Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5359|London, England
ok
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+682|6292|Washington St.
There's plenty of retards that have no clue whats going on.

The rest of us wonder whats going to happen when a VERY conservative judge gets into the SC.

Or how much roll-backing a republican house/senate/potus are going to do. People keep saying 8 years, why not go back 50 years? There's plenty of conservative issues they've been waiting to undo but haven't had the opportunity.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+635|3721

pirana6 wrote:

There's plenty of retards that have no clue whats going on.

The rest of us wonder whats going to happen when a VERY conservative judge gets into the SC.

Or how much roll-backing a republican house/senate/potus are going to do. People keep saying 8 years, why not go back 50 years? There's plenty of conservative issues they've been waiting to undo but haven't had the opportunity.
I am dreading the repeal of the affordable care act. I am worried that caps on coverage are going to be put back in place so once a person has a heart attack their insurance can cut them off and they get a $200,000 bill like the good old days.
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6776|Moscow, Russia

SuperJail Warden wrote:

majority

SuperJail Warden wrote:

majority

SuperJail Warden wrote:

majority
stop it already, clinton got something like 0.2% over trump. they are almost even, that's why other factors kicked in.
and again, last time we discussed this "democracy" of yours, you were saying that "tyranny of the majority" was a big no-no. what, now that you are not getting it the way you like it, it's not?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

18th century election system
whoa! are you suggesting your democracy-schtick doesn't work after all?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6694
LoL
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6776|Moscow, Russia
uh-huh. i'm also laughing here at the butthurt clinton supporters who, i'd bet you anything, if it was she who won by electoral votes against popular majority, would be praising  that "18th century election system" like it was the best thing under the sun.

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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
uziq
Member
+492|3453
god is it tedious having a russian around. complaining about the electoral college almost seems quaint in comparison to a russian election.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6776|Moscow, Russia
you again? what does russian elections has to do with anything like anything this thread is supposed to be about?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+635|3721

uziq wrote:

god is it tedious having a russian around.
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pirana6
Go Cougs!
+682|6292|Washington St.
we're fucked up be we aren't the most fucked up in the world
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5359|London, England
I like it here
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6776|Noizyland

War Man wrote:

Ty wrote:

This is going to be an interesting few months.
Didn't you think Trump was going to lose? How do you feel now?
I don't believe I ever made a prediction. Now I feel like my trust in rationality and logic have taken a hit but it's not as if that hasn't happened before. Ultimately it's not my problem anyway.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6776|Moscow, Russia

pirana6 wrote:

we're fucked up be we aren't the most fucked up in the world
now, that donald trump is your president, i'm not sure.

could have been worse though.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
pirana6
Go Cougs!
+682|6292|Washington St.

Ty wrote:

War Man wrote:

Ty wrote:

This is going to be an interesting few months.
Didn't you think Trump was going to lose? How do you feel now?
I don't believe I ever made a prediction. Now I feel like my trust in rationality and logic have taken a hit but it's not as if that hasn't happened before. Ultimately it's not my problem anyway.
Trump said his first day in office he was going to "find" oil in NZ. Annexation incoming.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+635|3721

pirana6 wrote:

Ty wrote:

War Man wrote:


Didn't you think Trump was going to lose? How do you feel now?
I don't believe I ever made a prediction. Now I feel like my trust in rationality and logic have taken a hit but it's not as if that hasn't happened before. Ultimately it's not my problem anyway.
Trump said his first day in office he was going to "find" oil in NZ. Annexation incoming.
Major Foreign policy win for Trump if we annex Australia.
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uziq
Member
+492|3453
There are good reasons for the seemingly irrational fixation on where you happen to be born. Geography matters because, as the economist Branko Milanović has shown, the best predictor of your income is not your race or class but your birthplace. Trump was, for once, speaking the truth. Where in the early 19th century only 20 per cent of global inequality was owed to the difference between countries, from the mid-20th century onwards ‘the place where we were born or where we live’ has determined ‘as much as two-thirds of our lifetime income’. However, although location has been the chief determinant of global income differentials for half a century, during the past twenty years, and most especially since 2008, the balance has shifted. There have been substantial increases in real income for the top 1 per cent and also for the middle 50 per cent of the global population, but little or no gains for those in the 75th to 90th percentiles. Given that those percentiles represent most of the population of Western Europe, North America and Japan, the data appears to confirm what many suspected: the top 1 per cent of the global population has enriched itself by organising the transfer of production away from the old industrial nations to middle-income countries on their periphery and in Asia.

These shifts in global inequality explain a lot about the changing nature of political struggle over the past two hundred years: the class politics of the 19th century and the anti-colonial struggles of the 20th, but also the current rise in populist and nationalist movements in Europe and the US. At a time when the long heralded decline of the West is finally becoming an objective reality, the ‘lower middle class of the rich world’ stands in an ambiguous position. Geography still counts for almost everything, and in global terms that class consists of privileged rentiers living well on what Milanović calls ‘citizenship rent’ (the increased income you get from doing the same job in one country rather than another). But if these trends continue, citizenship rents will decline further, and citizenship itself will be devalued as an asset.

