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the reason for medical staff being sensitive about vaccine mandates is because they are often times recovering from recent exposure to covid, i.e. have natural immunity, and the vaccine mandates were not very intelligently thought out with regards to the actual exigencies of their work.

most medical staff complaining about mandates were not voicing skepticism about the utility or effective of the vaccines, tout court.

most public health officials who devise vaccination policy aren't politicians standing for election. bizarre comment.

erm half my family work in the NHS. my aunt is the head of the entire south-west region.

i have literally seen television interviews of ward dr's speaking to politicians and expressing this exact misgiving. that they're not vaccine skeptics but that vaccine mandates are highly inappropriate for a workforce who are basically always de facto immune because of daily exposure, in any case.



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Last edited by uziq (2022-02-17 01:39:15)

this might amaze you but ... covid isn't tetanus OR hepatitis.

it's honestly like wading in mud, talking with you.

the guy literally says: 'i have caught covid, i have high levels of antibodies'.

the only other aim of vaccine mandates is to 'reduce transmission'. at this point in the pandemic, with old vaccine tech versus new strains, the dent in the transmissibility is very low. as he points out, he would have to be boostered once a month to even maintain this extra benefit of vaccination. it doesn't make sense for a person who is constantly exposed to covid, in any case, to be vaccinated once a month for a tiny extra hope of reduced transmission.

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-17 01:55:09)

immunity by osmosis? they get immunity by recovering from covid. they get covid because they work on wards full of it.

are you thick? i never claimed they had magical life-long immunity by osmosis. i would imagine that doctors do have rather more robust immune systems to cold and flu than your average shut-in aussie bf2s poster, however. that's how immune systems generally work.

i said, once again, that SOME medical workers have raised a justified skepticism about vaccine MANDATES, in particular (not being vaccinated tout court), that is, when their own immune systems are constantly exposed to covid, in any case, in their daily work, there are almost no conferred benefits to forcing them to be frequently vaccinated against their will.

i literally said that these aren't the same people who reject vaccination altogether. the vast majority of medical professionals ARE vaccinated and have no problem with it. it's the MANDATES that they must be vaccinated every 2-3 months that there is some justified cavilling over.

the conversation around vaccine mandates will be relevant again when we have the next-gen of vaccines. it's conceivable that an updated set of vaccines could once again make an appreciable dent in transmissibility and asymptomatic carrying of the viruses. at that point vaccines might once again become a front-line tool in lowering the r-number. right now they are not.

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-17 02:11:22)

jesus christ you are fucking so FUCKING THICK.

imagine you are a doctor: (1) you get voluntarily vaccinated as part of your own personal medical care. (2) 4 months later, when at work, you test positive on a routine lateral flow test. you don't have symptoms or bad illness, because you were previously vaccinated, but unfortunately it's waned to such a degree that you're now pervious to breakthrough reinfections. (3) you take the mandatory 10 days off to self-isolate and recover; you now have an increased natural immunity conferred from this period of convalescence. (4) according to the government, who have instituted a generalised rule, all medical workers now have to be boostered every 3 months. this means you must be boostered again, despite having recently been vaccinated AND recently recovering from illness. it's the rules!

... now do you see why they might raise objections to a one-size-fits-all MANDATE system?

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-17 02:12:11)

when did i say vaccines don't wane? oh my fucking god. jesus fucking christ.

the argument for a booster is that it tops you up and stops you from getting seriously sick.

why would i take a booster shot if my conviction was that 'vaccines never wane'? wouldn't i be here, like you, acting puzzled that the first jab i had 18 months ago is no longer sufficient?

we have never achieved stable, long-lasting immunity to a coronavirus. we've never, in fact, been able to devise any treatment that has targeted a highly mutative respiratory illness. the fact that vaccines/boosters post numbers in the 90%+ region for effecitivity is an unprecedented and minor miracle in-itself. never has happened before in the history of medicine. best we could hope for was a yearly retooled flu jab that maybe achieved a 55% hitrate in a good year. here we have boosters that will give you 90%+ protection for 3-4 months. they are quite literally incredible tools.

you're expecting a vaccine to come along that will give you one jab and a lifelong immunity. like tetanus. but coronaviruses aren't tetanus ... i honestly don't know what to say to you. it has been implicitly assumed by medical professionals since the very start of this pandemic that any vaccine would need to be renewed. early pie-in-the-sky thinking hoped we could get 5 years or a couple years of immunity, perhaps. but we have seen that covid mutates far too often for that. that's too bad. BUT, we do still have vaccine tech that has MEASURABLY GOOD effectivity at warding off serious illness and death. the only 'problem' is that we will need an annual shot, or a bi-annual booster. WHAT is the big fucking deal here, dilbert?

2022 will see antiviral pills to take when you're sick and make the illness negligible. we will see new vaccines, with updated and better effectivity. we will even see new forms of administering vaccines coming on-line, such as nasal sprays and arm patches, perhaps. not even any need to go to a medical centre to get pricked by a syringe. this whole 'issue' of vaccines waning is a complete NON-issue for anyone who has ready access to fucking modern medicine.

yep, it is mandatory for a bunch of diseases based on public health grounds.

not sure how well a medical worker could claim liability or sue their employer for getting sick at work on a diseases ward. the UK isn't quite that litigious. medical workers get sick pay and compensation for taking time off.

Last edited by uziq (2022-02-17 05:15:51)

uziq wrote:

yep, it is mandatory for a bunch of diseases based on public health grounds.

not sure how well a medical worker could claim liability or sue their employer for getting sick at work on a diseases ward. the UK isn't quite that litigious. medical workers get sick pay and compensation for taking time off.

unsure about the UK scheme but in aus there's a specific covid worker's compensation scheme and govt fucked the nurses and docs on it. prior to omnicron if you're a doc or nurse, the assumption is that you got it at work and would get comp, now the onus is on nurse or doc to prove they got it from work.

but also the risk of getting an injury via a vaccine is a lot lower than reinfection so... not sure whats the fuss about being fully vacc in all honesty.

>Russia invaded Ukraine because Biden is a weak president.
>Russia invading Ukraine was the right thing to do.

I am sure Newbie will hear those points come out of the same snout soon enough.

They hate the fact that Pluto transitioned.

Every so often I drop into Fox news.

Yesterday "Wait! If we kick Russia out of SWIFT they might stop using the US dollar! That might affect US!"

I'm pretty sure he's talking about the cold war, but that's something millennials have been alive for a particularly stressful period of. I was definitely around for my generation's cuban missile crisis, and in school when the Soviet Union dissolved. "never lived one day under nuclear threat" my left foot. Unhinged Republican.

A conservative boomer acquaintance of mine called it irrational and thought he should fuck off.

It's probably a little myopic to consider the nuclear threat during the cold war, er, "not" or "less" real.

What are you teaching kids. I wonder sometimes.