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uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

you took government handout money, hardly 'busting your ass off' to get where you are.

i always find your attitude one of the most troubling - it's the complacency and lack of self-honesty. it's so venal and sordid, the way people like you take advantage of every public funding scheme and big government policy there is going, and then wish to pull the ladder up after you, or else yank it from beneath someone else's feet. you are a narrow and limited egotist; the "all my success comes from my virtues, everyone else deserves their failures" school of thinking.

I took government handout money? I volunteered to serve in my country's military. What the hell have you ever done for anyone but yourself?

yeah okay jay, you joined the military out of honour and altruism, to 'help other people'. who did you functionally help? this egotistical revisionism would almost be plausible if it weren't for the fact you've openly said here before, in a more candid mood, that you joined the military because you were a directionless drop-out by the time you got to your mid-20's. the get-rich-quick scheme of being an IT drone didn't work for you, and your parents were obviously sick of having you hanging around the house. so you joined the military, to get on the biggest organised work-and-welfare scheme in the western world, and acquire some discipline. that's not exactly a bad or silly choice, but stop making out you're a self-made ur-libertarian or some echt-galt on a triumphal lap of the race of life.

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uziq wrote:

same thing always with you. you worked hard and earned everything you have. you didn't join the military out of self-interest or take grants because they were merely convenient. it was all serving a higher, noble purpose. you were practically being heroic. oh and everyone else deserves their lot. you take no pity on anyone who doesn't improve themselves through self-reliance and initiative. lol.

I was raised to be a soldier. I grew up on war stories, I wore my father's and grandfather's medals on my jacket. I played army in the woods near my house, pretending to defend my hometown from a Soviet invasion. I wore camouflage for nearly every Halloween. I was that kid, probably more like war man or sh1fty than not. When I was in middle school I was bullied because even though i was bigger than nearly everyone, I didn't know how to fight and so I would refuse. I'd get called a pussy or a coward. It stuck with me. When I was in high school I played football, I wrestled and I played lacrosse so I could show how tough I really was. I played through broken bones and concussions. So, when I dropped out of college after 1.5 semesters it was naturally the next step in my quest to prove that I wasn't, in fact, a coward. I had other justifications, college money, learning a career, but the real reason wasn't rational, it was naked insecurity. The rest of it? I didn't know the first thing about politics when I left high school. I was a jock. Republicans were angry old men and Democrats were the good guys. I voted for Gore. Rational self-interest never involved itself in my decision to join the military, only in my backwards looking revisionism after the fact.

So there you go. I served my country, I defended my family, and I didn't run in combat. What have you done?

suvivorship bias

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

same thing always with you. you worked hard and earned everything you have. you didn't join the military out of self-interest or take grants because they were merely convenient. it was all serving a higher, noble purpose. you were practically being heroic. oh and everyone else deserves their lot. you take no pity on anyone who doesn't improve themselves through self-reliance and initiative. lol.

I was raised to be a soldier. I grew up on war stories, I wore my father's and grandfather's medals on my jacket. I played army in the woods near my house, pretending to defend my hometown from a Soviet invasion. I wore camouflage for nearly every Halloween. I was that kid, probably more like war man or sh1fty than not. When I was in middle school I was bullied because even though i was bigger than nearly everyone, I didn't know how to fight and so I would refuse. I'd get called a pussy or a coward. It stuck with me. When I was in high school I played football, I wrestled and I played lacrosse so I could show how tough I really was. I played through broken bones and concussions. So, when I dropped out of college after 1.5 semesters it was naturally the next step in my quest to prove that I wasn't, in fact, a coward. I had other justifications, college money, learning a career, but the real reason wasn't rational, it was naked insecurity. The rest of it? I didn't know the first thing about politics when I left high school. I was a jock. Republicans were angry old men and Democrats were the good guys. I voted for Gore. Rational self-interest never involved itself in my decision to join the military, only in my backwards looking revisionism after the fact.

So there you go. I served my country, I defended my family, and I didn't run in combat. What have you done?

LOL OK, your delusions are becoming more and more grandiose.

Why did you really drop out of college and join the Army Jay?
If you'd been brave you could have simply walked into a bank and negotiated a loan to pay for college. What was scary about that?
You joined a rear echelon signals unit IIRC, not a frontline combat unit, this new explanation doesn't really fly. You didn't serve anyone or defend anything, the US military is used to recycle tax money and advance America's economic interests and you know it perfectly well.

Are you the same Jay Galt who disobeyed a direct order from an officer and ran away as soon as the siren went off? That's what you wrote in your memoir.

Are you the same Jay Galt who used personal contacts and dropped hints about his military career to get his first job, and then left as soon as better pay was offered elsewhere?