This helps to explain why citizenship has suddenly gained more salience than class. Class differences within countries explain very little when it comes to global inequality. So potential gains from intranational class equalisation would be quite modest compared to the possible losses from levelling the playing field between countries. That is why freedom of movement was such an issue in the Brexit referendum, and why Trump’s call to build a wall along the Mexican border is intelligible to so many. It is perhaps only in this context that the otherwise bizarre phenomenon of ‘birtherism’ makes sense. In a world where geographical location is the best predictor of economic outcomes, being indigenous counts for a lot, and the natural-born citizen clause attached to the presidency of the US provides a model. If the presidency is not open to immigrants, why should other jobs be?

Of course, the new nativism feeds off ingrained forms of racial prejudice. But it is conceptually distinct, not least because in terms of global income distribution race is (as would-be migrants are well aware) far less predictive than location. You don’t have to be a racist to be a xenophobe, for as Levinas commented in an essay on Heidegger, ‘attachment to place’ is itself a ‘splitting of humanity into natives and strangers’. What makes the current moment unique is that the ontological decline of the West has fallen into step with the decline in income differentials, and attachment to place isn’t just a matter of becoming indigenous and making yourself at home in the world, but of stubborn attachment to a particular position in the global economic order. For anyone living in the West who is not in the highest 1 per cent of global income, there is an economic incentive to think in Heideggerian terms; to stand firm on native soil and claim citizenship rent.

When Heidegger realised that the Nazis were going to be less receptive to ‘spiritual National Socialism’ than he had hoped, he gradually retreated from the political fray. But he nevertheless vowed to ‘remain in the invisible front of the secret spiritual Germany’, one of ‘the future ones’ who would stand ‘simply, silently, relentlessly and deeply rooted’, preparing the transition to the other beginning. The future he anticipated is now. Whole nations are acknowledging their plight and waiting to see if greatness will be thrust upon them.
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uziq
Member
+492|3453

Shahter wrote:

you again? what does russian elections has to do with anything like anything this thread is supposed to be about?
hello, mr 'i call hillary multiple sclerosis queen and trump spongebob but don't mean to infer MS is an insult or smear'.

you're in a thread called 'presidential election', about the US election. it stands to reason that a russian critiquing the US electoral process can expect an american to critique the russian process.

glad we cleared this up. anything else that confuses your borscht-riddled muzhik mind, let me know!

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Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6776|Moscow, Russia
name of the thread: Presidential Election 2016.

if i'm not mistaken, there's no presidential election in russia in 2016.

so, fuck off already if you have nothing to say on topic, would you kindly. you are perfectly welcome to... ummm... "critique" russia, borsch, what-other-russian-word you decide to pull from wherever you are getting them from, in another thread, pm even, maybe i'll even reply, but this thread i open to discuss stuff it was created for.

good evening.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
uziq
Member
+492|3453
shahter, you've come into this thread and made several asinine, sniping remarks. as soon as anyone trains the sight back on you, you give this, 'who, me?' act and pretend you're flummoxed that anyone would be so bold to reverse your comments back at you.

fuck off. you are a tedious bore.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|6776|Moscow, Russia
if you simply addressed me or my posts and remarks, we could actually talk. but you are not "training sight on me", personally - you are talking about things for which i'm not responsible in any way, and trying to make it look like it makes an argument.

it doesn't. i never said anything about russian alection in this thread - because it off-topic. you don't know anything about my views and opinions on that, so stop trying to make it stick. the way things are in russia has no bearing whatsoever on what's going on in united states.

so, as i said, take it elsewhere.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+635|3721
Of god, what a disaster Clinton was as a nominee. Trump has less votes than McCain did in 2008 while Clinton has 10,000,000 fewer Obama voters than he did in 2008. Where did the 10 million Obama voters go?
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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+635|3721
People seriously like Clinton less than this guy
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6107|eXtreme to the maX

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Where did the 10 million Obama voters go?
They're sitting on their asses on their porch complaining.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6717
Hillary got fucked by the Bernie supporters who didn't vote. GJ for being dismissive to them media machine.
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Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6717

pirana6 wrote:

There's plenty of retards that have no clue whats going on.

The rest of us wonder whats going to happen when a VERY conservative judge gets into the SC.

Or how much roll-backing a republican house/senate/potus are going to do. People keep saying 8 years, why not go back 50 years? There's plenty of conservative issues they've been waiting to undo but haven't had the opportunity.
I doubt Roe v Wade or Gay Marriage is ever going to be overturned by SCOTUS.
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