SuperJail Warden
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After the attacks in Paris and Brussels, it is evident there are going to be continued large terrorist attacks in Europe and maybe in the U.S. What ideas do you have to stop this? Should we maybe just make peace with ISIS? Stop bombing, let Muslims give up citizenship and go, and have our hostages released? It may not be the glorious thing to do but it will save innocent western lives.
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uziq
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how exactly do you make peace with ISIS? you seem fundamentally to misunderstand the goals and nature of ISIS. they are not the islamic version of israel, simply wanting their own territory in which to practice their faith and consolidate a new nation. they are not kurdistan. you can't make peace with ISIS. it isn't even a functioning or official state that the bureaucratic apparatus can engage with. do you really think radicalised young muslims will stop committing terrorist atrocities if we reach an 'official' rapprochement with ISIS? what am i even reading.
SuperJail Warden
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ISIS isn't just people riding around on trucks. They administer their territory very well. They provide services and rebuild infrastructure. They have an official press office a command structure, regional offices, a bank etc.. They are no more disorganized than Hezbollah. It is something we should at least try.
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uziq
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actually they do not administer their territory very well. perhaps they did in the earliest phases of the regime, but not any longer. they are in serious disarray and there is absolutely no diplomatic gain to be made by 'negotiating' with them. they were a bunch of cowboys living out their repressed fantasies in the first place – now the honeymoon is over. perhaps hezbollah wouldn't be any better at governing a state, but i don't see what that has to do with anything.

... Similar things are happening elsewhere in the region: people who have been smuggled out of Mosul say that the caliphate is buckling under military and economic pressure. Its enemies have captured Sinjar, Ramadi and Tikrit in Iraq and the YPG and the Syrian army are driving it back in Syria and are closing in on Raqqa. The ground forces attacking IS – the YPG, the Syrian army, Iraqi armed forces and Peshmerga – are all short of manpower (in the struggle for Ramadi the Iraqi military assault force numbered only 500 men), but they can call in devastating air strikes on any IS position. Since it was defeated at Kobani, IS has avoided set-piece battles and has not fought to the last man to defend any of its cities, though it has considered doing so in Raqqa and Mosul. The Pentagon, the Iraqi government and the Kurds exaggerate the extent of their victories over IS, but it is taking heavy losses and is isolated from the outside world with the loss of its last link to Turkey. The administrative and economic infrastructure of the caliphate is beginning to break under the strain of bombing and blockade. This is the impression given by people who left Mosul in early February and took refuge in Rojava.

Their journey wasn’t easy, since IS prohibits people from leaving the caliphate – it doesn’t want a mass exodus. Those who have got out report that IS is becoming more violent in enforcing fatwas and religious regulations. Ahmad, a 35-year-old trader from the al-Zuhour district of Mosul, where he owns a small shop, reported that ‘if somebody is caught who has shaved off his beard, he is given thirty lashes, while last year they would just arrest him for a few hours.’ The treatment of women in particular has got worse: ‘IS insists on women wearing veils, socks, gloves and loose or baggy clothes and, if she does not, the man with her will be lashed.’ Ahmad also said that living conditions have deteriorated sharply and the actions of IS officials become more arbitrary: ‘They take food without paying and confiscated much of my stock under the pretence of supporting the Islamic State militiamen. Everything is expensive and the stores are half-empty. The markets were crowded a year ago, but not for the last ten months because so many people have fled and those that have stayed are unemployed.’ There has been no mains electricity for seven months and everybody depends on private generators which run on locally refined fuel. This is available everywhere, but is expensive and of such poor quality that it works only for generators and not for cars – and the generators often break down. There is a shortage of drinking water. ‘Every ten days, we have water for two hours,’ Ahmad said. ‘The water we get from the tap is not clean, but we have to drink it.’ There is no mobile phone network and the internet is available only in internet cafés that are closely monitored by the authorities for sedition. There are signs of growing criminality and corruption, though this may mainly be evidence that IS is in desperate need of money. When Ahmad decided to flee he contacted one of many smugglers operating in the area between Mosul and the Syrian frontier. He said the cost for each individual smuggled into Rojava is between $400 and $500. ‘Many of the smugglers are IS men,’ he said, but he didn’t know whether the organisation’s leaders knew what was happening. They certainly know that there are increasing complaints about living conditions because they have cited a hadith, a saying of the Prophet, against such complaints. Those who violate the hadith are arrested and sent for re-education. Ahmad’s conclusion: ‘Dictators become very violent when they sense that their end is close.’
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n05/patrick-co … -caliphate

it really sounds like an excellently administered state.

