poisons the minds of the public!
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Incorrect, routine glorification of low-level criminal violence is a relatively recent phenomenon.
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dickens portrayed the criminal underworld of victorian london ...

people have been talking about the theatre, novels, film, television, games, etc, 'corrupting' people since the time of Plato.
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But did he glorify it?

He portrayed the protagonists as scum didn't he?
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uziq
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tony soprano is portrayed as a sociopath. he's in therapy ffs. he is deeply unwell and deeply unhappy.

where is all this 'glorification' coming from? oh wait, you haven't seen it.

and no, dickens didn't dismiss the underworld as 'scum'. many of his most iconic and well-liked characters come from criminal circles or the underworld. and victorian writers had much more of a 'duty' towards something like public morality, which wasn't necessarily a good thing, either.

you're tacitly in support of censorship.

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