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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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I can't watch the video right now.

Regarding throwing money at poor communities...it matters a lot how you do it. I love the idea of giving people government jobs if they can't find any other work. That's basically what we did during the Great Depression. That system has its issues but it is better than what we have now.

The cool thing about a government jobs program also is that those jobs tire people out. I mentioned in the other thread it is young guys causing most of the madness. Put a lot of them into blue collar work and they will be too tired to do crime. Make it easy for them to get pot and playstations too.
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,936|5889|USA

tl;dw the video talks about affordable housing nimbyism, non-progressive taxation schemes, and disparity in district and individual school wealth (sometimes within blocks of each other), these within select blue states. I would add to that people saying that we need to improve our mental health infrastructure in the country, but who wants to live near a mental hospital.

"What have Democrat liberals been doing when in power," in response to "the Republicans are blocking progress!" Good points made throughout, that should be made and mulled over.

Dilbert's response without (I guess) having any idea what the discussion is, "we don't need more bureaucrats, and throwing money at poor people won't work!"

Er, a high school should get the same quality structure and funding per student as the high school 10 blocks down the road, or even 10 states over. A point I've made before. That seems only fair. Not emptying cash into a void.

Taxes and fees shouldn't especially punish poor people. It should be easier to get access to affordable housing so people who work in your city don't have to live on its streets.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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I wish I could watch the video.

Anyhow regarding mental health...a big reason a lot of facilities and residential homes were closed because conditions were poor and there was a big change in how we approached long term treatment. Now the objective is to "mainstream" or try to integrate the ill and slow into society as much as possible.

It's a complicated subject. No perfect solutions. Good people will be harmed no matter what we do.
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SuperJail Warden
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https://funvizeo.com/media/memes/c2b105db8e70c973/socialists-understand-prosperity-responsible-communism-b0627c0d8779113e-a5bcc0a5b6913e3f.jpg
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uziq
Member
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affordable housing is really just the crux of it. it's a shame that the banks and their investment wings are so all-in for the property bubble. it's literally in no one's interests to depress the value of housing. except for the vast majority of people who can't afford a home, of course. oops.

you don't have to 'throw money at poor communities', though the effects of good infrastructure, good schools, good hospitals, etc, on a community and their life outcomes has been proven 1,000 times over in every sort of empirical study. investing in communities really does work: maybe not immediately on human behaviour and community culture, but, eventually, it does start giving people a leg up and a stake in society.

you just have to give them a reasonable prospect of owning their own house and establishing some stability and security for their family. you'd be surprised how much that does for people, both on the level of individual psychology (anxiety, anti-social behaviour, etc) and in terms of community. when people are transient, at the whim of asshole landlords/rentiers, and generally dispossessed, they check out. it starts in the home, it extends into school, and follows them all their adult life. being poor is traumatic and humiliating and people will abreact and compensate into things like 'thug life'.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,756|5224|eXtreme to the maX
the effects of good infrastructure, good schools, good hospitals, etc, on a community and their life outcomes has been proven 1,000 times over in every sort of empirical study.
And all the places where people have trashed or burned down all the nice things built for them?

Maybe London should shut down the tube as clearly its not appreciated.

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#Freed Britney !
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,936|5889|USA

That doesn't sound like a real argument.
uziq
Member
+426|2570
oMG graFfiTi. society is doomed!

you are sounding more and more like a grandad on a porch with every passing day. ok boomer.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,936|5889|USA

Imagine someone who might have gone on to cure a horrible disease, but doesn't because of inequality in education meant being assigned to a poorly equipped school, and besides they had to go to work in the evenings to help support their family. Not the best state of affairs for otherwise supporters of technological innovation and salvation to stand behind, just because of graffiti in the subway. "Pah! Poor people won't appreciate it."
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+767|5802|United States of America

uziq wrote:

oMG graFfiTi. society is doomed!

you are sounding more and more like a grandad on a porch with every passing day. ok boomer.
Graffiti? They've got to be dealt with, Frank... If we don't come down hard on these clowns, we are gonna be up to our balls in jugglers.
uziq
Member
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SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+507|2837

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Imagine someone who might have gone on to cure a horrible disease, but doesn't because of inequality in education meant being assigned to a poorly equipped school, and besides they had to go to work in the evenings to help support their family. Not the best state of affairs for otherwise supporters of technological innovation and salvation to stand behind, just because of graffiti in the subway. "Pah! Poor people won't appreciate it."
I had a seminar on restorative justice. They showed us this poem that sometimes flashes into my mind when I am interrogating a student for no uniform or not having a charged Chromebook.
'Cause I Ain't Got a Pencil

I woke myself up

Because we ain't got an alarm clock

Dug in the dirty clothes basket,

Cause ain't nobody washed my uniform

Brushed my hair and teeth in the dark,

Cause the lights ain't on

Even got my baby sister ready,

Cause my mama wasn't home.

Got us both to school on time,

To eat us a good breakfast.

Then when I got to class the teacher fussed

Cause I ain't got no pencil.[
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uziq
Member
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that is not a poem.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+507|2837

uziq wrote:

that is not a poem.
I know it is CRT.
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uziq
Member
+426|2570
a cathode-ray tube? well that makes more sense.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+507|2837
"A group of QAnon and Trump supporters singing a Michael Jackson song in unison while waiting for JFK Jr. in Dallas…"
https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout … singing_a/

I don't know why Newbie is so bothered by this. They seem like a nice bunch of people. Nobody evil could sing a Michael Jackson song.
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