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SuperJail Warden
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Got any other ideas as to how to stop these terrorist bombings or can we at least try stopping the airstrikes?

You should come up with something. You have a chance of being killed when they bomb London.

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Cybargs
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Got any other ideas as to how to stop these terrorist bombings or can we at least try stopping the airstrikes?

You should come up with something. You have a chance of being killed when they bomb London.
I'm sure the people at GCHQ and MoD have figured something out.
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uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Got any other ideas as to how to stop these terrorist bombings or can we at least try stopping the airstrikes?

You should come up with something. You have a chance of being killed when they bomb London.
why would we stop the airstrikes? what will it do to stop terrorism? i don't understand how you think terrorism works. terrorists are not mercenaries sent on missions because we are attacking the 'islamic state'. it's the flimsiest pretext.
SuperJail Warden
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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Got any other ideas as to how to stop these terrorist bombings or can we at least try stopping the airstrikes?

You should come up with something. You have a chance of being killed when they bomb London.
why would we stop the airstrikes? what will it do to stop terrorism? i don't understand how you think terrorism works. terrorists are not mercenaries sent on missions because we are attacking the 'islamic state'. it's the flimsiest pretext.
huh? The ISIS terror attacks in the west started as a response to the the U.S. airstrikes in Iraq. The attacks have been getting worse and more frequent. as the IS started to lose territory. The Paris attack and probably this one was coordinated from Syria. It is obvious that the airstrikes are provoking a response. They even say it is revenge for airstrikes.
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uziq
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and you think terrorist attacks will cease if we placate ISIS? uuuuum. ISIS is just the latest vehicle in a long parade.
SuperJail Warden
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Large sophisticated ones coming from people returning from ISIS territory like the Paris and now Brussels attack? Yeah those would probably stop. Remember when Spain withdrew from Iraq coalition after the Madrid bombing? Hasn't been a terrorist attack in Spain since.
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uziq
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that's where we disagree. i don't think they would stop. terrorism has just stepped up to another level of sophistication and organisation now. i don't think ISIS as an actual political entity in the middle east has much to do with it. loose borders and plenty of funding, sure, but i think the secondary networks of internet-based radicalism and the home-grown disaffected have enough momentum of their own.
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

Large sophisticated ones coming from people returning from ISIS territory like the Paris and now Brussels attack? Yeah those would probably stop. Remember when Spain withdrew from Iraq coalition after the Madrid bombing? Hasn't been a terrorist attack in Spain since.
What makes any of this sophisticated? The key piece of tech here is having someone willing\convinced to blow themselves up.
Jay
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They're desperate. It's why they're lashing out with suicide bombers. They're all people who traveled to Syria. Need to stop letting them loose in society when they return.
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Cybargs
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Jay wrote:

They're desperate. It's why they're lashing out with suicide bombers. They're all people who traveled to Syria. Need to stop letting them loose in society when they return.
Europe has more of a problem due to fluid borders but none of the fighters that returned to aus weren't met with prosecution and continued surveillance.
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Dilbert_X
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You're all looking at the symptoms and immediate quick fixes.

The underlying issues need to be addressed.

The Islamics are convinced terrorism works.
The jews taught the muslims that terrorism gets results - you want your own state to practice your weird apartheid cult? Terrorism will deliver it to you. Slaughter who you like, steal what you want, its yours for the taking.
This worked fine for the jews in Palestine, and the Taliban in Afghanistan, neither country having oil so no-one cares, and neither indigenous population having the strength or aggression or organisation to resist.

Violence and aggression are normal parts of the political process.
America and other nations have used bombs and bullets to get their way in the world for the last 60 years, often in purely ideological wars, why is anyone surprised other people try it?
Look at Trump's antics, blanket statements based on ignorance and brutal policies are the norm now, the average person has absorbed this.

Asymmetric warfare works.
America was fought to costly stalemates in Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and isn't doing great in Syria. America can't win, the Islamics can't lose.

Their mistake has been to assume they can take over the world.
Our mistake has been to let them migrate by the millions.

From this point there is going to be no easy win, not with the steady radicalisation of 2nd and 3rd generation migrants, plus obviously those who got on a refugee boat straight from fighting in Syria or Libya.

Imposing a a reasonable solution on Palestine might take away some of the poison, probably too little too late now.
We're stuck with intelligence lead policing of people whose identity, nationality and background we don't even know.