I think you're trying to re-rationalise your last re-rationalisation, which post-dates the one before, your ideology and recollection is plastic and moulded to suit whatever circumstance you're in, and remoulded to suit whatever circumstance you were in in the past.
The sooner you get to grips with your own psychology the better IMO, I mean this honestly.
In the meantime pissing on people who don't measure up to your own invented stellar history doesn't make for a good look.

Since you ask, what have I done?

I got through one of the hardest 'proper' engineering courses in the world and graduated age 20, looking back there was a huge difference between me at 18 and 25, at 25 it would have been a doddle, as a depressed teenager (without even a single kilo of cocaine to my name) it was pretty hard. Mine was the final year for which it was a three-year course, thereafter it was four years with an essentially unchanged syllabus. I didn't do it the modern way, 2-3 subjects per semester. I did 9-10 subjects a year with all the exams crammed into 10 days - invariably hay-fever time. What did you achieve age 20 Jay?

Age 21 I was shooting for my region, age 24 I was shooting for England, 25 I was on the British Olympic squad. Shooting is basically a nerve sport - lapses show up clearly. It isn't actually difficult, anyone can do it with minimal effort, not everyone will manage even minimal application or can hold their nerve under pressure.

You want a military background? My grandfather was evacuated from Dunkirk, was a Desert Rat, fought through Italy and finished the war a Lt-Colonel. My father accompanied the SAS on anti-terrorist raids and did tours triple the length of the military he was working with. After one post his house really was mortared, various colleagues were shot by the IRA, I had a childhood of checking the car for bombs. I came close to doing something stupid like joining the Paras after university, my father convinced me not to. I did join the TAVR to do something positive, it was so fucked up I was out after six months - having never even been properly inducted. (It was an Engineers regiment, you know the guys who go ahead of the combat troops, shame it didn't work out)

That and working in four different industries, paying my parents living costs for 10 years and dealing with a ton of nasty shit to boot, I don't feel too bad, and think I measure up even to your imagined track record well enough.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2015-10-13 02:46:25)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

same thing always with you. you worked hard and earned everything you have. you didn't join the military out of self-interest or take grants because they were merely convenient. it was all serving a higher, noble purpose. you were practically being heroic. oh and everyone else deserves their lot. you take no pity on anyone who doesn't improve themselves through self-reliance and initiative. lol.

I was raised to be a soldier. I grew up on war stories, I wore my father's and grandfather's medals on my jacket. I played army in the woods near my house, pretending to defend my hometown from a Soviet invasion. I wore camouflage for nearly every Halloween. I was that kid, probably more like war man or sh1fty than not. When I was in middle school I was bullied because even though i was bigger than nearly everyone, I didn't know how to fight and so I would refuse. I'd get called a pussy or a coward. It stuck with me. When I was in high school I played football, I wrestled and I played lacrosse so I could show how tough I really was. I played through broken bones and concussions. So, when I dropped out of college after 1.5 semesters it was naturally the next step in my quest to prove that I wasn't, in fact, a coward. I had other justifications, college money, learning a career, but the real reason wasn't rational, it was naked insecurity. The rest of it? I didn't know the first thing about politics when I left high school. I was a jock. Republicans were angry old men and Democrats were the good guys. I voted for Gore. Rational self-interest never involved itself in my decision to join the military, only in my backwards looking revisionism after the fact.

So there you go. I served my country, I defended my family, and I didn't run in combat. What have you done?

LOL OK, your delusions are becoming more and more grandiose.

Why did you really drop out of college and join the Army Jay?
If you'd been brave you could have simply walked into a bank and negotiated a loan to pay for college. What was scary about that?
You joined a rear echelon signals unit IIRC, not a frontline combat unit, this new explanation doesn't really fly. You didn't serve anyone or defend anything, the US military is used to recycle tax money and advance America's economic interests and you know it perfectly well.

Are you the same Jay Galt who disobeyed a direct order from an officer and ran away as soon as the siren went off? That's what you wrote in your memoir.

Are you the same Jay Galt who used personal contacts and dropped hints about his military career to get his first job, and then left as soon as better pay was offered elsewhere?

I think you're trying to re-rationalise your last re-rationalisation, which post-dates the one before, your ideology and recollection is plastic and moulded to suit whatever circumstance you're in, and remoulded to suit whatever circumstance you were in in the past.
The sooner you get to grips with your own psychology the better IMO, I mean this honestly.
In the meantime pissing on people who don't measure up to your own invented stellar history doesn't make for a good look.

Since you ask, what have I done?

I got through one of the hardest 'proper' engineering courses in the world and graduated age 20, looking back there was a huge difference between me at 18 and 25, at 25 it would have been a doddle, as a depressed teenager (without even a single kilo of cocaine to my name) it was pretty hard. Mine was the final year for which it was a three-year course, thereafter it was four years with an essentially unchanged syllabus. I didn't do it the modern way, 2-3 subjects per semester. I did 9-10 subjects a year with all the exams crammed into 10 days - invariably hay-fever time. What did you achieve age 20 Jay?

Age 21 I was shooting for my region, age 24 I was shooting for England, 25 I was on the British Olympic squad. Shooting is basically a nerve sport - lapses show up clearly. It isn't actually difficult, anyone can do it with minimal effort, not everyone will manage even minimal application or can hold their nerve under pressure.

You want a military background? My grandfather was evacuated from Dunkirk, was a Desert Rat, fought through Italy and finished the war a Lt-Colonel. My father accompanied the SAS on anti-terrorist raids and did tours triple the length of the military he was working with. After one post his house really was mortared, various colleagues were shot by the IRA, I had a childhood of checking the car for bombs. I came close to doing something stupid like joining the Paras after university, my father convinced me not to. I did join the TAVR to do something positive, it was so fucked up I was out after six months - having never even been properly inducted. (It was an Engineers regiment, you know the guys who go ahead of the combat troops, shame it didn't work out)

That and working in four different industries, paying my parents living costs for 10 years and dealing with a ton of nasty shit to boot, I don't feel too bad, and think I measure up even to your imagined track record well enough.

I did my engineering degree in 3 years. 158 credits, 3 years. 20-21 credits per semester (5-7 courses), a winter course every break, four courses every summer. Not impressed.

My Swedish grandfather was drafted, served through north Africa, Italy and czechoslovakia with the 69th Infantry Division as a medic. My German grandfather volunteered, served on Patton's staff as an interpreter, and was promoted to Major so he could help prosecute Nazi at Nuremberg. My father was a Ranger in Vietnam. He was a troubled teenager who ran away from home at 16, got dragged back hy his father and had a recruiter falsify his birth certificate so he could volunteer. Ended up with two purple hearts and a bronze star.

I was rear echelon, yes, in a normal war. There was no rear in Iraq, except maybe down by Basra where the Brits were. Getting talked out of going infantry is one of my only regrets. Alas. I still daydream about going back in as an infantry officer if my marriage craters, but I'm getting a bit old now.

Anyway, I couldn't care less about your life, you're just some weird guy who needs attention, my post was directed at uzi.

The fuck is going on in here? Take it to the self-inflated autobiography thread.

Yeah, I remember something about that. I think it got lost somewhere in Jay tearfully holding his right hand over his heart and waxing nostalgic for his troubled past while kicking homeless, jobless people in the shins and accusing articles about poverty of tugging at our vulnerable heartstrings.

Earlier this year...

Isn't H1B also kind of the US Chamber of Commerce's darling atm?

i like to lock step and click two heels as I reminisce about my war hero relatives.  It really does give me a sense of purpose.  My Anglo-German Grandfather did something or other (did I mention he was Anglo-German) in the Navy and fought in like 3 wars and a military conflict (I'm looking at you, Korea).  My Italian Grandfather lived the American Dream.  Came to the US as an (Italian!!!!) immigrant in the early 1900's, was discriminated against like ATG calls out Mexicans today, managed to pull himself up by the bootstraps and work for the railroad while raising 7 children before going off and fighting in the trenches in WW2.  And by trenches I mean he was a cook in the Army, and I'm not sure if he even went overseas.  I salute you, Anglo-German and Italian Grandfathers. Guten tag and Arrivederci!

my grandad fucked a whole lot of women and ate fois gras as he sent your pathetic relatives to die for him and his pals. they thought it would be funny.

p.s. engineering isn't even a real degree

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

So how about that Toys R' Us and other companies taking advantage of the H1B visa program to offshore labor?  I heard that's pretty fucked up.

Dilbert_X wrote:

If a Malaysian company wants to build a factory or buy machinery the govt pays half - how do you suggest competing with that?

Chinese companies are given free land, free money, almost free labour and free intel on their Western competitors secrets - Suggestions?

Should our governments be assisting corporations in moving jobs to these places when their governments are assisting their companies to take these jobs? They understand that having industries and jobs is important to economies, as we follow retarded theories which say they don't matter.
They must laugh their asses off that dumbos like you believe in this.

I don't understand Jay, in one breath he says he signed up to 'defend America' to his last breath, in the next he says its OK to ship jobs and wealth and know-how to the country the US lost two proxy wars against  (except the Chinese weren't dumb enough to do much fighting themselves.) and which is waging and winning an economic war.

There's always someone who profits from a real war, the same people are profiting from this economic war - skimming off their 10% as the foot-soldiers fight and die.
In both cases they brainwash the grunts to believe they're doing the right thing ideologically speaking - when they get the bullet in the chest or the redundancy notice its too late.

Jay's been brainwashed twice now - or is it once and he never learned?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2015-10-14 03:46:51)

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