Thank you Blair, Bush and Merkel, not forgetting Netanyahu and those who went before you - we're stuck with your shit now.
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uziq
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Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

They're desperate. It's why they're lashing out with suicide bombers. They're all people who traveled to Syria. Need to stop letting them loose in society when they return.
Europe has more of a problem due to fluid borders but none of the fighters that returned to aus weren't met with prosecution and continued surveillance.
Australia is an island in the middle of nowhere on the other side of the world. to get from the levant or Asia Minor to Europe is like taking your dog for a walk. but GG the Australian state you guys rule.
Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

You're all looking at the symptoms and immediate quick fixes.

The underlying issues need to be addressed.

The Islamics are convinced terrorism works.
The jews taught the muslims that terrorism gets results - you want your own state to practice your weird apartheid cult? Terrorism will deliver it to you. Slaughter who you like, steal what you want, its yours for the taking.
This worked fine for the jews in Palestine, and the Taliban in Afghanistan, neither country having oil so no-one cares, and neither indigenous population having the strength or aggression or organisation to resist.

Violence and aggression are normal parts of the political process.
America and other nations have used bombs and bullets to get their way in the world for the last 60 years, often in purely ideological wars, why is anyone surprised other people try it?
Look at Trump's antics, blanket statements based on ignorance and brutal policies are the norm now, the average person has absorbed this.

Asymmetric warfare works.
America was fought to costly stalemates in Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and isn't doing great in Syria. America can't win, the Islamics can't lose.

Their mistake has been to assume they can take over the world.
Our mistake has been to let them migrate by the millions.

From this point there is going to be no easy win, not with the steady radicalisation of 2nd and 3rd generation migrants, plus obviously those who got on a refugee boat straight from fighting in Syria or Libya.

Imposing a a reasonable solution on Palestine might take away some of the poison, probably too little too late now.
We're stuck with intelligence lead policing of people whose identity, nationality and background we don't even know.

Thank you Blair, Bush and Merkel, not forgetting Netanyahu and those who went before you - we're stuck with your shit now.
yes all the jews fault. no space for the muzzies right.
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SuperJail Warden
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He is right though. We sided with 5 million Israelites over the entire Muslim world and are paying for it. Israel's days are numbered anyway but they will try to take everyone down with them.
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Cybargs
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

He is right though. We sided with 5 million Israelites over the entire Muslim world and are paying for it. Israel's days are numbered anyway but they will try to take everyone down with them.
Naw, the shia/sunni will end up trying to kill each other anyway. Muslims end up killing more muslims than any other group.
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Dilbert_X
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Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

He is right though. We sided with 5 million Israelites over the entire Muslim world and are paying for it. Israel's days are numbered anyway but they will try to take everyone down with them.
Naw, the shia/sunni will end up trying to kill each other anyway. Muslims end up killing more muslims than any other group.
Which won't affect us so so what?

The Shia/Sunni antagonism has been fanned to distract the region from Israel and the West.
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Cybargs
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

He is right though. We sided with 5 million Israelites over the entire Muslim world and are paying for it. Israel's days are numbered anyway but they will try to take everyone down with them.
Naw, the shia/sunni will end up trying to kill each other anyway. Muslims end up killing more muslims than any other group.
Which won't affect us so so what?

The Shia/Sunni antagonism has been fanned to distract the region from Israel and the West.
I highly doubt the west's support of israel will stifle any terror attacks.

Not like Belgium or France are the best mates of Israel now innit. There's a lot more to it than that.
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SuperJail Warden
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Does anyone here support an independent Kurdish state? I think it is a horrible idea.
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Dilbert_X
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Don't worry people, Turks are about to be given free access to the whole of Europe.
That will work out just great.
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SuperJail Warden
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In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea to let all those poor Arabs into Europe. Thank god the U.S. has an ocean between us and the Muslim world. We have to deal with poor south Americans but at least they don't blow up places and their women put out.
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SuperJail Warden
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(CNN)U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter announced Monday the United States will send 217 additional troops to Iraq to serve as advisers and trainers.

They will also offer aviation support and provide force protection, Carter said, during an unannounced visit to Iraq.
The U.S. will additionally provide Army Apache attack helicopters -- something the U.S. had been pushing for months in the face of resistance from the Iraqi government.

The new forces, which will raise the U.S. troop presence in Iraq to more than 4,000, will be allowed to advise at the battalion and brigade level, rather than be restricted to the division level, Carter said, which means they are closer to the front lines and at greater risk.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/18/politics/ … rter-iraq/

Great news. Hopefully this is the beginning of a large build up of American forces in Iraq. It is too bad only ISIS will be targeted though. The Syrian government needs to be overthrown.
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